Re: RIM-Pobly fwds 11.09 *NO* Bush conspiracy article [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- [This goes to some mailing lists and also to the Usenet newsgroups 'alt.society.revolution', 'alt.politics.socialism. mao', 'swnet.politik', 'eunet.politics', 'alt.politics. socialism', 'alt.politics.radical-left', 'alt.activism', 'alt.politics.communism', 'de.soc.politik.misc' and 'alt. politics.india.communist'.] This posting is a discussion reply and also contains an assessment on my part of the present situation of the US imperialists, in support of which which I'm citing some small things which have recently taken place on and concerning some Internet mailing lists. At 21:56 2002-06-23 -0400, you [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, to the ANTINATO mailing list: In a message dated 6/23/2002 10:10:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: precisely the ones who would be the *least* liable to be decieved by the stupid offi- cial propaganda concerning these mass murder terror attacks in the USA - among those who are saying NO conspiracy by the US imperialists? I don't think anyone on this list was deceived by it. It was sent to show the lengths that some people will go to discredit others. Cynthia Yes, that's quite reasonable, I think, Cynthia. And as you say, probably nobody on the ANTINATO list *was* deceived by that article either: September 11th: Conspiracy-itis, by one Marty Jezer, clearly a hack writer of the US imperialists'. Forwarding the thing to ANTINATO, as was done by Miroslav Antic, was quite OK, in my opinion - having that aim, as you say, to show the desperation of the US imperialists at this time. They really do appear to be shitty-scared! Not only are their leaders obviously infighting like hell, with Bushy him- self not been able to make up his mind (if any) about when and how to speak out (or speak up, at least) on the Middle East and stuff. Some clear shitty-scaredness has appeared also in the behaviour on the Internet of certain tools and stooges of theirs. The point of my posting of course was that interesting fact that a propagandist of that phony International the RIM and of its equally phony leading party, the RCP-USA, forwarded that ridiculous No, no, NO Bush conspiracy on 11.09.2001! thing, uncommented-on and thus in practice with a recommendation, under those *different* circumstances, to a lot of other lists. Those are the people, as I wrote in the quote above, who one would think were the *least* liable to be fooled on this by the (official) US imperialists, since they are adherents of the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong - or so they *say*. Pobly (poblachtach dearg [EMAIL PROTECTED]), who was the RIM/RCP-USA propagandist who did that puzzling - in my opinion telltale - forwarding, earlier has expressed his/her/its (unknown to me whether a male, a female or perhaps a group) dislike of one article I published back in 1994, and sent via the Net in early 1996, Why Does the RIM Help U.S. Imperialism Encircle the PCP?, and some other Net stuff by me in the same vein; Pobly at the same time writing that they (unclear who) well knew that I was not really Rolf but someone else - a theory so easy to refute (by lots of people who've known me for decades, for instance) that I didn't bother to reply more on this point than just giving my own opinion on it. The nervousness at present of the US imperialists and some different tools and stooges of theirs show up too in some things having to do with Internet mailing lists: Subscribers to the Free Palestine list (above all) have been hacked most massively, with hundreds of messages with pro-Zionist content sent by somebody-or-other in their names. The pointing out, on my part, of some funny things about the RIM and the RCP-USA, seems to have been uncomfy to some list managers, just recently. There's a particular group of lists called Maoism, Maoist respectively, MaoZeDong (sic), apparently managed by forces close to those entities. Discussions have earlier taken place above all on one of those, Maoism. But since some days back now, postings precisely by me (in contrast to such by others) I don't get as coming back from that list anymore. No message has informed me as to perhaps a reason for this. To a newly created list in that same group, one called Maoist_Guns, and stating expressly that you must *not* say on it that some people are CIA, I've not been allowed to post at all - this I was actually told. As rather many know, I'm advocating the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong, and have been doing so publicly via the Net since late 1995, with a posting series UNITE! (etc) Infos, among other things. The utter dislike of such stuff by some people managing lists with precisely such names as the above, their panic now in the face of it in fact, is one further small indication, I think, of this: At present, the US imperialists and their closest friends really are finding themselves in pretty deep shit. More and more are people everywhere awakening
RIM-Pobly fwds 11.09 *NO* Bush conspiracy article [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- RIM-Pobly fwds 11.09 *NO* Bush conspiracy article [23.06.02] Recently, there appeared on the ANTI-NATO mailing list an article which went out of its way to argue that NO, the infamous terror attacks on 11 September 2001 were NOT, as more and more people are saying today, the work of the US imperialists themselves, aimed at hitting back against the people in the USA and in the whole world, whose resistance they so more and more desperately fear. The article, entitled September 11th: Conspiracy-itis was written by one Marty Jezer. It was forwarded to the ANTI- NATO list by Miroslav Antic, who often has forwarded, with- out comments of his own, various articles, some by revolu- tionary-minded people and some by hack writers of US impe- rialism and other reactionaries too. This particular article in itself was yawningly uninteres- ting. All who had followed events even in an approximate way and had seen a few of all those facts which very clearly point to the actual perpetrators of 11.09.2001 could easily tell: Here's another stupid attempt by those mass murderers the Bushmen and Bushwomen to prevent the truth from becoming apparent to precisely everybody on this planet. But one really interesting thing in this connection, in my opinion, is the fact that one writer, poblachtach dearg poblachtach_ [EMAIL PROTECTED], whose main activity has consisted of making propaganda for that International the RIM and for its politically leading party, the RCP-USA, forwarded that silly please-no-conspiracy-theories-on-this! article again, and likewise with no comments of his own - thus pre- senting it as containing something sensible! - to a whole number of other mailing lists! Since the RIM and the RCP-USA are saying that they stand for the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong, and often in various contexts seem to be *attacking*, not least, the US imperialists, is it not very surprising that one of the propagandists - even the main propagandist today, as far as Internet mailing lists are concerned - precisely of those *very* rrrevolutionary entities wants to convince everybody that NO, the Bushmen and Bushwomen were NOT behind 11.09? Actually, the RCP-USA had already done this itself some- what earlier too, with a big interview in January 2002 with its illustrious chairman, Bob Avakian, likewise posted to a number of mailing lists, rather recently, by that same RIM/RCP-USA propagandists, Pobly. Precisely the main point of that interview was its attempt to convince all of the innocence of the US imperialists of 11.09.2001. Now why are *those* people - precisely the ones who would be on the alert most of all, as *Marxists*, as *revolutiona- ries* based not least *in that very country*, the USA, con- cerning precisely such events, precisely the ones who would be the *least* liable to be decieved by the stupid offi- cial propaganda concerning these mass murder terror attacks in the USA - among those who are saying NO conspiracy by the US imperialists? It's very puzzling, isn't it? I mean, when a party or other organization *says* it's revo- lutionary, when it says it represents the line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong, when it says it strives to represent the com- mon interests of the vast majority of people on earth, then one should always take that party's or other organization's word for that, should one not? I mean, harbouring suspicions that it might actually be the puppet of some quite other forces, some considerably less nice ones, for instance, that's being very distrustful and counter-productive. The very introduction lines of one of those mailing lists to which Pobly forwarded that article, the Maoist_Guns mailing list, a recently created new one, quite rightly say, among other things: 'Provocateurs and the like NOT discussing / posting Maoist propaganda and struggles of the Oppressed will be banned, especially if refering to People`s Real names and labelling individuals as CIA etc.' And some provocaterurs' labelling some *very* Maoist *orga- nizations* as CIA etc, that of course is even worse. The intro lines of the Maoist_Guns also say, concerning what kind of postings would, and should, appear on that list: 'Postings from the Maoist press, wheather [sic] from the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement [i.e., the RIM], Revolutionary worker [the newspaper of the RCP-USA], A World To Win [magazine inspired by the RIM], Maoist Internationalist Movement [one other International, likewised based in the USA, the MIM] etc is greatly encouraged to inspire debate as part of the Unity, Struggle, Unity, Trans- formation process.' So here it becomes clear, once more, that all of those enti- ties of course *are* Marxist, Maoist ones. So who can doubt the revolutionary credentials of Pobly? At least, when posting to that Maoist_Guns list? I
Re: RIM-Pobly fwds 11.09 *NO* Bush conspiracy article [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- In a message dated 6/23/2002 10:10:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: precisely the ones who would be the *least* liable to be decieved by the stupid "offi- cial" propaganda concerning these mass murder terror attacks in the USA - among those who are saying "NO conspiracy by the US imperialists"? I don't think anyone on this list was deceived by it. It was sent to show the lengths that some people will go to discredit others. Cynthia --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
