Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard
Fact sheets on tall spindle, vertical axis, slender pyramid (not recommended in NY), and slender axis systems are available online at www.fruit.cornell.edu specific links are, respectively http://www.fruit.cornell.edu/tree_fruit/resources/The%20Tall%20Spindle%20Planting%20System.pdf http://www.fruit.cornell.edu/tree_fruit/resources/The%20Vertical%20Axis%20Planting%20System.pdf http://www.fruit.cornell.edu/tree_fruit/resources/The%20Slender%20Pyramid%20Planting%20System.pdf http://www.fruit.cornell.edu/tree_fruit/resources/The%20Slender%20Axis%20System.pdf These are on the tree fruit production page at http://www.fruit.cornell.edu/tree_fruit/GPGeneral.html -Julie Juliet E. Carroll, PhD Fruit IPM Coordinator, New York State IPM Program Joint Faculty, Plant Pathology Plant-Microbe Biology Cornell University 630 W. North St., Geneva, NY 14456 315-787-2430 (Fax -2360) j...@cornell.edu NYS IPM http://www.nysipm.cornell.edu/ Cornell Fruit Resources http://www.fruit.cornell.edu/ NEWA Pest Forecasts http://newa.cornell.edu Trac Software http://nysipm.cornell.edu/trac/ Integrated Pest Management Cornell Cooperative Extension At 07:37 PM 1/31/2010, you wrote: I am intrigued by the option of using metal stakes (best angle?) for smaller plantings (several acres) and with very hi-density systems (tall-spindle or super spindle, 3 ft or 2 ft between trees respectively) on, for example, B.9 rootstock. But I have been told they will not hold up? I am thinking row lengths of several hundred feet, placing the stakes every 10 meters (30 feet) or so, 10 ft. tall stakes driven 2.5 feet into ground puts the top wire at 7.5 feet. Seems cost-effective, easy to run wires through holes, easy to drive (compared to wood) and should be OK for organic. Need to figure out the end-support I suppose. What am I missing? Jon On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Gary Mount gbmo...@alumni.princeton.edu wrote: I will be planting an orchard for organic production this year and am looking for a solution to obtaining posts. As far as I know, treated posts are not acceptable in the NOP (I would love to stand corrected on this one) and I don,t like metal posts very much. I saw some really nice concrete posts at Fruit Logistica last winter in Berlin, but don't know of any in the USA. Can anyone point me in the right direction? - Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- JMCEXTMAN Jon Clements cleme...@umext.umass.edu aka 'Mr Liberty' aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' IM mrhoneycrisp 413.478.7219 -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard
I have Hedge posts (osage orange) that have been in the ground since the50's and not rotten yet, They grow on the farm and are ffree for cutting, Downside is they grow crooked but will make trellis posts that last as long as you will. Lee Elliott Winchester, il --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Gary Mount gbmo...@alumni.princeton.edu wrote: From: Gary Mount gbmo...@alumni.princeton.edu Subject: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 7:34 PM I will be planting an orchard for organic production this year and am looking for a solution to obtaining posts. As far as I know, treated posts are not acceptable in the NOP (I would love to stand corrected on this one) and I don,t like metal posts very much. I saw some really nice concrete posts at Fruit Logistica last winter in Berlin, but don't know of any in the USA. Can anyone point me in the right direction? - Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard
...Hedge posts (osage orange) that have been in the ground since the50's and not rotten yet... Correct - but be forewarned, they can actually take root, and become rows of osage orange trees, as many old rural roadsides in Ohio can attest. --- Dave Meyer From: lee elliott Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:28 AM To: Apple-Crop Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard I have Hedge posts (osage orange) that have been in the ground since the50's and not rotten yet, They grow on the farm and are ffree for cutting, Downside is they grow crooked but will make trellis posts that last as long as you will. Lee Elliott Winchester, il --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Gary Mount gbmo...@alumni.princeton.edu wrote: From: Gary Mount gbmo...@alumni.princeton.edu Subject: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 7:34 PM I will be planting an orchard for organic production this year and am looking for a solution to obtaining posts. As far as I know, treated posts are not acceptable in the NOP (I would love to stand corrected on this one) and I don,t like metal posts very much. I saw some really nice concrete posts at Fruit Logistica last winter in Berlin, but don't know of any in the USA. Can anyone point me in the right direction? - Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2658 - Release Date: 01/30/10 14:35:00
Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard
I am intrigued by the option of using metal stakes (best angle?) for smaller plantings (several acres) and with very hi-density systems (tall-spindle or super spindle, 3 ft or 2 ft between trees respectively) on, for example, B.9 rootstock. But I have been told they will not hold up? I am thinking row lengths of several hundred feet, placing the stakes every 10 meters (30 feet) or so, 10 ft. tall stakes driven 2.5 feet into ground puts the top wire at 7.5 feet. Seems cost-effective, easy to run wires through holes, easy to drive (compared to wood) and should be OK for organic. Need to figure out the end-support I suppose. What am I missing? Jon On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Gary Mount gbmo...@alumni.princeton.edu wrote: I will be planting an orchard for organic production this year and am looking for a solution to obtaining posts. As far as I know, treated posts are not acceptable in the NOP (I would love to stand corrected on this one) and I don,t like metal posts very much. I saw some really nice concrete posts at Fruit Logistica last winter in Berlin, but don't know of any in the USA. Can anyone point me in the right direction? - Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- JMCEXTMAN Jon Clements cleme...@umext.umass.edu aka 'Mr Liberty' aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' IM mrhoneycrisp 413.478.7219 -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard
I have some rows that are 375 ft long supported by Best Angle stakes that are in their 14th year. A Vert Axe system on M9 at 5X15. I have been very careful to keep large limbs out of the tops. The Best Angle stakes are the largest ones, 10' long and about every 30'. So far so good. We used the same system in 2002 on more 375' rows. So far so good on those as well. The end anchors are either buried wheel rims or those helix anchors. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME - Original Message - From: Jon Clements jmcext...@gmail.com To: Apple-Crop apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard I am intrigued by the option of using metal stakes (best angle?) for smaller plantings (several acres) and with very hi-density systems (tall-spindle or super spindle, 3 ft or 2 ft between trees respectively) on, for example, B.9 rootstock. But I have been told they will not hold up? I am thinking row lengths of several hundred feet, placing the stakes every 10 meters (30 feet) or so, 10 ft. tall stakes driven 2.5 feet into ground puts the top wire at 7.5 feet. Seems cost-effective, easy to run wires through holes, easy to drive (compared to wood) and should be OK for organic. Need to figure out the end-support I suppose. What am I missing? Jon On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Gary Mount gbmo...@alumni.princeton.edu wrote: I will be planting an orchard for organic production this year and am looking for a solution to obtaining posts. As far as I know, treated posts are not acceptable in the NOP (I would love to stand corrected on this one) and I don,t like metal posts very much. I saw some really nice concrete posts at Fruit Logistica last winter in Berlin, but don't know of any in the USA. Can anyone point me in the right direction? - Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- JMCEXTMAN Jon Clements cleme...@umext.umass.edu aka 'Mr Liberty' aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' IM mrhoneycrisp 413.478.7219 -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard
From: lee elliott I have Hedge posts (osage orange) that have been in the ground since the50's and not rotten yet, They grow on the farm and are ffree for cutting, Downside is they grow crooked but will make trellis posts that last as long as you will. Lee Elliott Winchester, il I split many a black locust post in my youth, and can tell you they will also last 40 years in the ground. They are so hard it's practically impossible to staple to them, though. Dave Green Catalpa wood is rot resistant and easier to staple into, Folks in the Amish communities know where to find black locust, caltalpa, and osage orange. We always check Kime Lumber Co in Charm, Ohio. They may not have the materials but the people who work there always know where to find it. -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard
For my new tall spindle orchard I am putting in this spring I was going to use Best Angle stakes just like you mentioned with larger end posts. However, I wanted my trellis to be 10 ft tall to maximize space and custom run stakes would need to be produced to get the 12' length. With the small quantity I needed, it was not possible. I do have Best Angle stakes on other trees and they are nice but they are too expensive for single stakes at every tree for the new training systems. I am still going to do a metal trellis but with the help of my local fence builder. Maybe the original poster could do the recycled decking material for posts. I have seen a few pictures of trellises with this. Nick Lucking Field Manager Cannon Valley Orchard Cannon Falls, MN -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard
Has anyone tried white cedar? It is mentioned in the new organic growers guide out of New York and Cornell. A Grower’s Guide to Organic ApplesI am actually trying to hunt down a supplier in the upper midwest for a new tall spindle planting I have planned. -Joe --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Nick Lucking podracer1...@comcast.net wrote: From: Nick Lucking podracer1...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:43 PM For my new tall spindle orchard I am putting in this spring I was going to use Best Angle stakes just like you mentioned with larger end posts. However, I wanted my trellis to be 10 ft tall to maximize space and custom run stakes would need to be produced to get the 12' length. With the small quantity I needed, it was not possible. I do have Best Angle stakes on other trees and they are nice but they are too expensive for single stakes at every tree for the new training systems. I am still going to do a metal trellis but with the help of my local fence builder. Maybe the original poster could do the recycled decking material for posts. I have seen a few pictures of trellises with this. Nick Lucking Field Manager Cannon Valley Orchard Cannon Falls, MN -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchardhttp://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and JonClements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not representofficial opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility forthe content.
Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard
I will be planting an orchard for organic production this year and am looking for a solution to obtaining posts. As far as I know, treated posts are not acceptable in the NOP (I would love to stand corrected on this one) and I don,t like metal posts very much. I saw some really nice concrete posts at Fruit Logistica last winter in Berlin, but don't know of any in the USA. Can anyone point me in the right direction? - Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
