[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
Just pointing out, I don't think it's necessarily Google's problem. It would be on the individual developer level (or on behalf of a group of developers). Google doesn't own the licenses to applications that site is distributing, individual developers do... - Dan On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid apps http://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
This is absolutely Google's problem... Do you think individual developers have the resources to combat piracy? If Google doesn't look after their development community, that community won't persist for very long. On Oct 13, 1:11 pm, Dan Sherman impact...@gmail.com wrote: Just pointing out, I don't think it's necessarily Google's problem. It would be on the individual developer level (or on behalf of a group of developers). Google doesn't own the licenses to applications that site is distributing, individual developers do... - Dan On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid apps http://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
Well this is just great! How should developers attempt to combat this? Does the app copy protection help in any way? How is the owner of this site getting the apps? On Oct 13, 1:00 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid appshttp://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
I'm not a lawyer... But Google has absolutely no right to try to litigate on your behalf. They can't file criminal charges, they would have to file civil charges, but to file a civil charge, the defendant has to be wronged in some way. I understand they could try We've been wronged by you damaging the community in general, but thats shaky ground, its far easier for an individual to prove they've been wronged when that person has actually violated your copyright... Filing a civil suit in small claims court (and lets be honest, with the size of the android market, you're not looking at anything larger than small claims court), its like 50$ at your local court to file a suit, and if you win, you'll get that money back. If you're seriously concerned about the issue, take a stance and file some complaints, don't just say Google, why aren't you doing anything?... A possible example: If you grew fruits, and got a booth at a farmers market, and someone walked up and stole an apple. You wouldn't ask the farmers market to fix it for you, you'd either have to run after the guy, and get the apple back yourself, or sit quietly. - Dan On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Anson Mackeracher amack...@gmail.comwrote: This is absolutely Google's problem... Do you think individual developers have the resources to combat piracy? If Google doesn't look after their development community, that community won't persist for very long. On Oct 13, 1:11 pm, Dan Sherman impact...@gmail.com wrote: Just pointing out, I don't think it's necessarily Google's problem. It would be on the individual developer level (or on behalf of a group of developers). Google doesn't own the licenses to applications that site is distributing, individual developers do... - Dan On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid apps http://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
People with rooted phone buy app, copy package, distribute it Google offers really no package protection On Oct 13, 1:33 pm, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is just great! How should developers attempt to combat this? Does the app copy protection help in any way? How is the owner of this site getting the apps? On Oct 13, 1:00 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid appshttp://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
It was interesting to see someone put request for my app and few days later it's there On Oct 13, 1:39 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: People with rooted phone buy app, copy package, distribute it Google offers really no package protection On Oct 13, 1:33 pm, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is just great! How should developers attempt to combat this? Does the app copy protection help in any way? How is the owner of this site getting the apps? On Oct 13, 1:00 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid appshttp://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
There are many more sites like this. I am a developer and my stuff gets pirated all the time... If google decides to take any actions on those website, here is a list of them: www.hiapk.com www.androidin.net www.android123.com and basically all chinese forums that talks about Android system has some degree of piracy issue =( On Oct 13, 1:39 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: People with rooted phone buy app, copy package, distribute it Google offers really no package protection On Oct 13, 1:33 pm, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is just great! How should developers attempt to combat this? Does the app copy protection help in any way? How is the owner of this site getting the apps? On Oct 13, 1:00 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid appshttp://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
I am not suggesting they go after Chinese web site But I suggest they put good protection for paid apps. I also suggest they officially tell developers it's our own problem so i can plan accordingly On Oct 13, 1:38 pm, Dan Sherman impact...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a lawyer... But Google has absolutely no right to try to litigate on your behalf. They can't file criminal charges, they would have to file civil charges, but to file a civil charge, the defendant has to be wronged in some way. I understand they could try We've been wronged by you damaging the community in general, but thats shaky ground, its far easier for an individual to prove they've been wronged when that person has actually violated your copyright... Filing a civil suit in small claims court (and lets be honest, with the size of the android market, you're not looking at anything larger than small claims court), its like 50$ at your local court to file a suit, and if you win, you'll get that money back. If you're seriously concerned about the issue, take a stance and file some complaints, don't just say Google, why aren't you doing anything?... A possible example: If you grew fruits, and got a booth at a farmers market, and someone walked up and stole an apple. You wouldn't ask the farmers market to fix it for you, you'd either have to run after the guy, and get the apple back yourself, or sit quietly. - Dan On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Anson Mackeracher amack...@gmail.comwrote: This is absolutely Google's problem... Do you think individual developers have the resources to combat piracy? If Google doesn't look after their development community, that community won't persist for very long. On Oct 13, 1:11 pm, Dan Sherman impact...@gmail.com wrote: Just pointing out, I don't think it's necessarily Google's problem. It would be on the individual developer level (or on behalf of a group of developers). Google doesn't own the licenses to applications that site is distributing, individual developers do... - Dan On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid apps http://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
Maybe a white-hatted person will show up and target some serious DoS efforts on these sites! On Oct 13, 1:52 pm, Fan Zhang fredplusp...@gmail.com wrote: There are many more sites like this. I am a developer and my stuff gets pirated all the time... If google decides to take any actions on those website, here is a list of them:www.hiapk.comwww.androidin.netwww.android123.com and basically all chinese forums that talks about Android system has some degree of piracy issue =( On Oct 13, 1:39 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: People with rooted phone buy app, copy package, distribute it Google offers really no package protection On Oct 13, 1:33 pm, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is just great! How should developers attempt to combat this? Does the app copy protection help in any way? How is the owner of this site getting the apps? On Oct 13, 1:00 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid appshttp://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
I'm not so sure you've fully grasped the idea of white-hat... Why not just be done with this and add copy protection to your own app? On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:23 PM, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a white-hatted person will show up and target some serious DoS efforts on these sites! On Oct 13, 1:52 pm, Fan Zhang fredplusp...@gmail.com wrote: There are many more sites like this. I am a developer and my stuff gets pirated all the time... If google decides to take any actions on those website, here is a list of them:www.hiapk.comwww.androidin.netwww.android123.com and basically all chinese forums that talks about Android system has some degree of piracy issue =( On Oct 13, 1:39 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: People with rooted phone buy app, copy package, distribute it Google offers really no package protection On Oct 13, 1:33 pm, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is just great! How should developers attempt to combat this? Does the app copy protection help in any way? How is the owner of this site getting the apps? On Oct 13, 1:00 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid appshttp://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
Hi Dan, We have added copy protection per Google's instructions (application release checklist). Is there more copy protection we can/should use? On Oct 13, 2:41 pm, Dan Sherman impact...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure you've fully grasped the idea of white-hat... Why not just be done with this and add copy protection to your own app? On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:23 PM, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a white-hatted person will show up and target some serious DoS efforts on these sites! On Oct 13, 1:52 pm, Fan Zhang fredplusp...@gmail.com wrote: There are many more sites like this. I am a developer and my stuff gets pirated all the time... If google decides to take any actions on those website, here is a list of them:www.hiapk.comwww.androidin.netwww.android123.com and basically all chinese forums that talks about Android system has some degree of piracy issue =( On Oct 13, 1:39 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: People with rooted phone buy app, copy package, distribute it Google offers really no package protection On Oct 13, 1:33 pm, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is just great! How should developers attempt to combat this? Does the app copy protection help in any way? How is the owner of this site getting the apps? On Oct 13, 1:00 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid appshttp://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
You can write any sort of copy protection you like into the application... Most of our software connects to a server to authenticate before running, you could do this with serial numbers (distributed however you like). Its your application, you can add whatever you like to it :) - Dan On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:56 PM, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, We have added copy protection per Google's instructions (application release checklist). Is there more copy protection we can/should use? On Oct 13, 2:41 pm, Dan Sherman impact...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure you've fully grasped the idea of white-hat... Why not just be done with this and add copy protection to your own app? On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:23 PM, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a white-hatted person will show up and target some serious DoS efforts on these sites! On Oct 13, 1:52 pm, Fan Zhang fredplusp...@gmail.com wrote: There are many more sites like this. I am a developer and my stuff gets pirated all the time... If google decides to take any actions on those website, here is a list of them:www.hiapk.comwww.androidin.netwww.android123.com and basically all chinese forums that talks about Android system has some degree of piracy issue =( On Oct 13, 1:39 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: People with rooted phone buy app, copy package, distribute it Google offers really no package protection On Oct 13, 1:33 pm, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is just great! How should developers attempt to combat this? Does the app copy protection help in any way? How is the owner of this site getting the apps? On Oct 13, 1:00 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid appshttp:// www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
With sales so dismal I think freeing up your app and figuring out an alternative way of making money from it (not ads ether) is the best way to fight Chinese (or Russians, or whomever). Or build-in license activation which validates that license is valid for the particular device. Litigation is simply silly in this particular instance On Oct 13, 11:56 am, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, We have added copy protection per Google's instructions (application release checklist). Is there more copy protection we can/should use? On Oct 13, 2:41 pm, Dan Sherman impact...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure you've fully grasped the idea of white-hat... Why not just be done with this and add copy protection to your own app? On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:23 PM, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a white-hatted person will show up and target some serious DoS efforts on these sites! On Oct 13, 1:52 pm, Fan Zhang fredplusp...@gmail.com wrote: There are many more sites like this. I am a developer and my stuff gets pirated all the time... If google decides to take any actions on those website, here is a list of them:www.hiapk.comwww.androidin.netwww.android123.com and basically all chinese forums that talks about Android system has some degree of piracy issue =( On Oct 13, 1:39 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: People with rooted phone buy app, copy package, distribute it Google offers really no package protection On Oct 13, 1:33 pm, WoodManEXP woodman...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is just great! How should developers attempt to combat this? Does the app copy protection help in any way? How is the owner of this site getting the apps? On Oct 13, 1:00 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid appshttp://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: for Google attention
There are sooo many more web-site offering paid Android apps for download. Some do it for free and other actually ask for money, either per download or a membership of their web-site/forum. On occasion I was able to remove my app from these sites. The owners of these sites were cooperative. Others aren't that cooperative... I fear it's a fact of life. I just hope that most customer will do right by us developers and spend 1 or a few bucks on an application for their phone. On Oct 13, 1:00 pm, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Chinese web site where u can download packages for paid appshttp://www.91android.com/bbs/attachmentList.php?action=search Can Google do something about this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
