Re: [Apple-Crop] Malling 27

[kuffelcreek]

Willamette Nursery may also still have some www.willamettenurseries.com

Kevin Hauser
Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery


On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 08:52:27 -0700, Gary Snyder 
wrote:
> You should try Treco in Oregon.
> 
> Their phone number is 1-800-871-5141.
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> Good Luck
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> *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Kushad, Mosbah M
> *Sent:* Friday, October 07, 2016 8:47 AM
> *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list (apple-crop@virtualorchard.com)
> *Subject:* [Apple-Crop] Malling 27
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> 
> Hello everyone:  Does anyone know where I can get 50 of M.27 or P22
> rootstocks?  I need them for a project in my tree fruit class at
University
> of Illinois.Much appreciated.. Mosbah
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> *Mosbah M. Kushad*
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> *Horticulture Postharvest Physiologist *
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> *1109 Plant Sciences Laboratory*
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Re: [Apple-Crop] Scion wood

[kuffelcreek]

Hi David:

Yes, that's fine.  

Kevin


On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:35:37 -0500, David Doud  wrote:
> the weather forecast for next week suggests there will be a good window
to
> mail scion wood - will there be someone to receive it on tues/weds if I
> ship it monday? 
> David 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Kim Logan  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you so much
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On January 3, 2017, at 7:46 AM, David Doud  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> be happy to - it’s on the list - I’ve found it best that scionwood
>> doesn’t freeze in transit so if it works for you I’ll ship early in the
>> week some time during the few weeks when the forecast is favorable -
I’ll
>> email when it’s sent -
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Kelly Logan >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David, my name is Kelly Logan and I'm a fruit grower from western
>>> Illinois who was searching for scion wood for a Baxter Black winesap
>>> apple. If I could acquire some sticks from you I would send them to
Big
>>> Horse Creek farm in North Carolina and have them grafted on dwarf
>>> rootstock. If you could cut me six small one year old sticks wrapped
in
>>> a damp paper towel inside a plastic bag and send them to me at Baxter
>>> Vineyards, po box342, Nauvoo Illinois 62354 I would be willing to
>>> compensate you for your efforts.  Thanks kelly
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Re: [Apple-Crop] Future of Extension Assistance to Apple Crop

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Pi r squared.  Ha! You can't fool me; cornbread's square, pies are round!

(In memory of Andy Griffith)

Kevin Hauser
Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 23:05:13 +, "Con.Traas"  wrote:
> Hi Art (and everyone),
> Yes, I was a much more regular contributor in the past. But then, in
> general, there was a lot more discussion going on the forum, which
> stimulated more responses.
> I am happy to confirm I am alive and well, and that the apple industry
in
> Ireland (small though it is) is doing reasonably well.
> In 2016 there was an outstanding crop, despite the weather being only
> slightly warmer than usual. But there was moisture whenever it was
needed,
> and everything just seemed to go right, with an exceptional autumn for
> harvest, with mostly dry and mild weather.
> The big crop has led to its own problems with culinary apples, which are
> oversupplied, and the processors also took less than usual.
> In a few weeks the growers will be giving away free "apples for tarts"
> apples prior to World Pi day (as in the number 3.14 - ratio of diameter
to
> circumference of a circle), with the catch that whoever gets the free
> apples and makes the pie, must in turn give that away free. A sort of
> pay-it-forward idea that we hope gets a bit of traction.
> Con
> 
> PS Thanks to Dave for the rather comforting and (as usual) comprehensive
> response.
> 
> 
> 
> From: kellyorchards [kellyorcha...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 24 January 2017 13:40
> To: Con.Traas; apple-crop@virtualorchard.com
> Subject: RE: [Apple-Crop] Future of Extension Assistance to Apple Crop
> 
> I hadn't heard from you in a while and was worried.  You used to be a
> regular contributor.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Art Kelly
> Kelly Orchards
> Acton, Maine
> 
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: "Con.Traas" 
> Date: 01/24/2017 8:16 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.com
> Subject: [Apple-Crop] Future of Extension Assistance to Apple Crop
> 
> 
> Hello to all from Ireland.
> We're having a very mild winter but trees still dormant at the moment,
and
> at least pruning is progressing well.
> I note from the article below that the ability of public sector staff to
> contribute via a group such as this may become limited.
> However I would be very hopeful that all growers make good on any
deficit
> that might arise. I look forward to many years of happy discussion of
all
> things apple.
> Con Traas
> The Apple Farm
> Ireland
> 
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Re: [Apple-Crop] Apple videos

[kuffelcreek]

Hi Jerry:

That project has your name written all over it, and I think you're the
perfect man for the job :)  Let us know when you complete it and post a
link to it.

Kevin Hauser
Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
Riverside, California
Nakifuma, Uganda, East Africa

On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 14:23:23 +, Jerry Frecon 
wrote:
> Does anyone know of, or have made a video for their orchard operation on
> growing, handling and harvesting apples that would be tailored to UPick
> customers and consumers.  I have a grower that would like to obtain such
a
> presentation for his customers to stress all the expense and TLC that
goes
> into growing a crop of apples, and how they should handle and harvest
them
> properly.  Thank you for any help you can provide.
> 
> Jerome L "Jerry" Frecon
> Professor Emeritus, Rutgers University
> And Horticultural Consultant for
> www.acnursery.com
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Re: [Apple-Crop] Ideas on FB

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A long, cool spring here in Southern California allowed quite a few FB
strikes, three days in the low to mid-90's stopped it in its tracks. 
Formerly limp shoots with sticky ooze and now crispy and dry, and pruned
stumps do not get re-infection.  That's all I'll see of it until next
spring, weeks of 100+ weather and 5% humidity sees to that.  Unfortunately
it doesn't slow down the CM a bit, which is my next nemesis on the
calendar.

Kevin Hauser
Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
Riverside, California
Nakifuma, Uganda

On Mon, 22 May 2017 02:45:06 + (UTC), lee elliott 
wrote:
> For the first year ever I havent seen any FB here is western Illinois,
> could it be th 86 degree days we had burned it out, I believe FB burns
out
> after a few hot days, some dont believe this but experience has taught
me
> it is true, Shoot bligt and root sucker blight has allways been a
problem,
> I am sceptical that these antobiotic sprays work at all, only good for
the
> blooms and chemical dealers, Copper does work well on young hursery and
> non-bearing trees that get shoot blight where your not woried about
fruit
> finish, My person opiniion, low soil levels of copper, (do a leaf
anayisis)
> make the tree stressed and contribute to FB. Just my 2 cents worth, Lee
> Elliott, Upstart Nursery, Winchester Illinois
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Re: [Apple-Crop] Ideas on FB

[kuffelcreek]

For the record, "cool" spring to us is in the low 70's, as it is not
unusual to have some 100F+ days in April.  This year we even got a rain and
decent mountain snow after Easter.

Our worst FB weather is cool, foggy mornings burning off to hazy days in
the 80's. The hot days we got last week with low RH were accompanied by
pretty stiff winds, the kind of weather that dries your jeans on the
clothesline really fast.  I never saw scab or powdery mildew until I
visited an orchard in Santa Cruz (ewww, what's that stuff?...).

The Uganda nursery is 80F year-round, glad there's no FB there or there
would be no stopping it.  Plenty of scab and PM though.

Kevin 


On Mon, 22 May 2017 12:45:41 -0400, Daniel Cooley 
wrote:
> My guess is that it’s not so much the heat as the humidity, Kevin. I
think
> when you get as dry as it gets in Riverside on a hot day, it may indeed
> kill off the epiphytic bacteria, and make further transmission
difficult.
> Today and tomorrow it looks like your dewpoint is 47 to 52 F (8 to 11
> Vincent), and RH dips to nearly 20%!  Perhaps the heat/water stress also
> stops progress in infected tress. 
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On May 22, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Vincent Philion
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> it would be interesting to define “cool” in the southern California
>> context. ;-)
>> 
>> Temperature in the mid-90 (35 ℃ for the rest of the planet) (or more)
>> clearly isn’t favorable for blight. Flowers age faster at that
>> temperature, while the bacteria is slowed down.
>> 
>> Plus, if the trees are under water stress the bacteria can’t progress
>> normally.
>> 
>> Your “cool” is our “warm” and that’s why we struggle with FB, but also
>> scab and CM.
>> 
>> Vincent
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Le 22 mai 2017 à 00:29, kuffelcr...@kuffelcreek.com a écrit :
>>> 
>>> A long, cool spring here in Southern California allowed quite a few FB
>>> strikes, three days in the low to mid-90's stopped it in its tracks. 
>>> Formerly limp shoots with sticky ooze and now crispy and dry, and
pruned
>>> stumps do not get re-infection.  That's all I'll see of it until next
>>> spring, weeks of 100+ weather and 5% humidity sees to that. 
>>> Unfortunately
>>> it doesn't slow down the CM a bit, which is my next nemesis on the
>>> calendar.
>>> 
>>> Kevin Hauser
>>> Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
>>> Riverside, California
>>> Nakifuma, Uganda
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 22 May 2017 02:45:06 + (UTC), lee elliott
>>> 
>>> wrote:
 For the first year ever I havent seen any FB here is western
Illinois,
 could it be th 86 degree days we had burned it out, I believe FB
burns
>>> out
 after a few hot days, some dont believe this but experience has
taught
>>> me
 it is true, Shoot bligt and root sucker blight has allways been a
>>> problem,
 I am sceptical that these antobiotic sprays work at all, only good
for
>>> the
 blooms and chemical dealers, Copper does work well on young hursery
and
 non-bearing trees that get shoot blight where your not woried about
>>> fruit
 finish, My person opiniion, low soil levels of copper, (do a leaf
>>> anayisis)
 make the tree stressed and contribute to FB. Just my 2 cents worth,
Lee
 Elliott, Upstart Nursery, Winchester Illinois
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Re: [Apple-Crop] To head, or not to head: that is the tall spindle question.

[kuffelcreek]

In our apple orchards in the tropics the endless season would result in
whips 12'+ tall if we didn't intervene.  

I'd cut them back to 5' tall and notch above every bud to encourage
lateral branching; this should have been done in April when they just
started to push. I'd probably still do this now, though I'm open to hearing
from others why you shouldn't.

Kevin Hauser
Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
Riverside, California 
Nakifuma, Uganda


 On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:25:04 -0500, Doug Nelson
 wrote:
> Forgot to mention the picture I have attached is an example of one of
these
> poorly feather trees. My wires are two feet apart so you can see that
this
> tree is almost seven foot tall.
> 
> On Jul 3, 2017 4:22 PM, Doug Nelson 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm in my second year of growing apples. This year we planted 5000 apple
> trees tall spindle style. These will be used for upick.
> 
> The nursery I bought from gave me about a thousand terrible trees with
> almost no feathers.
> 
> I have sprayed heavily with Maxell to encourage lateral bud growth. Has
not
> work that well.
> 
> My Orchard is located right next to one of the Chicagolands largest
> commercial tree nurseries. The field manager of the nursery recently
> stopped by and told me he would encourage lateral growth by heading all
of
> these poorly feathered trees.
> 
> I know the rule with tall spindle is generally you never had the tree,
but
> I think the assumption  is that you have a lot of feathers.
> 
> Has anyone ever headed poorly feather trees to encourage lateral growth?
> What were your results?
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Re: [Apple-Crop] satiny vs papery skin

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Mosbah's comment rings true here in our hot dry climate of So. Calif.; our
Liberty apples look like they've been stepped on, almost to the point of a
donut peach. They still fatten up girth wise, but I've always thought it
was something to do with irrigation.  Thanks for solving a mystery.

Kevin Hauser
Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
Riverside, California


 On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 14:35:04 +, "Kushad, Mosbah M"

wrote:
> Brian :  Fruit shape and color are affected by growing climate/region..
> Red Delicious fruits grown in warmer climate are likely to be round or
flat
> while those in northern regions tend to be oblong (so called type or is
it
> typy like shiny).  I recall from memory that an extension publication
> showed that apples from North Carolina were more round and flat while
those
> from either NY or Washington? were oblong.  This is likely to be
regulated
> by hormones since you can make fruits more oblong shape with Promalin
(GA4
> +GA7 + 6-BA).   Skin finish is also affected by humidity and
temperature.
> High humidity and high temperature tend to make fruit color more dull
while
> low humidity and cooler daytime temperature tend to make fruit color
more
> shiny with smoother finish.
> 
> Mosbah Kushad, University of Illinois
> 
> From: apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] On
Behalf
> Of Brian Alan Caldwell
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2017 7:34 AM
> To: Apple-Crop discussion list 
> Subject: [Apple-Crop] satiny vs papery skin
> 
> I have two orchard locations, one in a valley and a nearby one on a
> hilltop.  I'm mystified by a "dry skin" quality in the valley farm.
> I graded Liberty apples last night and the differences between the two
> sites were dramatic.  Hilltop-smooth, satiny finish; dark color; long
"red
> delicious" shape.  Valley-shiny finish; bright color; spherical shape. 
> Jonagolds and Idareds from the valley have an almost papery skin; much
> smoother/waxier from the hilltop.
> I've seen this in past years too...
> Any ideas as to what is going on?
> 
> 
> Brian Caldwell
> Hemlock Grove Farm
> West Danby, NY
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Re: [apple-crop-2] what happens to apple trees near equator

[kuffelcreek]

No, they never go dormant and if left alone will have spindly, 12 foot
tall branches.  They develop an extremely vertical habit that is
unproductive.

We counter this by aggressively bending branches horizontal and pinching
back vertical suckers in order to form fruiting buds.  At the start of the
dry season we strip all the leaves manually, which causes the tree to think
that it has gone through a winter.  Since it is 80 degrees and 12 hours of
daylight length, it then thinks that it is spring and time to blossom and
bear fruit; this usually occurs 6-8 weeks after leaf stripping.  

We call this Tropic Apple Culture, and various varieties respond
differently to it, not always depending on their chilling hour rating.  I
surmise that by manually leaf stripping, the tree believes that the
chilling hour requirement, whatever it may be, has been satisfied; it then
goes on to blossom and fruit.  Mollie's Delicious was one of the first to
fruit for us, even before Anna.  Anna and Dorsett Golden fruit heavily the
third year, following in ensuing years by other varieties since we plant on
either seedling or M111 rootstock.

Many institutions still consider growing apples in the tropics
"experimental"; our farmers are way past that and sinking big money into
expanding their current apple orchards, usually with the crop completely
sold while it is still on the trees.

Kevin Hauser
Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery Uganda Ltd.
Riverside, California
Nakifuma, Uganda



On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:19:42 -0500, Doug Nelson
 wrote:
> I believe there are some on this list very near the equator. What
happens
> with apple trees near the equator? Do they go dormat even though you do
not
> have a fall season?
> 
> Doug Nelson
> Woodys Apple Farm
> Plano illnois
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