Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

[rodman.deborah via Angular and AngularJS discussion]

On Tue, 2/28/17, reginemcfarlane via Angular and AngularJS discussion 
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 Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default
 To: angular@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2017, 1:53 AM
 
 
 
 On Tue, 2/28/17, rodman.deborah via Angular and AngularJS
 discussion 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli
 as default
  To: angular@googlegroups.com
  Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2017, 12:23 AM
  
  
  
  On Mon, 2/27/17, jamesmatthews431 via Angular and
 AngularJS
  discussion 
  wrote:
  
   Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
 uses cli
  as default
   To: angular@googlegroups.com
   Date: Monday, February 27, 2017, 6:05 PM
   
   
   
   On Mon, 2/27/17, chandaniel112 via Angular and
 AngularJS
   discussion 
   wrote:
   
    Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
  uses cli
   as default
    To: angular@googlegroups.com
    Date: Monday, February 27, 2017, 8:28 AM
    
    
    
    On Sun, 2/26/17, reginemcfarlane via Angular and
  AngularJS
    discussion 
    wrote:
    
     Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
   uses cli
    as default
     To: angular@googlegroups.com
     Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 8:26 PM
     
     
     
     On Sun, 2/26/17, 'Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and
   AngularJS
     discussion 
     wrote:
     
      Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
    uses cli
     as default
      To: "Angular and AngularJS discussion" 
      Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 1:36 PM
      
      Whoever told
      you that you cannot debug a production build was
     incorrect.
      We debug in production all the time without issue.
  
      
      On Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 06:34 Long Field 
      wrote:
      Hi SanderLet me make this clear, I
      judge complex or flexible according the task and
    tools,
     not
      by if I know how to do something or not.
      I does not know much about
      cli, this is true and I've been told I cannot
  debug
    with
      cli production build.
      ooh, I've make myself
      lots of enemy in community.
      Thanks any
      way.
      On
      Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:34:57 PM UTC+11,
    Sander
      Elias wrote:Hi Long,Couple of clicks and change
  or
    add
     couple lines of
      you can have a VB application; similar as ng-cli,
    couple
     of
      switches and add couple lines or components and
  you
    have a
      ng application running! that let me to
      compare.Ease of use doesn't make
      a tool "unprofessional". Easy setup of an empty
      app-shell doesn't diminish the value of the tool.
    Then
      again, if you don't like the generation part,
  none
    is
      enforcing you to use it. You can very well use
  the
    tool
     for
      just building, and skip the generation
  completely.
       
      elaborate
      brings complex and less flexible, and the worse,
  with
    cli
      production built and I won't be able debug in
      production. You might surprise what !!! debug in
      production?There is nothing in the CLI
      that prevents you from doing this. You can use
  it
    to
     build
      a production app, including sourcemaps if that
    floats
     your
      boat.
      Also, you can eject the
      webpack-config if you need/want even more
    control over
     the
      build part.
      Sorry, but it sounds to me
      that you don't know how to do certain things with
    the
      CLI, and are blaming the tool for that. How that
    relates
     to
      your remarks of professionalism, well, I leave
  that
    up to
      you.
      If you
      build an app using the CLI it follows all the
  current
    best
      practices and the angular style-guide. Those
  things
    are
      created by professionals, for professionals. And
    made
      accessible for everyone. Even juniors are able to
    make a
      maintainable program if they just follow the
    guidelines.
     In
      my eyes, that alone makes it a tool for
    professionals. A
      tool that's easy to use? Even better, that way I
  can
      focus on my app, instead of spending time on
  things
    that I
      need to build/generate, but do not add value to
  my
    app.
      
      Well, that's just my
      2cents.RegardsSander
      
      
      
      
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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

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On Tue, 2/28/17, rodman.deborah via Angular and AngularJS discussion 
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 Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default
 To: angular@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2017, 12:23 AM
 
 
 
 On Mon, 2/27/17, jamesmatthews431 via Angular and AngularJS
 discussion 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli
 as default
  To: angular@googlegroups.com
  Date: Monday, February 27, 2017, 6:05 PM
  
  
  
  On Mon, 2/27/17, chandaniel112 via Angular and AngularJS
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  wrote:
  
   Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
 uses cli
  as default
   To: angular@googlegroups.com
   Date: Monday, February 27, 2017, 8:28 AM
   
   
   
   On Sun, 2/26/17, reginemcfarlane via Angular and
 AngularJS
   discussion 
   wrote:
   
    Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
  uses cli
   as default
    To: angular@googlegroups.com
    Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 8:26 PM
    
    
    
    On Sun, 2/26/17, 'Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and
  AngularJS
    discussion 
    wrote:
    
     Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
   uses cli
    as default
     To: "Angular and AngularJS discussion" 
     Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 1:36 PM
     
     Whoever told
     you that you cannot debug a production build was
    incorrect.
     We debug in production all the time without issue.
 
     
     On Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 06:34 Long Field 
     wrote:
     Hi SanderLet me make this clear, I
     judge complex or flexible according the task and
   tools,
    not
     by if I know how to do something or not.
     I does not know much about
     cli, this is true and I've been told I cannot
 debug
   with
     cli production build.
     ooh, I've make myself
     lots of enemy in community.
     Thanks any
     way.
     On
     Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:34:57 PM UTC+11,
   Sander
     Elias wrote:Hi Long,Couple of clicks and change
 or
   add
    couple lines of
     you can have a VB application; similar as ng-cli,
   couple
    of
     switches and add couple lines or components and
 you
   have a
     ng application running! that let me to
     compare.Ease of use doesn't make
     a tool "unprofessional". Easy setup of an empty
     app-shell doesn't diminish the value of the tool.
   Then
     again, if you don't like the generation part,
 none
   is
     enforcing you to use it. You can very well use
 the
   tool
    for
     just building, and skip the generation
 completely.
      
     elaborate
     brings complex and less flexible, and the worse,
 with
   cli
     production built and I won't be able debug in
     production. You might surprise what !!! debug in
     production?There is nothing in the CLI
     that prevents you from doing this. You can use
 it
   to
    build
     a production app, including sourcemaps if that
   floats
    your
     boat.
     Also, you can eject the
     webpack-config if you need/want even more
   control over
    the
     build part.
     Sorry, but it sounds to me
     that you don't know how to do certain things with
   the
     CLI, and are blaming the tool for that. How that
   relates
    to
     your remarks of professionalism, well, I leave
 that
   up to
     you.
     If you
     build an app using the CLI it follows all the
 current
   best
     practices and the angular style-guide. Those
 things
   are
     created by professionals, for professionals. And
   made
     accessible for everyone. Even juniors are able to
   make a
     maintainable program if they just follow the
   guidelines.
    In
     my eyes, that alone makes it a tool for
   professionals. A
     tool that's easy to use? Even better, that way I
 can
     focus on my app, instead of spending time on
 things
   that I
     need to build/generate, but do not add value to
 my
   app.
     
     Well, that's just my
     2cents.RegardsSander
     
     
     
     
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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

[rodman.deborah via Angular and AngularJS discussion]

On Mon, 2/27/17, jamesmatthews431 via Angular and AngularJS discussion 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default
 To: angular@googlegroups.com
 Date: Monday, February 27, 2017, 6:05 PM
 
 
 
 On Mon, 2/27/17, chandaniel112 via Angular and AngularJS
 discussion 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli
 as default
  To: angular@googlegroups.com
  Date: Monday, February 27, 2017, 8:28 AM
  
  
  
  On Sun, 2/26/17, reginemcfarlane via Angular and AngularJS
  discussion 
  wrote:
  
   Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
 uses cli
  as default
   To: angular@googlegroups.com
   Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 8:26 PM
   
   
   
   On Sun, 2/26/17, 'Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and
 AngularJS
   discussion 
   wrote:
   
    Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
  uses cli
   as default
    To: "Angular and AngularJS discussion" 
    Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 1:36 PM
    
    Whoever told
    you that you cannot debug a production build was
   incorrect.
    We debug in production all the time without issue. 
    
    On Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 06:34 Long Field 
    wrote:
    Hi SanderLet me make this clear, I
    judge complex or flexible according the task and
  tools,
   not
    by if I know how to do something or not.
    I does not know much about
    cli, this is true and I've been told I cannot debug
  with
    cli production build.
    ooh, I've make myself
    lots of enemy in community.
    Thanks any
    way.
    On
    Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:34:57 PM UTC+11,
  Sander
    Elias wrote:Hi Long,Couple of clicks and change or
  add
   couple lines of
    you can have a VB application; similar as ng-cli,
  couple
   of
    switches and add couple lines or components and you
  have a
    ng application running! that let me to
    compare.Ease of use doesn't make
    a tool "unprofessional". Easy setup of an empty
    app-shell doesn't diminish the value of the tool.
  Then
    again, if you don't like the generation part, none
  is
    enforcing you to use it. You can very well use the
  tool
   for
    just building, and skip the generation completely.
     
    elaborate
    brings complex and less flexible, and the worse, with
  cli
    production built and I won't be able debug in
    production. You might surprise what !!! debug in
    production?There is nothing in the CLI
    that prevents you from doing this. You can use it
  to
   build
    a production app, including sourcemaps if that
  floats
   your
    boat.
    Also, you can eject the
    webpack-config if you need/want even more
  control over
   the
    build part.
    Sorry, but it sounds to me
    that you don't know how to do certain things with
  the
    CLI, and are blaming the tool for that. How that
  relates
   to
    your remarks of professionalism, well, I leave that
  up to
    you.
    If you
    build an app using the CLI it follows all the current
  best
    practices and the angular style-guide. Those things
  are
    created by professionals, for professionals. And
  made
    accessible for everyone. Even juniors are able to
  make a
    maintainable program if they just follow the
  guidelines.
   In
    my eyes, that alone makes it a tool for
  professionals. A
    tool that's easy to use? Even better, that way I can
    focus on my app, instead of spending time on things
  that I
    need to build/generate, but do not add value to my
  app.
    
    Well, that's just my
    2cents.RegardsSander
    
    
    
    
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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

[jamesmatthews431 via Angular and AngularJS discussion]

On Mon, 2/27/17, chandaniel112 via Angular and AngularJS discussion 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default
 To: angular@googlegroups.com
 Date: Monday, February 27, 2017, 8:28 AM
 
 
 
 On Sun, 2/26/17, reginemcfarlane via Angular and AngularJS
 discussion 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli
 as default
  To: angular@googlegroups.com
  Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 8:26 PM
  
  
  
  On Sun, 2/26/17, 'Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and AngularJS
  discussion 
  wrote:
  
   Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
 uses cli
  as default
   To: "Angular and AngularJS discussion" 
   Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 1:36 PM
   
   Whoever told
   you that you cannot debug a production build was
  incorrect.
   We debug in production all the time without issue. 
   
   On Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 06:34 Long Field 
   wrote:
   Hi SanderLet me make this clear, I
   judge complex or flexible according the task and
 tools,
  not
   by if I know how to do something or not.
   I does not know much about
   cli, this is true and I've been told I cannot debug
 with
   cli production build.
   ooh, I've make myself
   lots of enemy in community.
   Thanks any
   way.
   On
   Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:34:57 PM UTC+11,
 Sander
   Elias wrote:Hi Long,Couple of clicks and change or
 add
  couple lines of
   you can have a VB application; similar as ng-cli,
 couple
  of
   switches and add couple lines or components and you
 have a
   ng application running! that let me to
   compare.Ease of use doesn't make
   a tool "unprofessional". Easy setup of an empty
   app-shell doesn't diminish the value of the tool.
 Then
   again, if you don't like the generation part, none
 is
   enforcing you to use it. You can very well use the
 tool
  for
   just building, and skip the generation completely.
    
   elaborate
   brings complex and less flexible, and the worse, with
 cli
   production built and I won't be able debug in
   production. You might surprise what !!! debug in
   production?There is nothing in the CLI
   that prevents you from doing this. You can use it
 to
  build
   a production app, including sourcemaps if that
 floats
  your
   boat.
   Also, you can eject the
   webpack-config if you need/want even more
 control over
  the
   build part.
   Sorry, but it sounds to me
   that you don't know how to do certain things with
 the
   CLI, and are blaming the tool for that. How that
 relates
  to
   your remarks of professionalism, well, I leave that
 up to
   you.
   If you
   build an app using the CLI it follows all the current
 best
   practices and the angular style-guide. Those things
 are
   created by professionals, for professionals. And
 made
   accessible for everyone. Even juniors are able to
 make a
   maintainable program if they just follow the
 guidelines.
  In
   my eyes, that alone makes it a tool for
 professionals. A
   tool that's easy to use? Even better, that way I can
   focus on my app, instead of spending time on things
 that I
   need to build/generate, but do not add value to my
 app.
   
   Well, that's just my
   2cents.RegardsSander
   
   
   
   
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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

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On Sun, 2/26/17, reginemcfarlane via Angular and AngularJS discussion 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default
 To: angular@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 8:26 PM
 
 
 
 On Sun, 2/26/17, 'Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and AngularJS
 discussion 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli
 as default
  To: "Angular and AngularJS discussion" 
  Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 1:36 PM
  
  Whoever told
  you that you cannot debug a production build was
 incorrect.
  We debug in production all the time without issue. 
  
  On Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 06:34 Long Field 
  wrote:
  Hi SanderLet me make this clear, I
  judge complex or flexible according the task and tools,
 not
  by if I know how to do something or not.
  I does not know much about
  cli, this is true and I've been told I cannot debug with
  cli production build.
  ooh, I've make myself
  lots of enemy in community.
  Thanks any
  way.
  On
  Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:34:57 PM UTC+11, Sander
  Elias wrote:Hi Long,Couple of clicks and change or add
 couple lines of
  you can have a VB application; similar as ng-cli, couple
 of
  switches and add couple lines or components and you have a
  ng application running! that let me to
  compare.Ease of use doesn't make
  a tool "unprofessional". Easy setup of an empty
  app-shell doesn't diminish the value of the tool. Then
  again, if you don't like the generation part, none is
  enforcing you to use it. You can very well use the tool
 for
  just building, and skip the generation completely.
   
  elaborate
  brings complex and less flexible, and the worse, with cli
  production built and I won't be able debug in
  production. You might surprise what !!! debug in
  production?There is nothing in the CLI
  that prevents you from doing this. You can use it to
 build
  a production app, including sourcemaps if that floats
 your
  boat.
  Also, you can eject the
  webpack-config if you need/want even more control over
 the
  build part.
  Sorry, but it sounds to me
  that you don't know how to do certain things with the
  CLI, and are blaming the tool for that. How that relates
 to
  your remarks of professionalism, well, I leave that up to
  you.
  If you
  build an app using the CLI it follows all the current best
  practices and the angular style-guide. Those things are
  created by professionals, for professionals. And made
  accessible for everyone. Even juniors are able to make a
  maintainable program if they just follow the guidelines.
 In
  my eyes, that alone makes it a tool for professionals. A
  tool that's easy to use? Even better, that way I can
  focus on my app, instead of spending time on things that I
  need to build/generate, but do not add value to my app.
  
  Well, that's just my
  2cents.RegardsSander
  
  
  
  
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[AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

[Long Field]

Sander
"Ah, so you can judge tools you don't know about?" 

sounds strange isn't?
Understand mostly of a system/software before I completed a job is not an 
option for me most of time.

Always have to make judge: if spend more time in one area or not before 
know much of about it; 

But anyway, I am thinking of webpack ( as your suggestion, thanks!), not 
cli this time.

Cheers!
Long

On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 2:53:06 PM UTC+11, Sander Elias wrote:
>
> Hi Long,
>
> Let me make this clear, I judge complex or flexible according the task and 
>> tools, not by if I know how to do something or not.
>>
> Ok, that sounds fair.
>  
>
>> I does not know much about cli, this is true and I've been told I cannot 
>> debug with cli production build.
>>
> Ah, so you can judge tools you don't know about? And then go to public 
> fora and state:
>
>  actually very bad as starting point to be a professional programmer 
>
> Based on something you heard, and that is clearly false? Doesn't tell that 
> more about you as about the tool?
>
> ooh, I've make myself lots of enemy in community.
>>
> Nope! that's not how we treat or think about each other in this community. 
>
> Regard]
> Sander
>

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[AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

[Sander Elias]

Hi Long,

Let me make this clear, I judge complex or flexible according the task and 
> tools, not by if I know how to do something or not.
>
Ok, that sounds fair.
 

> I does not know much about cli, this is true and I've been told I cannot 
> debug with cli production build.
>
Ah, so you can judge tools you don't know about? And then go to public 
fora and state:

 actually very bad as starting point to be a professional programmer 

Based on something you heard, and that is clearly false? Doesn't tell that 
more about you as about the tool?

ooh, I've make myself lots of enemy in community.
>
Nope! that's not how we treat or think about each other in this community. 

Regard]
Sander

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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

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On Sun, 2/26/17, 'Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and AngularJS discussion 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default
 To: "Angular and AngularJS discussion" 
 Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 1:36 PM
 
 Whoever told
 you that you cannot debug a production build was incorrect.
 We debug in production all the time without issue. 
 
 On Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 06:34 Long Field 
 wrote:
 Hi SanderLet me make this clear, I
 judge complex or flexible according the task and tools, not
 by if I know how to do something or not.
 I does not know much about
 cli, this is true and I've been told I cannot debug with
 cli production build.
 ooh, I've make myself
 lots of enemy in community.
 Thanks any
 way.
 On
 Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:34:57 PM UTC+11, Sander
 Elias wrote:Hi Long,Couple of clicks and change or add couple lines of
 you can have a VB application; similar as ng-cli, couple of
 switches and add couple lines or components and you have a
 ng application running! that let me to
 compare.Ease of use doesn't make
 a tool "unprofessional". Easy setup of an empty
 app-shell doesn't diminish the value of the tool. Then
 again, if you don't like the generation part, none is
 enforcing you to use it. You can very well use the tool for
 just building, and skip the generation completely.
  
 elaborate
 brings complex and less flexible, and the worse, with cli
 production built and I won't be able debug in
 production. You might surprise what !!! debug in
 production?There is nothing in the CLI
 that prevents you from doing this. You can use it to build
 a production app, including sourcemaps if that floats your
 boat.
 Also, you can eject the
 webpack-config if you need/want even more control over the
 build part.
 Sorry, but it sounds to me
 that you don't know how to do certain things with the
 CLI, and are blaming the tool for that. How that relates to
 your remarks of professionalism, well, I leave that up to
 you.
 If you
 build an app using the CLI it follows all the current best
 practices and the angular style-guide. Those things are
 created by professionals, for professionals. And made
 accessible for everyone. Even juniors are able to make a
 maintainable program if they just follow the guidelines. In
 my eyes, that alone makes it a tool for professionals. A
 tool that's easy to use? Even better, that way I can
 focus on my app, instead of spending time on things that I
 need to build/generate, but do not add value to my app.
 
 Well, that's just my
 2cents.RegardsSander
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

['Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and AngularJS discussion]

Whoever told you that you cannot debug a production build was incorrect. We
debug in production all the time without issue.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 06:34 Long Field  wrote:

> Hi Sander
> Let me make this clear, I judge complex or flexible according the task and
> tools, not by if I know how to do something or not.
>
> I does not know much about cli, this is true and I've been told I cannot
> debug with cli production build.
>
> ooh, I've make myself lots of enemy in community.
>
> Thanks any way.
>
> On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:34:57 PM UTC+11, Sander Elias wrote:
>
> Hi Long,
>
> Couple of clicks and change or add couple lines of you can have a VB
> application; similar as ng-cli, couple of switches and add couple lines or
> components and you have a ng application running! that let me to compare.
>
> Ease of use doesn't make a tool "unprofessional". Easy setup of an empty
> app-shell doesn't diminish the value of the tool. Then again, if you don't
> like the generation part, none is enforcing you to use it. You can very
> well use the tool for just building, and skip the generation completely.
>
> elaborate brings complex and less flexible, and the worse, with cli
> production built and I won't be able debug in production. You might
> surprise what !!! debug in production?
>
> There is nothing in the CLI that prevents you from doing this. You can use
> it to build a production app, including sourcemaps if that floats your boat.
>
> Also, you can eject the webpack-config if you need/want even more
> control over the build part.
>
> Sorry, but it sounds to me that you don't know how to do certain things
> with the CLI, and are blaming the tool for that. How that relates to your
> remarks of professionalism, well, I leave that up to you.
> If you build an app using the CLI it follows all the current best
> practices and the angular style-guide. Those things are created by
> professionals, for professionals. And made accessible for everyone. Even
> juniors are able to make a maintainable program if they just follow the
> guidelines. In my eyes, that alone makes it a tool for professionals. A
> tool that's easy to use? Even better, that way I can focus on my app,
> instead of spending time on things that I need to build/generate, but do
> not add value to my app.
>
> Well, that's just my 2cents.
> Regards
> Sander
>
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[AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

[Long Field]

Hi Sander
Let me make this clear, I judge complex or flexible according the task and 
tools, not by if I know how to do something or not.

I does not know much about cli, this is true and I've been told I cannot 
debug with cli production build.

ooh, I've make myself lots of enemy in community.

Thanks any way.

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:34:57 PM UTC+11, Sander Elias wrote:
>
> Hi Long,
>
>> Couple of clicks and change or add couple lines of you can have a VB 
>> application; similar as ng-cli, couple of switches and add couple lines or 
>> components and you have a ng application running! that let me to compare.
>>
> Ease of use doesn't make a tool "unprofessional". Easy setup of an empty 
> app-shell doesn't diminish the value of the tool. Then again, if you don't 
> like the generation part, none is enforcing you to use it. You can very 
> well use the tool for just building, and skip the generation completely.  
>
> elaborate brings complex and less flexible, and the worse, with cli 
>> production built and I won't be able debug in production. You might 
>> surprise what !!! debug in production?
>>
> There is nothing in the CLI that prevents you from doing this. You can use 
> it to build a production app, including sourcemaps if that floats your boat.
>
> Also, you can eject the webpack-config if you need/want even more 
> control over the build part.
>
> Sorry, but it sounds to me that you don't know how to do certain things 
> with the CLI, and are blaming the tool for that. How that relates to your 
> remarks of professionalism, well, I leave that up to you.
> If you build an app using the CLI it follows all the current best 
> practices and the angular style-guide. Those things are created by 
> professionals, for professionals. And made accessible for everyone. Even 
> juniors are able to make a maintainable program if they just follow the 
> guidelines. In my eyes, that alone makes it a tool for professionals. A 
> tool that's easy to use? Even better, that way I can focus on my app, 
> instead of spending time on things that I need to build/generate, but do 
> not add value to my app.
>
> Well, that's just my 2cents.
> Regards
> Sander
>
>

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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

[eddaburleson via Angular and AngularJS discussion]

On Sun, 2/26/17, jamesmatthews431 via Angular and AngularJS discussion 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default
 To: angular@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 10:03 AM
 
 
 
 On Sun, 2/26/17, chandaniel112 via Angular and AngularJS
 discussion 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli
 as default
  To: angular@googlegroups.com
  Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 6:14 AM
  
  
  
  On Sun, 2/26/17, rodman.deborah via Angular and AngularJS
  discussion 
  wrote:
  
   Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
 uses cli
  as default
   To: angular@googlegroups.com
   Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 2:40 AM
   
   
   
   On Sat, 2/25/17, jamesmatthews431 via Angular and
  AngularJS
   discussion 
   wrote:
   
    Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
  uses cli
   as default
    To: angular@googlegroups.com
    Date: Saturday, February 25, 2017, 4:19 PM
    
    
    
    On Sat, 2/25/17, 'Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and
  AngularJS
    discussion 
    wrote:
    
     Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
   uses cli
    as default
     To: "Angular and AngularJS discussion" 
     Date: Saturday, February 25, 2017, 2:15 AM
     
     You can debug in
     production. You have to include the generated map
   files.
    The
     browsers debugging tools will then show the
 source
   code
    when
     using the debugger.
     As for the cli, it automates a set of build
     steps to produce an optimized application. You
 could
    achieve
     the same effect yourself but you would have to
 learn
   how
    to
     use all the tools. Again, at its core, it is a
 build
   tool.
     You can chose not to use the component creation
   features
    (I
     don't use them). 
     
     On Fri,
     Feb 24, 2017, 19:06 Long Field 
     wrote:
     Couple of clicks and change
     or add couple lines of you can have a VB
   application;
     similar as ng-cli, couple of switches and add
 couple
   lines
     or components and you have a ng application
 running!
   that
     let me to compare.
     elaborate brings complex and
     less flexible, and the worse, with cli production
   built
    and
     I won't be able debug in production. You might
   surprise
     what !!! debug in production?YES, I have got more
 pay
   then
     of team members because I can sort out problem in
    production
     website, cli let that to be too, too hard.I have
   getting
    finish my ng2
     project, not happy with cli of this, it looks like
 I
   have
    to
     bring systemjs to production.cli project brings
 up
   but
     people from school, not care of production
     issue
     
     On Friday, February 24, 2017
     at 11:34:03 PM UTC+11, Sander Elias wrote:Hi
 Long,
     Do you care to elaborate on
     that? I don't
     understand how you compare something like visual
   basic(a
     sort of programming language, and yes I know what
 it
   is.)
     with a tool that's there to aid building an
 angular
     app.Why do you
     think the CLI is going to disappear?
     RegardsSander
     
     
     
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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

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On Sun, 2/26/17, chandaniel112 via Angular and AngularJS discussion 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default
 To: angular@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 6:14 AM
 
 
 
 On Sun, 2/26/17, rodman.deborah via Angular and AngularJS
 discussion 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli
 as default
  To: angular@googlegroups.com
  Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 2:40 AM
  
  
  
  On Sat, 2/25/17, jamesmatthews431 via Angular and
 AngularJS
  discussion 
  wrote:
  
   Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
 uses cli
  as default
   To: angular@googlegroups.com
   Date: Saturday, February 25, 2017, 4:19 PM
   
   
   
   On Sat, 2/25/17, 'Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and
 AngularJS
   discussion 
   wrote:
   
    Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
  uses cli
   as default
    To: "Angular and AngularJS discussion" 
    Date: Saturday, February 25, 2017, 2:15 AM
    
    You can debug in
    production. You have to include the generated map
  files.
   The
    browsers debugging tools will then show the source
  code
   when
    using the debugger.
    As for the cli, it automates a set of build
    steps to produce an optimized application. You could
   achieve
    the same effect yourself but you would have to learn
  how
   to
    use all the tools. Again, at its core, it is a build
  tool.
    You can chose not to use the component creation
  features
   (I
    don't use them). 
    
    On Fri,
    Feb 24, 2017, 19:06 Long Field 
    wrote:
    Couple of clicks and change
    or add couple lines of you can have a VB
  application;
    similar as ng-cli, couple of switches and add couple
  lines
    or components and you have a ng application running!
  that
    let me to compare.
    elaborate brings complex and
    less flexible, and the worse, with cli production
  built
   and
    I won't be able debug in production. You might
  surprise
    what !!! debug in production?YES, I have got more pay
  then
    of team members because I can sort out problem in
   production
    website, cli let that to be too, too hard.I have
  getting
   finish my ng2
    project, not happy with cli of this, it looks like I
  have
   to
    bring systemjs to production.cli project brings up
  but
    people from school, not care of production
    issue
    
    On Friday, February 24, 2017
    at 11:34:03 PM UTC+11, Sander Elias wrote:Hi Long,
    Do you care to elaborate on
    that? I don't
    understand how you compare something like visual
  basic(a
    sort of programming language, and yes I know what it
  is.)
    with a tool that's there to aid building an angular
    app.Why do you
    think the CLI is going to disappear?
    RegardsSander
    
    
    
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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

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On Sun, 2/26/17, rodman.deborah via Angular and AngularJS discussion 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default
 To: angular@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sunday, February 26, 2017, 2:40 AM
 
 
 
 On Sat, 2/25/17, jamesmatthews431 via Angular and AngularJS
 discussion 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli
 as default
  To: angular@googlegroups.com
  Date: Saturday, February 25, 2017, 4:19 PM
  
  
  
  On Sat, 2/25/17, 'Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and AngularJS
  discussion 
  wrote:
  
   Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io
 uses cli
  as default
   To: "Angular and AngularJS discussion" 
   Date: Saturday, February 25, 2017, 2:15 AM
   
   You can debug in
   production. You have to include the generated map
 files.
  The
   browsers debugging tools will then show the source
 code
  when
   using the debugger.
   As for the cli, it automates a set of build
   steps to produce an optimized application. You could
  achieve
   the same effect yourself but you would have to learn
 how
  to
   use all the tools. Again, at its core, it is a build
 tool.
   You can chose not to use the component creation
 features
  (I
   don't use them). 
   
   On Fri,
   Feb 24, 2017, 19:06 Long Field 
   wrote:
   Couple of clicks and change
   or add couple lines of you can have a VB
 application;
   similar as ng-cli, couple of switches and add couple
 lines
   or components and you have a ng application running!
 that
   let me to compare.
   elaborate brings complex and
   less flexible, and the worse, with cli production
 built
  and
   I won't be able debug in production. You might
 surprise
   what !!! debug in production?YES, I have got more pay
 then
   of team members because I can sort out problem in
  production
   website, cli let that to be too, too hard.I have
 getting
  finish my ng2
   project, not happy with cli of this, it looks like I
 have
  to
   bring systemjs to production.cli project brings up
 but
   people from school, not care of production
   issue
   
   On Friday, February 24, 2017
   at 11:34:03 PM UTC+11, Sander Elias wrote:Hi Long,
   Do you care to elaborate on
   that? I don't
   understand how you compare something like visual
 basic(a
   sort of programming language, and yes I know what it
 is.)
   with a tool that's there to aid building an angular
   app.Why do you
   think the CLI is going to disappear?
   RegardsSander
   
   
   
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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

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On Sat, 2/25/17, jamesmatthews431 via Angular and AngularJS discussion 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default
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 Date: Saturday, February 25, 2017, 4:19 PM
 
 
 
 On Sat, 2/25/17, 'Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and AngularJS
 discussion 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli
 as default
  To: "Angular and AngularJS discussion" 
  Date: Saturday, February 25, 2017, 2:15 AM
  
  You can debug in
  production. You have to include the generated map files.
 The
  browsers debugging tools will then show the source code
 when
  using the debugger.
  As for the cli, it automates a set of build
  steps to produce an optimized application. You could
 achieve
  the same effect yourself but you would have to learn how
 to
  use all the tools. Again, at its core, it is a build tool.
  You can chose not to use the component creation features
 (I
  don't use them). 
  
  On Fri,
  Feb 24, 2017, 19:06 Long Field 
  wrote:
  Couple of clicks and change
  or add couple lines of you can have a VB application;
  similar as ng-cli, couple of switches and add couple lines
  or components and you have a ng application running! that
  let me to compare.
  elaborate brings complex and
  less flexible, and the worse, with cli production built
 and
  I won't be able debug in production. You might surprise
  what !!! debug in production?YES, I have got more pay then
  of team members because I can sort out problem in
 production
  website, cli let that to be too, too hard.I have getting
 finish my ng2
  project, not happy with cli of this, it looks like I have
 to
  bring systemjs to production.cli project brings up but
  people from school, not care of production
  issue
  
  On Friday, February 24, 2017
  at 11:34:03 PM UTC+11, Sander Elias wrote:Hi Long,
  Do you care to elaborate on
  that? I don't
  understand how you compare something like visual basic(a
  sort of programming language, and yes I know what it is.)
  with a tool that's there to aid building an angular
  app.Why do you
  think the CLI is going to disappear?
  RegardsSander
  
  
  
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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

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On Sat, 2/25/17, 'Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and AngularJS discussion 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default
 To: "Angular and AngularJS discussion" 
 Date: Saturday, February 25, 2017, 2:15 AM
 
 You can debug in
 production. You have to include the generated map files. The
 browsers debugging tools will then show the source code when
 using the debugger.
 As for the cli, it automates a set of build
 steps to produce an optimized application. You could achieve
 the same effect yourself but you would have to learn how to
 use all the tools. Again, at its core, it is a build tool.
 You can chose not to use the component creation features (I
 don't use them). 
 
 On Fri,
 Feb 24, 2017, 19:06 Long Field 
 wrote:
 Couple of clicks and change
 or add couple lines of you can have a VB application;
 similar as ng-cli, couple of switches and add couple lines
 or components and you have a ng application running! that
 let me to compare.
 elaborate brings complex and
 less flexible, and the worse, with cli production built and
 I won't be able debug in production. You might surprise
 what !!! debug in production?YES, I have got more pay then
 of team members because I can sort out problem in production
 website, cli let that to be too, too hard.I have getting finish my ng2
 project, not happy with cli of this, it looks like I have to
 bring systemjs to production.cli project brings up but
 people from school, not care of production
 issue
 
 On Friday, February 24, 2017
 at 11:34:03 PM UTC+11, Sander Elias wrote:Hi Long,
 Do you care to elaborate on
 that? I don't
 understand how you compare something like visual basic(a
 sort of programming language, and yes I know what it is.)
 with a tool that's there to aid building an angular
 app.Why do you
 think the CLI is going to disappear?
 RegardsSander
 
 
 
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[AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

[Sander Elias]

Hi Long,

> Couple of clicks and change or add couple lines of you can have a VB 
> application; similar as ng-cli, couple of switches and add couple lines or 
> components and you have a ng application running! that let me to compare.
>
Ease of use doesn't make a tool "unprofessional". Easy setup of an empty 
app-shell doesn't diminish the value of the tool. Then again, if you don't 
like the generation part, none is enforcing you to use it. You can very 
well use the tool for just building, and skip the generation completely.  

elaborate brings complex and less flexible, and the worse, with cli 
> production built and I won't be able debug in production. You might 
> surprise what !!! debug in production?
>
There is nothing in the CLI that prevents you from doing this. You can use 
it to build a production app, including sourcemaps if that floats your boat.

Also, you can eject the webpack-config if you need/want even more 
control over the build part.

Sorry, but it sounds to me that you don't know how to do certain things 
with the CLI, and are blaming the tool for that. How that relates to your 
remarks of professionalism, well, I leave that up to you.
If you build an app using the CLI it follows all the current best 
practices and the angular style-guide. Those things are created by 
professionals, for professionals. And made accessible for everyone. Even 
juniors are able to make a maintainable program if they just follow the 
guidelines. In my eyes, that alone makes it a tool for professionals. A 
tool that's easy to use? Even better, that way I can focus on my app, 
instead of spending time on things that I need to build/generate, but do 
not add value to my app.

Well, that's just my 2cents.
Regards
Sander

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Re: [AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

['Lucas Lacroix' via Angular and AngularJS discussion]

You can debug in production. You have to include the generated map files.
The browsers debugging tools will then show the source code when using the
debugger.

As for the cli, it automates a set of build steps to produce an optimized
application. You could achieve the same effect yourself but you would have
to learn how to use all the tools. Again, at its core, it is a build tool.
You can chose not to use the component creation features (I don't use
them).

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 19:06 Long Field  wrote:

> Couple of clicks and change or add couple lines of you can have a VB
> application; similar as ng-cli, couple of switches and add couple lines or
> components and you have a ng application running! that let me to compare.
>
> elaborate brings complex and less flexible, and the worse, with cli
> production built and I won't be able debug in production. You might
> surprise what !!! debug in production?
> YES, I have got more pay then of team members because I can sort out
> problem in production website, cli let that to be too, too hard.
> I have getting finish my ng2 project, not happy with cli of this, it looks
> like I have to bring systemjs to production.
> cli project brings up but people from school, not care of production issue
>
>
> On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 11:34:03 PM UTC+11, Sander Elias wrote:
>
> Hi Long,
>
> Do you care to elaborate on that?
> I don't understand how you compare something like visual basic(a sort of
> programming language, and yes I know what it is.) with a tool that's there
> to aid building an angular app.
> Why do you think the CLI is going to disappear?
>
> Regards
> Sander
>
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[AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

[Long Field]

Couple of clicks and change or add couple lines of you can have a VB 
application; similar as ng-cli, couple of switches and add couple lines or 
components and you have a ng application running! that let me to compare.

elaborate brings complex and less flexible, and the worse, with cli 
production built and I won't be able debug in production. You might 
surprise what !!! debug in production?
YES, I have got more pay then of team members because I can sort out 
problem in production website, cli let that to be too, too hard.
I have getting finish my ng2 project, not happy with cli of this, it looks 
like I have to bring systemjs to production.
cli project brings up but people from school, not care of production issue


On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 11:34:03 PM UTC+11, Sander Elias wrote:
>
> Hi Long,
>
> Do you care to elaborate on that? 
> I don't understand how you compare something like visual basic(a sort of 
> programming language, and yes I know what it is.) with a tool that's there 
> to aid building an angular app.
> Why do you think the CLI is going to disappear?
>
> Regards
> Sander
>

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[AngularJS] Re: Not happy angular.io uses cli as default

[Sander Elias]

Hi Long,

Do you care to elaborate on that? 
I don't understand how you compare something like visual basic(a sort of 
programming language, and yes I know what it is.) with a tool that's there 
to aid building an angular app.
Why do you think the CLI is going to disappear?

Regards
Sander

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