Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:49:26 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: Gentoo might make systemd the default init system in the future. Nobody can say if and when this could heppen but this is clearly possible for OpenRC to become a Gentoo init system _alternative_. This is why I think that switching to OpenRC *now* would be wrong. I doubt it would get onto Hardened Gentoo. So in order to gain a slight speed increase in booting, which can be done in other ways (Alpine boots faster than any systemd enabled system). Please give me examples of any other valuable benefits. We are going to sacrifice, simplicity, amount of code to look for bugs and most importantly, ease of troubleshooting. One of the beauties of Unix is the error information. Aren't they all going to be mixed together on systemd. Imagine if all drivers loaded at once. Ughh Would many resort to Windows style trial and error more often. p.s. I'm sure many will disagree on this seperate point but whilst I like the pretty startup and colors of arch, I have been annoyed in the past whilst being used to OpenBSD that I have to look at many files for pacman and functions.sh etc.. If there's a bug I need to fix, I prefer not to have to dig around and prefer to know it's somewhere right in front of my eyeballs without thinking about what tab in my editor I'm on, the sames true to me of overuse of inline functions. Code location sporadity and use of binary files seems annoyingly on the increase (not Arches fault). OpenBSD has several files and recently a directory as part of init. They have tried to keep this to as few as possible in case the user wants to lock it down, it has other great benefits. This simplicity surely fits with Arch.
Re: [arch-general] Google Voice through iptables?
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:28:00AM -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:56:47 +0800 Bill Sun cap.sensit...@gmail.com wrote: So... does your GV work now? Yes! (Oops, I forgot to mention that...) Thanks.
Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: We are going to sacrifice, simplicity, amount of code to look for bugs and most importantly, ease of troubleshooting. One of the beauties of Unix is the error information. Aren't they all going to be mixed together on systemd. Imagine if all drivers loaded at once. Ughh Would many resort to Windows style trial and error more often. One of the features of systemd is the large amount of metadata the journal colllects. This allows filtering on the message source, for example. Right now that's just the process (and service) that generated them, but with the coming udev integration and kernel logging improvements, you will also be able to view kernel messages by device or module.
[arch-general] Boot error
rc.sysinit call mountpoint but that package soes not exist in a new install. what package contains mountpoint?
Re: [arch-general] Boot error
On 04/27/2012 01:42 PM, Baho Utot wrote: rc.sysinit call mountpoint but that package soes not exist in a new install. what package contains mountpoint? util-linux contains this program, but if util-linux does seem to be not installed, something's gone very wrong. What did you try do? Fresh install of Archlinux? Greetings, Christoph signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Boot error
On 04/27/2012 01:12 PM, Christoph Vigano wrote: On 04/27/2012 01:42 PM, Baho Utot wrote: rc.sysinit call mountpoint but that package soes not exist in a new install. what package contains mountpoint? util-linux contains this program, but if util-linux does seem to be not installed, something's gone very wrong. What did you try do? Fresh install of Archlinux? Greetings, Christoph Yes fresh install for x86_64 from the latest iso downloaded a few weeks ago. I did the following: root@sitting-bull ~]# pacman -S util-linux warning: util-linux-2.21.1-2 is up to date -- reinstalling resolving dependencies... looking for inter-conflicts... Targets (1): util-linux-2.21.1-2 Total Installed Size: 7.38 MiB Net Upgrade Size: 0.00 MiB Proceed with installation? [Y/n] (1/1) checking package integrity [] 10 (1/1) loading package files [] 10 (1/1) checking for file conflicts [] 10 (1/1) checking available disk space [] 10 (1/1) upgrading util-linux [] 10 [root@sitting-bull ~]# mountpoint Usage: mountpoint [-qd] /path/to/directory mountpoint -x /dev/device Options: -q, --quietquiet mode - don't print anything -d, --fs-devno print maj:min device number of the filesystem -x, --devnoprint maj:min device number of the block device -h, --help this help For more information see mountpoint(1). [root@sitting-bull ~]# mountpoint Before the reinstall mountpoint was not installed as I searched for it find / -name mountpoint and it found nothing Thanks for your input.
Re: [arch-general] RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch
El 26/04/12 09:46, David C. Rankin escribió: KISS - If it ain't broke, don't fix it I'm sure some may have needs that exceed what the current initscripts can provide, the simple efficient Arch way has done, and continues to do, quite well. +1
Re: [arch-general] Packages getting smaller?
Hi, Am 17.04.2012 03:23, schrieb Damjan: not any more Well, there are quite a few upgrades (meaning a change in the upstream version) within your showed output. The tendency for upstream releases is to get bigger, so when updating a bunch of them (just like you did), there is absolutely no surprise when the resulting installed size will get bigger, too. However I've also noticed the drop in size for some packages. I will have to investigate this deeper, but there seem to be some (huge) improvements coming along with the gcc release. Just another reason to love Arch. I guess we are among the firsts who made the switch ;). Best regards, Karol Babioch signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
