[apple-crop] 2. Re: Arctic Apples again - (Craig Tanner)
If my apple trees are close enough to a GMO orchard such that bees carry GMO pollen to my trees, that will contaminate my crop in two ways: 1) if my trees are certified organic, and testing reveals a GMO presence higher than a regulatory threshold (in Europe, .9 %), then my certification for that crop will be revoked. 2) if not organic, and I wish to export to Europe then the apples will be rejected if over .9% However, organic certification for my farm will not be affected so long as I take measures to prevent further contamination after a cooling=off period of 3 years. At present, I do not believe USDA has fixed the threshold for this type of contamination yet, but if Arctics are in the market, they will be obliged to. On Mon, 3/30/15, apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net wrote: Subject: apple-crop Digest, Vol 51, Issue 24 To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Date: Monday, March 30, 2015, 4:31 PM Send apple-crop mailing list submissions to apple-crop@virtualorchard.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net You can reach the person managing the list at apple-crop-ow...@virtualorchard.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of apple-crop digest... Today's Topics: 1. non-GMO non-browning apples (David Doud) 2. Re: Arctic Apples again - (Craig Tanner) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:41:42 -0400 From: David Doud david_d...@me.com To: Apple-Crop apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: [apple-crop] non-GMO non-browning apples Message-ID: 8e35364e-e8ba-43ce-b4d4-39feb897f...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If anyone has a need for an apple that doesn't brown, I'd be happy to send a stick or three of 'Sweet Emma', a chance seedling from grandfathers farm - white flesh that doesn't ever even hint of turning brown even while it dries to a crisp - a little flattened, red, 2.75, ripe early Oct, mild sweet crisp like a RD would dream of being - vigorous tree, early blooming, very scab susceptible, doesn't fill bins like Melrose or Mutsu, loses quality in six weeks (would probably respond well to 'Smart-Fresh') - I sell quite a few between Oct 5 and Thanksgiving - No charge - no obligation - David Doud -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 15:25:06 -0500 From: Craig Tanner cr...@tannersorchard.com To: 'Apple-crop discussion list' apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Arctic Apples again - Message-ID: B9C45958024149E6BC95EB5CA7D78B52@CraigTannerPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GMO apples may contaminate nearby organic and conventional apple orchards and could potentially cause valuable export markets to reject U.S. apples as happened in past when wheat and rice crops were found to be contaminated by GMOs. A - See more at: http://www.foe.org/projects/food-and-technology/genetic-engineering/no-gmo-a pples#sthash.FRll2V3z.dpuf what? how? this statement makes my head spin Craig Tanner Tanners Orchard, Ltd. Speer, IL 309-493-5442 309-493-5741 fax 306-360-5610 cell _ From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of David Doud Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 11:28 AM To: Apple-Crop Subject: [apple-crop] Arctic Apples again - Sorry to beat this, but I think it's in our interest to stay informed - if the powers that be want me to give it a rest, I will - I copy and paste an email that went out to subscribers to Well.org - it was forwarded to me - I am unfamiliar with this organization and a peek at their website doesn't impress and the website itself doesn't have any content about Arctic Apples - I've been made aware of at least one other organization promoting anti-Arctic Apple sentiment - http://www.foe.org/projects/food-and-technology/genetic-engineering/no-gmo-a pples I investigated the claim that McDonald's and Gerber... and it's not as presented - they have 'no plans' because there is no product available to buy, but they have not rejected and Gerber specifically admits and defends using GMO products - Looks like battle lines are being drawn and strategies arctic-ulated - David Doud peach leaf curl spray this week - 2012 on this date was apple full bloom - not at silver tip yet this year, but soon - You're hearing from us because you subscribed via http://vitaloriginswellorgllc.cmail2.com/t/t-l-thbijk-illrihdyd-j/ Well.org. Last year, we released the Origins documentary for free to over
Re: [apple-crop] 2. Re: Arctic Apples again - (Craig Tanner)
Based on what i think I know (and someone correct me if I’ve missed something), GMO pollen carried by bees to your apple orchards will NOT generate GMO content in your apples unless you actually test the apple seeds that form inside the fruit. Unlike corn, wheat, and other grain crops where we eat the seeds, apples seeds generally are not consumer. While cross-pollination is required to make apples grow, the pollen carried to fruit in your orchards only affects the seeds. The fruit grow from the base of the flower, and that tissue would not be changed as a result of pollination with a GMO apple. If the DNA of the fruit themselves changed depending on the pollen source, then we would end up with a wild mixture of fruit sizes, shapes, colors, etc. on every tree every year. Thus, the question then might be whether testing for GMO apples will involve testing of the fruit that people actually eat, or of the seeds within that fruit despite the fact that seeds are discarded when apples are eaten? I suppose some folks might be concerned about “contaminating” their compost heap with apple seeds that might have a small percentage of GMO in the seed DNA. I suspect that those would be the same folks who reported (in a SARE study many years ago), that they felt better when wearing a sweater made from the wool of organically raised sheep. Dave Rosenberger, Plant Pathologist, Hudson Valley Lab, P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528 Cell: 845-594-3060 http://blogs.cornell.edu/plantpathhvl/blog-2014/ On Mar 30, 2015, at 9:17 PM, Arthur Harvey arthurhar...@yahoo.com wrote: If my apple trees are close enough to a GMO orchard such that bees carry GMO pollen to my trees, that will contaminate my crop in two ways: 1) if my trees are certified organic, and testing reveals a GMO presence higher than a regulatory threshold (in Europe, .9 %), then my certification for that crop will be revoked. 2) if not organic, and I wish to export to Europe then the apples will be rejected if over .9% However, organic certification for my farm will not be affected so long as I take measures to prevent further contamination after a cooling=off period of 3 years. At present, I do not believe USDA has fixed the threshold for this type of contamination yet, but if Arctics are in the market, they will be obliged to. On Mon, 3/30/15, apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net wrote: Subject: apple-crop Digest, Vol 51, Issue 24 To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Date: Monday, March 30, 2015, 4:31 PM Send apple-crop mailing list submissions to apple-crop@virtualorchard.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net You can reach the person managing the list at apple-crop-ow...@virtualorchard.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of apple-crop digest... Today's Topics: 1. non-GMO non-browning apples (David Doud) 2. Re: Arctic Apples again - (Craig Tanner) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:41:42 -0400 From: David Doud david_d...@me.com To: Apple-Crop apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: [apple-crop] non-GMO non-browning apples Message-ID: 8e35364e-e8ba-43ce-b4d4-39feb897f...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If anyone has a need for an apple that doesn't brown, I'd be happy to send a stick or three of 'Sweet Emma', a chance seedling from grandfathers farm - white flesh that doesn't ever even hint of turning brown even while it dries to a crisp - a little flattened, red, 2.75, ripe early Oct, mild sweet crisp like a RD would dream of being - vigorous tree, early blooming, very scab susceptible, doesn't fill bins like Melrose or Mutsu, loses quality in six weeks (would probably respond well to 'Smart-Fresh') - I sell quite a few between Oct 5 and Thanksgiving - No charge - no obligation - David Doud -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 15:25:06 -0500 From: Craig Tanner cr...@tannersorchard.com To: 'Apple-crop discussion list' apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Arctic Apples again - Message-ID: B9C45958024149E6BC95EB5CA7D78B52@CraigTannerPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GMO apples may contaminate nearby organic and conventional apple orchards and could potentially cause valuable export markets to reject U.S. apples as happened in past when wheat and rice crops were found to be contaminated by GMOs. A - See more at:
