[arch-general] GSoC 2011 - Join forces
Hello, there seem to be some interest in the participation of Arch Linux on GSoC 2011. The ArchServer community has decided to participate, but since we are a small and quite new project, we do not think to get accepted. So why not join forces in this effort. I guess we do have similar goals (e.g. every Arch Linux based distro will benefit from the extension of pacman). ArchServer can bring the application to the plate, which will need to get adapted to the new structure obviously (http://wiki.archserver.org/index.php/GSoC2011_Application). I envision some umbrella project for Arch Linux, ArchServer and probably even other Arch Linux based distros. Of course we do have a very tough timeframe to get this up. What do you think? R, Markus
Re: [arch-general] Dropping Oracle OpenOffice
+1 I see common sense in arch!! :)
On 8 March 2011 07:04, Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net wrote:
You should know replacing Oracle OpenOffice also does the accessibility
crowd that uses orca a huge favor too. The Libri OpenOffice packages work
better with Orca in several versions and don't crash because orca is
running on the systems.On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:
On 07.03.2011 18:45, Andreas Radke wrote:
LibreOffice has recently proved to be a solid replacement for Oracle
OpenOffice. I'm about to drop all Oracle OOo packages from our repos.
First my time is limited. I've asked so many times for help in the
Office packaging area and nobody stepped in.
Then there's the poor distribution support Oracle spends on the
distributions. They almost do not care about custom distribution builds
and their interest. They break the build against system libs
every now and then and it takes ages to contact the relevant devs to
fix their bugs. Development is only driven by the profit interests of
Oracle... You can put in here all the arguments the Document foundation
has given at its birth.
So don't expect any efforts to fix bugs in Oracle packages anymore. As
soon as they will break due to a .so name bump or something like this
I'll remove all the packages from our repos if nobody else is willing
to maintain them.
Any objections to add
replaces=('openoffice-base') to the next LibO pkg?
-Andy
+1
Solid and pragmatic suggestion.
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Re: [arch-general] Sharing data between Windows 7 and Archlinux
I used samba once, IIRC it was very simple. On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: What kind of Desktop Environment are you using? As far as I know GNOME offers to ability to share folders, which can be configured through a GUI. Otherwise you will have to setup Samba manually, which can be tricky sometimes and needs some read up. Best regards, Karol Babioch I will be using awesomeWM -- have a nice day -jck
Re: [arch-general] Dropping Oracle OpenOffice
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:00 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: just an fyi, openoffice itself is *huge* and now that it is going to be dropped to the aur, it will most likely lose all audience because of how long it takes to compile from source. + libreoffice is just a better version of openoffice imo, so there should really be no one that uses it. People who want openoffice will probably just use the -bin packages?
Re: [arch-general] GSoC 2011 - Join forces
2011/3/8 Markus M. May m...@javafreedom.org: Hello, there seem to be some interest in the participation of Arch Linux on GSoC 2011. The ArchServer community has decided to participate, but since we are a small and quite new project, we do not think to get accepted. So why not join forces in this effort. I guess we do have similar goals (e.g. every Arch Linux based distro will benefit from the extension of pacman). ArchServer can bring the application to the plate, which will need to get adapted to the new structure obviously (http://wiki.archserver.org/index.php/GSoC2011_Application). I envision some umbrella project for Arch Linux, ArchServer and probably even other Arch Linux based distros. Of course we do have a very tough timeframe to get this up. What do you think? R, Markus Nice, From the Dev side of Arch, count with me, though I am not Pacman Developer, but I do know pacman and I could spend some of my time on this project. I did a page several weeks ago [1], feel free to complement it with the info according to Arch and we have to send the application to GSoC soon.. Drop me a mail anything you need. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GSoC_2011 -- Angel Velásquez angvp @ irc.freenode.net Arch Linux Developer / Trusted User Linux Counter: #359909 http://www.angvp.com
[arch-general] [signoff] kernel26-2.6.37.3-1
Hi guys, - bump to latest version greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tp...@archlinux.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [arch-general] [signoff] kernel26-2.6.37.3-1
Am 08.03.2011 13:25, schrieb Tobias Powalowski: Hi guys, - bump to latest version greetings tpowa signoff x86_64 -- Regards, Richard Schütz
Re: [arch-general] Dropping Oracle OpenOffice
2011/3/7 Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com: On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:00 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: just an fyi, openoffice itself is *huge* and now that it is going to be dropped to the aur, it will most likely lose all audience because of how long it takes to compile from source. + libreoffice is just a better version of openoffice imo, so there should really be no one that uses it. People who want openoffice will probably just use the -bin packages? You got it, unless someone is dedicated :P
Re: [arch-general] Dropping Oracle OpenOffice
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 10:22 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: 2011/3/7 Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com: On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:00 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: just an fyi, openoffice itself is *huge* and now that it is going to be dropped to the aur, it will most likely lose all audience because of how long it takes to compile from source. + libreoffice is just a better version of openoffice imo, so there should really be no one that uses it. People who want openoffice will probably just use the -bin packages? You got it, unless someone is dedicated :P Dedicated to the relatively-closed and more-constrained version of whats in the repos. Sure =) The distros have jumped fast, but I'm wondering about the Windows users of openoffice, seems to me none of them would try libreoffice just because its there (and frankly the politics of the thing just doesn't cut it with most users in that camp). Idle thoughts...
Re: [arch-general] rotc-ethernet package in aur
On 03/08/11 04:06, edac...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/07/2011 09:55 PM, kurrata wrote: I made a update for package rotc-ethernet in aur and submited it. When i do makepkg locally it works but when i try to install it thought yaourt i get this error: [martins@sazan rotc-ethernet]$yaourt -S rotc-ethernet == Installing from a package list Password: error: './rotc.bin': could not find repository for target == Downloading cd PKGBUILD from AUR... x LICENSE x PKGBUILD First Submitted: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:59:30 + cd 5.3-3 : C platform-independent graphics library. ( Unsupported package: Potentially dangerous ! ) == Edit PKGBUILD ? [Y/n] (A to abort) == == ^C [martins@sazan rotc-ethernet]$ [martins@sazan rotc-ethernet]$^C I am doing something wrong or it is yaourts fault? AUR link: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=29456 Try yaourt rotc-ethernet or yaourt -Sa rotc-ethernet. It works with yaourt -Sa. anyone has any idea why normal yaourt -S didn't work?
Re: [arch-general] Sharing data between Windows 7 and Archlinux
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.comwrote: I will be using awesomeWM FWIW, that doesn't stop you from using the gnome or kde libs for ... well, whatever. You'll likely end up with one, the other, or both on your system at some point anyhow.
Re: [arch-general] rotc-ethernet package in aur
On 08 Mar 20:21, kurrata wrote: On 03/08/11 04:06, edac...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/07/2011 09:55 PM, kurrata wrote: I made a update for package rotc-ethernet in aur and submited it. When i do makepkg locally it works but when i try to install it thought yaourt i get this error: [martins@sazan rotc-ethernet]$yaourt -S rotc-ethernet == Installing from a package list Password: error: './rotc.bin': could not find repository for target == Downloading cd PKGBUILD from AUR... x LICENSE x PKGBUILD First Submitted: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:59:30 + cd 5.3-3 : C platform-independent graphics library. ( Unsupported package: Potentially dangerous ! ) == Edit PKGBUILD ? [Y/n] (A to abort) == == ^C [martins@sazan rotc-ethernet]$ [martins@sazan rotc-ethernet]$^C I am doing something wrong or it is yaourts fault? AUR link: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=29456 Try yaourt rotc-ethernet or yaourt -Sa rotc-ethernet. It works with yaourt -Sa. anyone has any idea why normal yaourt -S didn't work? because yaourt without the -a doesn't look at aur?
[arch-general] HTTP Custom Mirror on Install
Good Evening, I was trying to use a custom mirror during an install today, it is only a HTTP server currently. Is this a problem, does it need to be ftp? As the mirror does work with pacman after install. Thanks! Tom
Re: [arch-general] HTTP Custom Mirror on Install
I tried http://ip/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch , but pacman says it cannot find them the different tar.gz files to download, but once I install Arch, and add the mirror to mirrorlist as Server = http://ip/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch it works great. Will keep trying to get it work :). Thanks, Tom -Original Message- From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org [mailto:arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Juhani Jaara Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:18 PM To: arch-general@archlinux.org Subject: Re: [arch-general] HTTP Custom Mirror on Install ti, 2011-03-08 kello 18:39 -0500, Thomas Misilo kirjoitti: Good Evening, I was trying to use a custom mirror during an install today, it is only a HTTP server currently. Is this a problem, does it need to be ftp? As the mirror does work with pacman after install. Thanks! Tom There are no limitations on the protocol used, as long as the program used for the downloading supports it. By default atleas ftp, http and local repositories are supported.
Re: [arch-general] HTTP Custom Mirror on Install
On 09/03/11 13:55, Thomas Misilo wrote: I tried , but pacman says it cannot find them the different tar.gz files to download, but once I install Arch, and add the mirror to mirrorlist as Server = http://ip/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch it works great. Will keep trying to get it work :). Thanks, Tom Maybe need to expand $repo and $arch in case they are not available in the environment you are working in, try something like http://ip/archlinux/stable/os/x86_64
[arch-general] Build in clean chroot
I have a chroot devel environment like this
/home+build/
/ root/ - srch chroot build
made with mkarchroot
//trinity.source - a symlink ie ln -s
../trinity.source
/ copy- made by makechrootpkg
/ pkgbuild - where the pkgbuild live
/ trinity.source - a subversion repo
checkout of source code
I then fetch the subversion rev level to use as the pkgver number like this
_source=trinity.source
_module=kdepim
cd ${_source}/${_module}
pkgver=$(svnversion)
This gives me an error
/build/PKGBUILD: line 25: cd: /trinity.source/kdepim: Too many levels of
symbolic links
I want to symlink the svn repo to inside the chroot so when
makechrootpkg -c -r chrootdir creates the clean copy it doesn't have
to copy the entire svn source code to the clean copy, as it is almost 2G
is size.
Anyone know of a way to get around this?
[arch-general] Several advices about Perl Package Packaging Standards
Hey,guys I have several thoughts about perl packages packing standards. First,It seems to me that renaming spamassassin to perl-mail-spamassassin which following the cpan perl packages naming standard is better.May be we can add a feature to PKGBULD that allowing package have several alias.Ex,perl-mail-spamassassin should be the official name and spamassassin could be the common name or aliase.Both official name and standard name can be installed or qureied using pacman,but official name mostly used in programing and official posts. Second,the URL variable of perl package's PKGBUILD should be restriced to cpan permanent urls (like:http://search.cpan.org/dist/*) even if the project has its own home page,and the cpan will link to the project's real homepage if exits. What do you think?
Re: [arch-general] Several advices about Perl Package Packaging Standards
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 10:58 AM, 郑文辉 techlivezh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey,guys I have several thoughts about perl packages packing standards. First,It seems to me that renaming spamassassin to perl-mail-spamassassin which following the cpan perl packages naming standard is better.May be we can add a feature to PKGBULD that allowing package have several alias.Ex,perl-mail-spamassassin should be the official name and spamassassin could be the common name or aliase.Both official name and standard name can be installed or qureied using pacman,but official name mostly used in programing and official posts. Spamassassin is used as a daemon, which happens to use perl. If it is not necessarily used as a perl module, why should we rename it into perl-something? Should we rename all c packages into c-* and bash scripts into bash-*? Second,the URL variable of perl package's PKGBUILD should be restriced to cpan permanent urls (like:http://search.cpan.org/dist/*) even if the project has its own home page,and the cpan will link to the project's real homepage if exits. And I don't think using CPAN as the package main page URL is a good way if the package upstream has its own page. CPAN is downstream compared to the package's own page. I am not an Arch developer. This is simply my own opinion. Best Regards,
Re: [arch-general] Several advices about Perl Package Packaging Standards
2011/3/9 Auguste Pop augu...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 10:58 AM, 郑文辉 techlivezh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey,guys I have several thoughts about perl packages packing standards. First,It seems to me that renaming spamassassin to perl-mail-spamassassin which following the cpan perl packages naming standard is better.May be we can add a feature to PKGBULD that allowing package have several alias.Ex,perl-mail-spamassassin should be the official name and spamassassin could be the common name or aliase.Both official name and standard name can be installed or qureied using pacman,but official name mostly used in programing and official posts. Spamassassin is used as a daemon, which happens to use perl. If it is not necessarily used as a perl module, why should we rename it into perl-something? Should we rename all c packages into c-* and bash scripts into bash-*? Second,the URL variable of perl package's PKGBUILD should be restriced to cpan permanent urls (like:http://search.cpan.org/dist/*) even if the project has its own home page,and the cpan will link to the project's real homepage if exits. And I don't think using CPAN as the package main page URL is a good way if the package upstream has its own page. CPAN is downstream compared to the package's own page. I am not an Arch developer. This is simply my own opinion. Best Regards, Auguste, I share your opinion. -1 to that proposal, users of spamassasin doesn't even know that spamassasin is coded on perl . -- Angel Velásquez angvp @ irc.freenode.net Arch Linux Developer / Trusted User Linux Counter: #359909 http://www.angvp.com
Re: [arch-general] Several advices about Perl Package Packaging Standards
2011/3/8 Ángel Velásquez an...@archlinux.org I share your opinion. -1 to that proposal, users of spamassasin doesn't even know that spamassasin is coded on perl . Another -1 from me. If I saw a package called perl-mail-spamassasin, I'd assume it was a library for interfacing with spamassasin from perl code.
Re: [arch-general] Several advices about Perl Package Packaging Standards
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote: I'd assume it was a library for interfacing with spamassasin from perl code. bingo ... lang-lib/app/* == binding/interface/bridge/etc/etc ... this is the defacto scheme that extends far beyond cpan. i would have naturally thought the same thing, and been even more confused to learn otherwise. On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:58 PM, techlivezh...@gmail.com wrote: even if the project has its own home page,and the cpan will link to the project's real homepage if exits. i don't understand; why would anything _ever_ trump the projects official page? who the expletive deleted is CPAN anyway ;-) disclaimer: i don't know much about the perl community as i only dip into perl when the need arises, but this feels 99.2% wrong to me. C Anthony
Re: [arch-general] Dropping Oracle OpenOffice
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net wrote: For such a transition, I think it will be helpful for everybody using arch-linux to name aall libri-openoffice packages libri-openoffice-supported and all oracle-openoffice packages oracle-openoffice-unsupported. Debian at any rate has a playground area where unsupported packages go within its repositories as well. That might get the message across to even windows users. Certainly if I do a new installation of arch-linux I'd want libri-openoffice-supported on my system as opposed to anything else.On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:00 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: just an fyi, openoffice itself is *huge* and now that it is going to be dropped to the aur, it will most likely lose all audience because of how long it takes to compile from source. + libreoffice is just a better version of openoffice imo, so there should really be no one that uses it. People who want openoffice will probably just use the -bin packages? I think naming the libreoffice packages libre-openoffice packages is just misleading. People should learn the new name.
Re: [arch-general] Dropping Oracle OpenOffice
2011/3/9 Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net: For such a transition, I think it will be helpful for everybody using arch-linux to name aall libri-openoffice packages libri-openoffice-supported and all oracle-openoffice packages oracle-openoffice-unsupported. Debian at any rate has a playground area where unsupported packages go within its repositories as well. That might get the message across to even windows users. Certainly if I do a new installation of arch-linux I'd want libri-openoffice-supported on my system as opposed to anything else.On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:00 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: just an fyi, openoffice itself is *huge* and now that it is going to be dropped to the aur, it will most likely lose all audience because of how long it takes to compile from source. + libreoffice is just a better version of openoffice imo, so there should really be no one that uses it. People who want openoffice will probably just use the -bin packages? For Arch Linux,the AUR Repo is UNSUPPORTED，and Offical Repo is always supported,so i think it is unnecessary to name like that.
Re: [arch-general] Dropping Oracle OpenOffice
2011/3/9 Thomas Dziedzic gos...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net wrote: For such a transition, I think it will be helpful for everybody using arch-linux to name aall libri-openoffice packages libri-openoffice-supported and all oracle-openoffice packages oracle-openoffice-unsupported. Debian at any rate has a playground area where unsupported packages go within its repositories as well. That might get the message across to even windows users. Certainly if I do a new installation of arch-linux I'd want libri-openoffice-supported on my system as opposed to anything else.On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:00 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: just an fyi, openoffice itself is *huge* and now that it is going to be dropped to the aur, it will most likely lose all audience because of how long it takes to compile from source. + libreoffice is just a better version of openoffice imo, so there should really be no one that uses it. People who want openoffice will probably just use the -bin packages? I think naming the libreoffice packages libre-openoffice packages is just misleading. People should learn the new name. +1 LibreOffice is perfect,and the old openoffice name should be mentioned in the package description.
