[arch-general] [signoff] linux-3.4.8-1
Hi guys, please signoff 3.4.8 series for both arches. package is not in testing, please grab it from here: http://dev.archlinux.org/~tpowa/linux/ This will move to [core] directly, because 3.5.1 is in [testing]. greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tp...@archlinux.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program
On 08/10/2012 03:08 AM, Leonidas Spyropoulos wrote:
Hey Squall,
I took the opportunity and created a small very simple PKGBUILD for
your application. I assume it doesn't depend on something special.
Also the package name will have to change and this will affect the
PKGBUILD as well.
When you move to git you will also have to change the PKGBUILD.
This is the first time I make a PKGBUILD file so if someone notice
something wrong please let me know.
# PKGBUILD for mime backup tool
# Contributor: Leonidas Spyropoulos leonidas at spyropoulos dot eu
pkgname=mime
pkgver=2.0.0
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc=Mime is a command line backup program written in Python
arch=('i686' 'x86_64')
since it's a python app, arch should be 'any'
url=http://http://code.google.com/p/mime-backup/;
There's a double http:// :P
license=('GPL3')
depends=('python2')
source=(http://mime-backup.googlecode.com/files/$pkgname-$pkgver.tar.gz)
md5sums=('9f6c3a33bffde6126b7a7bd85d38e7c5')
build() {
cd $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver
chmod 644 $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/mime.conf.sample
python2 setup.py install --root=$pkgdir || return 1
|| return 1 is not needed any more, pacman handles it. Rename startdir
to srcdir.
Also it's a good practice to place brackets {} around pkgdir and srcdir,
or place the whole path in double quotes.
}
What do you think?
[arch-general] gnome-screenshot tool partly broken with last xorg-server in testing ?
Hello. Before shouting on me, I know, testing can be broken sometimes. But as I'm facing this bug, I have reported it : https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/31087 To sum up : I cannot get a window to be correctly captured. Fullscreen is ok, window = corrupted file, and these kind of log. ** (gnome-screenshot:27677): WARNING **: Unable to use GNOME Shell's builtin screenshot interface, resorting to fallback X11. Error: Le fichier image « /home/fred/.cache/gnome-screenshot/scr--1328043383.png » ne contient pas de données (gnome-screenshot:27677): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_get_from_surface: assertion `width 0 height 0' failed (gnome-screenshot:27677): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_window_resize: assertion `width 0' failed ** (gnome-screenshot:27677): CRITICAL **: Unable to capture a screenshot of any window What do you think of that ? -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com
Re: [arch-general] Why is scribus installing gimp-light-2.6.11?
On 10 August 2012 12:32, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Guys, The latest scribus update attempts to install gimp-light 2.6.11 (not 2.6.12?) as a dependency for the update. This fails on my box because I created a gimp26 package which is gimp 2.6.12. Is the 'gimp-light' being pulled in my scribus a full gimp 2.6 install? If it is, I'm happy to dump my package and just use it. Anybody know more about this new 'gimp-light' package that scribus wants? I can't believe this. You are an Arch user and it never occurred to you that you should go check with a pacman -Ss gimp-light, and then when there is no result, check the AUR? How about a pacman -Si scribus? -- GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1
Re: [arch-general] No signal on external monitor with 3.5 Kernel
On 08/10/12 14:06, jsteel wrote: On 10 August 2012 01:55, Sudaraka Wijesinghe sudaraka.wijesin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I have an external monitor connected to my laptop via HDMI which I use side by side to get an extended desktop. When I boot the system with 3.5 Kernel I don't get any signal on the external monitor, laptop display and everything else work fine. It works fine with 3.4.x Kernels, and I believe it's not a X problem as it's not getting any signal even before X starts (It does with 3.4.x). I was wondering if anyone else has this issue and possibly a solution, or is this something I need to submit upstream? Thanks. -- Sudaraka Wijesinghe What's the output of xrandr? Try something like xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output VGA1 --auto --right-of LVDS1 jsteel xrandr output http://pastebin.com/z9G4n1Sp This is what I use to initialize the two monitors when X starts xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --primary --output HDMI1 --auto --right-of LVDS1 And it has no effect as the monitor connected to receives no signal (it goes to sleep) Also, as I mentioned before I don't see the output during the boot either so I assume this is not an X thing. Maybe 3.5 has some modules turned off by default? or this is a bug. I couldn't diagnose it properly. Thanks. -- Sudaraka. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] No signal on external monitor with 3.5 Kernel
Am 10.08.2012 11:17, schrieb Sudaraka Wijesinghe: xrandr output http://pastebin.com/z9G4n1Sp This is what I use to initialize the two monitors when X starts According to this, your monitor is enabled at 1920x1080. Also, as I mentioned before I don't see the output during the boot either so I assume this is not an X thing. Maybe 3.5 has some modules turned off by default? or this is a bug. I couldn't diagnose it properly. This is definitely a bug. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[arch-general] offlineimap configuration encrypted pwd
Dear all, I just finised creating GnuPG key and setting gpg-agent following the wiki. I am a litle bit confused now about a few things and how to use my encripted password. First, is there any need to add in my .Xressources this line: eval $(gpg-agent --daemon) I don't think so, but have a doubt. Now about the encrypted pwd. As described in Mutt wiki, I have now a file ~/.my-pwds.gpg. The wiki descibes how to use with Mutt. My problem is I use offlineimap, so it is in ~/.offlineimaprc I shall indicate the encrypted pwd. Is this following line enough ? remotepass = ~/.my-pwds.gpg OR shall I add to this following line ? source gpg2 -dq ~/.my-pwds.gpg | I use msmtp to send, so my problem with ~/.msmtprc is same:how to use the encrypted pwd? I didn't find any clear answer on Google, so thank you for any help in these settings. Regards.
Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference
On 08/09/2012 10:42 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: [putolin] but the easier it is to follow the trail, the better. That's what bread crumbs are for
Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
Long-term report: The NM applet within the Xfce panel still is ok. I expect to get issues from time to time using NM, but until now even those didn't happen. Again, no systemd ;). OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros and cons, Poettering again and again. I suspect we use different mail clients, daemons etc. too.
Re: [arch-general] [signoff] linux-3.4.8-1
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 08:22:47AM +0200, Tobias Powalowski wrote: Hi guys, please signoff 3.4.8 series for both arches. package is not in testing, please grab it from here: http://dev.archlinux.org/~tpowa/linux/ This will move to [core] directly, because 3.5.1 is in [testing]. signoff i686. everything working fine, including suspend on a pentium 4.
Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On 08/10/2012 08:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros and cons, Poettering again and again. I suspect we use different mail clients, daemons etc. too. Sadly, I don't think in the long run that will be possible, given that systemd has taken over udev and udev is now a part of systemd. In April 2012, udev's source tree was merged into systemd.
Re: [arch-general] note about beginners guide
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 19:58 -0400, brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote: In installation chapter we can see: Available time zones and subzones can be found in the |/usr/share/zoneinfo/Zone/SubZone| directories. it's helpful to see the available time zones. To do so, cd to the directory: # cd /usr/share/zoneinfo/ then type: # ls Why not type just this ? ls /usr/share/zoneinfo/ One string is better than five, and more more obvious, I think. Then... To list down the contents of that directory. You can do the same to get subzones: # cd /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe # ls And why not type just ? ls /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe Because cd + ls gives an overview about the structure? [spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ cd /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe [spinymouse@archlinux Europe]$ ls Amsterdam BrusselsGuernsey Lisbon Minsk Prague Skopje Vaduz Zaporozhye Andorra Bucharest Helsinki Ljubljana Monaco Riga Sofia VaticanZurich Athens BudapestIsle_of_Man London Moscow Rome Stockholm Vienna Belfast ChisinauIstanbul Luxembourg NicosiaSamara TallinnVilnius BelgradeCopenhagen Jersey Madrid Oslo San_Marino Tirane Volgograd Berlin Dublin Kaliningrad Malta Paris Sarajevo Tiraspol Warsaw Bratislava Gibraltar Kiev Mariehamn Podgorica Simferopol Uzhgorod Zagreb
Re: [arch-general] note about beginners guide
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 14:52 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 19:58 -0400, brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote: In installation chapter we can see: Available time zones and subzones can be found in the |/usr/share/zoneinfo/Zone/SubZone| directories. it's helpful to see the available time zones. To do so, cd to the directory: # cd /usr/share/zoneinfo/ then type: # ls Why not type just this ? ls /usr/share/zoneinfo/ One string is better than five, and more more obvious, I think. Then... To list down the contents of that directory. You can do the same to get subzones: # cd /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe # ls And why not type just ? ls /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe Because cd + ls gives an overview about the structure? [spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ cd /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe [spinymouse@archlinux Europe]$ ls Amsterdam BrusselsGuernsey Lisbon Minsk Prague Skopje Vaduz Zaporozhye Andorra Bucharest Helsinki Ljubljana Monaco Riga Sofia VaticanZurich Athens BudapestIsle_of_Man London Moscow Rome Stockholm Vienna Belfast ChisinauIstanbul Luxembourg NicosiaSamara TallinnVilnius BelgradeCopenhagen Jersey Madrid Oslo San_Marino Tirane Volgograd Berlin Dublin Kaliningrad Malta Paris Sarajevo Tiraspol Warsaw Bratislava Gibraltar Kiev Mariehamn Podgorica Simferopol Uzhgorod Zagreb PS: Pardon, the same does ls only, but if you're going the CD steps, it's easier to understand.
Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: On 08/10/2012 08:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros and cons, Poettering again and again. I suspect we use different mail clients, daemons etc. too. Sadly, I don't think in the long run that will be possible, given that systemd has taken over udev and udev is now a part of systemd. In April 2012, udev's source tree was merged into systemd. That's not a problem. We currently use udev from the sysntemd-tools package with initsrcipts (as well as many other tools that systemd provides), and I do not expect this to cause problems anytime soon. The only issue I see with supporting more than one init system is that it means more work for the packagers. -t
Re: [arch-general] note about beginners guide
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:52:09 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: Because cd + ls gives an overview about the structure? The output of $ cd /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe $ ls is exactly the same as $ ls /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe There's only one difference. The first one firstly changes the working directory from `pwd` to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe while the second one keeps `pwd` as the working directory. Heiko
Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On 08/10/2012 08:54 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: On 08/10/2012 08:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros and cons, Poettering again and again. I suspect we use different mail clients, daemons etc. too. Sadly, I don't think in the long run that will be possible, given that systemd has taken over udev and udev is now a part of systemd. In April 2012, udev's source tree was merged into systemd. That's not a problem. We currently use udev from the sysntemd-tools package with initsrcipts (as well as many other tools that systemd provides), and I do not expect this to cause problems anytime soon. The only issue I see with supporting more than one init system is that it means more work for the packagers. -t Yes but part of systemd is installed with udev as I understand it? Have you tried to strip out udev from systemd so you can use sysvinit without anything from systemd ?
[arch-general] IMPORTANT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 14:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Long-term report: The NM applet within the Xfce panel still is ok. [snip] But I had to downgrade polkit, since I couldn't mount devices by Thunar 1.4.0 anymore. After downgrading to the regular polkit Thunar is ok again. Regards, Ralf
Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage - 100%
On 08/10/2012 12:41 AM, gt wrote: Why don't you guys try something like claws or sylpheed, if you are having problem with thunderbird. I have used claws a couple of times and I can say that it consumes minimal resources (for a graphical client). Unless lots has changed recently, Claws is not really a great replacement for TB. In large part due to lack of html compose support (e.g. font control and tables can be pretty darn important for some). Evolution might be, tho it used to crash a lot - perhaps it has improved recently and is worth trying again. I use a local imap server for local storage - even on my laptop - so I can change email clients with zero dependence on any clients local storage quirks. I am running TB 17 - one thing worth checking is to ensure GLODA is turned off (edit-prefs-advanced-general). This has caused terrible cpu and io activity for me in the past. On my laptop, while roaming, if i lose connections - then sometimes TB re-checks and indexes things - which causes CPU spikes for a bit - but they go away. gene
Re: [arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 14:49 +0200, fredbezies wrote: Hello. I faced a weird bug with Brasero. Yesterday, I wanted to convert and burn mp3 to a CD. I got an error box saying : Name of mp3 file could not be opened Name of mp3 file is not suitable for audio or video media I had to use k3b. By the way, only mp3 are not usable. Flac files are ok. Any ideas ? Thanks. I read the same at Debian user list. You should use another burner.
Re: [arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?
2012/8/10 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 14:49 +0200, fredbezies wrote: Hello. I faced a weird bug with Brasero. Yesterday, I wanted to convert and burn mp3 to a CD. I got an error box saying : Name of mp3 file could not be opened Name of mp3 file is not suitable for audio or video media I had to use k3b. By the way, only mp3 are not usable. Flac files are ok. Any ideas ? Thanks. I read the same at Debian user list. You should use another burner. Well, it is not the best answer I can get. And to answer another message, of course gstreamer bad plugins are installed. -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com
Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage - 100%
On 08/10/2012 08:35 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 08/10/2012 12:41 AM, gt wrote: Why don't you guys try something like claws or sylpheed, if you are having problem with thunderbird. I have used claws a couple of times and I can say that it consumes minimal resources (for a graphical client). Unless lots has changed recently, Claws is not really a great replacement for TB. In large part due to lack of html compose support (e.g. font control and tables can be pretty darn important for some). Evolution might be, tho it used to crash a lot - perhaps it has improved recently and is worth trying again. I use a local imap server for local storage - even on my laptop - so I can change email clients with zero dependence on any clients local storage quirks. I am running TB 17 - one thing worth checking is to ensure GLODA is turned off (edit-prefs-advanced-general). This has caused terrible cpu and io activity for me in the past. On my laptop, while roaming, if i lose connections - then sometimes TB re-checks and indexes things - which causes CPU spikes for a bit - but they go away. gene That is the sad point of all of this. Since 1.X tbird has done one thing and done one thing well - provided an excellent graphical mail client, with very capable and flexible filtering, and been able to handle large mbox files without issue. It is hard to find a good comparable replacement. All of which makes the recent developments in tbird very troubling. Opera works, I've used it for years, but it has a very non-intuitive folder/filter setup. (I'm old-school, I want a browser to browse and a mail client to do mail, and I don't want either to do the others job - except for the mailer to display html e-mail when some unwitting soul send it to me) That's because many times I'm composing a message while making reference to a web page. I know you can pop most compose windows out into separate windows, but I just prefer a separate browser and mail client. I used sylpheed-claws (5 years ago or so) and didn't have any big complaints, I just found tbird (at the time) the better of the two packages. I do prefer a gui client. I use pine/alpine, but I've always found it easier to cut/paste between gui clients. We will just have to wait and see if mozilla can get the massive memory usage bugs fixed. There isn't any technical reason why they can't as long as they focus on performance issues rather then version competition and arguments like hiding the version number in the 'about' dialog. (yes, that is actually what mozilla planned to do...) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
[arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 08:47 -0400, Baho Utot wrote: On 08/10/2012 08:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros and cons, Poettering again and again. I suspect we use different mail clients, daemons etc. too. Sadly, I don't think in the long run that will be possible, given that systemd has taken over udev and udev is now a part of systemd. In April 2012, udev's source tree was merged into systemd. At the moment it is possible :). Once systemd should work for everybody, it would be ok to switch. I just hope there will be no switch until systemd could cause issues. I'm very pissed about how PA was hammered in Linux. It has broken many working systems and many people testing Linux for the first time, directly throw Linux away, since nobody likes a default install with broken audio. PA until today is pure crap for MOST computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux users, I even DOUBT that very much.
Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Squall Lionheart
headmastersqu...@gmail.com wrote:
I fixed according to your recommendations:
# Contributor: Leonidas Spyropoulos leonidas at spyropoulos dot eu
pkgname=mime
pkgver=2.0.0
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc=Mime is a command line backup program written in Python
arch=('any')
url=http://code.google.com/p/mime-backup/;
license=('GPL3')
depends=('python2')
source=(http://mime-backup.googlecode.com/files/$pkgname-$pkgver.tar.gz)
md5sums=('9f6c3a33bffde6126b7a7bd85d38e7c5')
build() {
cd ${srcdir}/$pkgname-$pkgver
chmod 644 ${srcdir}/$pkgname-$pkgver/mime.conf.sample
python2 setup.py install --root=${pkgdir}
}
This is great, thank you for taking the time to put this together. I am
working on the suggestions provided by Kwpolska and believe I have found a
new name. I was thinking of resetting the version number back to 1.0 after
the rename and the move to github, since it would be the first release
under that name. Does anyone see an issue with doing that?
Squall
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You are the project maintainer, so you decide! On a side note, I
think you don’t have many users, so a version change would work
nicely.
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Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program
You are the project maintainer, so you decide! On a side note, I think you don’t have many users, so a version change would work nicely. Thanks again. I have been in software development for nearly a decade and am new to open source software so I'm just trying to learn whats best. I will be resetting the version number on the move. Squall -- Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. Today is a gift. That's why its called the present. Headmaster Squall :: The Wired/Section-9 Close the world txen eht nepo $3R14L 3XP3R1M3NT$ #L41N http://twitter.com/headmastersqual
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: . PA until today is pure crap for MOST computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux users, I even DOUBT that very much. This again? Let's paraphrase:- Software X sucks for most users, since I've personally read 3 million separate user complaints. Don't tell me I'm wrong because I know I'm not. I don't care that all the biggest distros use software X, their users obviously don't play music. Oh, and very few people actually use simple stereo audio chips, the majority of people use multi channel audio cards to listen to their YouTube. Copy, paste, on all the mailing lists I frequent. Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds, after a while?
Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage - 100%
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 08/10/2012 12:41 AM, gt wrote: Why don't you guys try something like claws or sylpheed, if you are having problem with thunderbird. I have used claws a couple of times and I can say that it consumes minimal resources (for a graphical client). Unless lots has changed recently, Claws is not really a great replacement for TB. In large part due to lack of html compose support (e.g. font control and tables can be pretty darn important for some). Evolution might be, tho it used to crash a lot - perhaps it has improved recently and is worth trying again. I use a local imap server for local storage - even on my laptop - so I can change email clients with zero dependence on any clients local storage quirks. I am running TB 17 - one thing worth checking is to ensure GLODA is turned off (edit-prefs-advanced-general). This has caused terrible cpu and io activity for me in the past. On my laptop, while roaming, if i lose connections - then sometimes TB re-checks and indexes things - which causes CPU spikes for a bit - but they go away. Gene, your comment above about GLODA is an important one and one which quite a few people seem not to be aware of - when TB first moved to GLODA it was automatically switched on when updating TB from the previous version - and caused me lots of CPU spikes at the time, and indeed when it was re-indexing long periods of huge CPU usage - at that time (way back from the current time) I switched off GLODA permanently, and all the CPU usage issues went away - and I have never had any problems since - and have never switched GLODA back on! It might be an idea to try switching off GLODA and see if the CPU high usage issues remain or not - if they go away then the likely culprit was GLODA. -- mike c
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:50 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: . PA until today is pure crap for MOST computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux users, I even DOUBT that very much. This again? Let's paraphrase:- Software X sucks for most users, since I've personally read 3 million separate user complaints. Don't tell me I'm wrong because I know I'm not. I don't care that all the biggest distros use software X, their users obviously don't play music. Oh, and very few people actually use simple stereo audio chips, the majority of people use multi channel audio cards to listen to their YouTube. Copy, paste, on all the mailing lists I frequent. Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds, after a while? I tried to avoid this OT, apologize. I always forget that Linux is the most used OS in the universe and that I'm the only one who isn't fine with some rulings. However, the topic is polkit package upgrade patch. As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this patched version works with the NM applet on my Xfce, unfortunately the patched version brakes Thunar.
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On 08/10/2012 11:50 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: . PA until today is pure crap for MOST computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux users, I even DOUBT that very much. This again? Let's paraphrase:- Software X sucks for most users, since I've personally read 3 million separate user complaints. Don't tell me I'm wrong because I know I'm not. I don't care that all the biggest distros use software X, their users obviously don't play music. Oh, and very few people actually use simple stereo audio chips, the majority of people use multi channel audio cards to listen to their YouTube. Copy, paste, on all the mailing lists I frequent. Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds, after a while? I don't wish to get into that particular disagreement but.. pulse audio doesn't work for me in the two boxen I have it on. It just gets in the way and when it is removed I can set my audio just how I want it. With pulse it just takes over the master volume when it try to adjust audio in an application cranking the master volume to full. Without pulse it just works the way I like it to be. So count me as one of the ones who doesn't like pulse audio.
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this patched version works with the NM applet on my Xfce, unfortunately the patched version brakes Thunar. Thanks. Tom
Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program
On 10 Aug 2012 16:13, Squall Lionheart headmastersqu...@gmail.com wrote: You are the project maintainer, so you decide! On a side note, I think you don’t have many users, so a version change would work nicely. Thanks again. I have been in software development for nearly a decade and am new to open source software so I'm just trying to learn whats best. I will be resetting the version number on the move. I agree, if you are going to reset the version better do it now that the project is young. Let me know when you move it to github and I will update the PKGBUILD with name change and new process of downloading the source. Squall -- Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. Today is a gift. That's why its called the present. Headmaster Squall :: The Wired/Section-9 Close the world txen eht nepo $3R14L 3XP3R1M3NT$ #L41N http://twitter.com/headmastersqual
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:50 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: Oh, and very few people actually use simple stereo audio chips, the majority of people use multi channel audio cards to listen to their YouTube. Puleaudio doesn't work for many people simply using stereo with on-board devices. We are living in the mass media age, so multi channel cards are not that seldom, resp. stereo cards with better sound quality, that are based on microchips such as the Envy24.
[arch-general] Install scripts and Syslinux
I would like to thank all those who are working so diligently to make Arch Linux more usable. There are just too many to list in one spot. Dave's install scripts are great. This was the easiest install I've ever done save plugging in an MSDOS disk. To all those trying to come up with a graphical installer, I've never cared for them starting with anaconda and FreeBSD' sys install. Doing the install with these scripts removes all doubt about what's been done. Yes the AIF put most of it in your face and was a very laudable project, but these scripts take out all the doubt and forces you to think about how and what you are doing. They also make it possible to plug another hard disk into a running machine, do the install, then reboot to the new disk without using any external drives. That's the part I really love. Thanks for the tips about ext4 on the boot partition. I do have one question relating to the genfstab script. All the other scripts work with sudo but genfstab doesn't. I get an error message permission denied I have to su to root then run it. Myfra -- Life's fun when your sick and psychotic!
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Aug 10, 2012 6:09 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:50 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: Oh, and very few people actually use simple stereo audio chips, the majority of people use multi channel audio cards to listen to their YouTube. Puleaudio doesn't work for many people simply using stereo with on-board devices. We are living in the mass media age, so multi channel cards are not that seldom, resp. stereo cards with better sound quality, that are based on microchips such as the Envy24. Please guys, not again... Take your concerns upstream, nothing will come off rehashing them here for the hundredths time. Tom
Re: [arch-general] offlineimap configuration encrypted pwd
Hello, the long story short: :-)
Excerpts from Arno Gaboury's message of 2012-08-10 13:17:06 +0200:
I just finised creating GnuPG key and setting gpg-agent following the
wiki. I am a litle bit confused now about a few things and how to use my
encripted password.
First, is there any need to add in my .Xressources this line:
eval $(gpg-agent --daemon)
I don't think so, but have a doubt.
It is a good practice to run your daemon and save environment values for
your gpg daemon. Everytime you open terminal source these envs. For
example:
# This will run your daemon, so put it into .xinitrc
eval $(gpg-agent -q --write-env-file ${HOME}/.gpg-agent-info --daemon)
# This will source environemnt variable for gpg daemon, so put it into
# .zshenv, .bashrc, .whatever_shell_you_use
if [ -f ${HOME}/.gpg-agent-info ]; then
. ${HOME}/.gpg-agent-info
export GPG_AGENT_INFO
fi
Now the daemon is running like you expect.
Now about the encrypted pwd. As described in Mutt wiki, I have now a
file ~/.my-pwds.gpg. The wiki descibes how to use with Mutt. My problem
is I use offlineimap, so it is in ~/.offlineimaprc I shall indicate the
encrypted pwd. Is this following line enough ?
remotepass = ~/.my-pwds.gpg
OR shall I add to this following line ?
source gpg2 -dq ~/.my-pwds.gpg |
You have to create python script, where you will define functions to get
the password. For example:
# At .offlineimaprc
[general]
pythonfile = ~/bin/pwhelper.py
[Repository SomeRemoteServer]
remotepasseval = get_password(server_name)
# Body of my helper ~/bin/pwhelper.py:
import subprocess
def get_password(server):
if server == server_name:
pw = subprocess.check_output([gpg, -q, --no-tty, -d,
password.gpg])
return str(pw).strip()
I use msmtp to send, so my problem with ~/.msmtprc is same:how to use
the encrypted pwd?
# In .msmtprc instead of password use:
passwordeval gpg -q --no-tty -d password.gpg
I didn't find any clear answer on Google, so thank you for any help in
these settings.
You have to take your time and look into manpages, everything is there,
so be patient.
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:04:39 +0200
Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this
patched version works with the NM applet on my Xfce, unfortunately the
patched version brakes Thunar.
Thanks.
Tom
Except mounting issues, do I correctly understand that polkit 0.107 enables
correct seat/session assigment in conjuction with systemd-logind even without
a login helper (like {G,K}DM)?
Thanks.
--
Leonid Isaev
GnuPG key: 0x164B5A6D
Fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE 775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D
signature.asc
Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Aug 10, 2012 6:32 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:04:39 +0200
Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net
wrote:
As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this
patched version works with the NM applet on my Xfce, unfortunately the
patched version brakes Thunar.
Thanks.
Tom
Except mounting issues, do I correctly understand that polkit 0.107
enables
correct seat/session assigment in conjuction with systemd-logind even
without
a login helper (like {G,K}DM)?
No. That is a separate problem. The patched version will ask logind for
information about the session, but for that to work, a pam session must
have been set up correctly and be registered with logind. For this a login
manager (our an xinit hack) is needed.
Tom
Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage - 100%
I don't see an option related to GLODA in edit-prefs-advanced-general, is it the same as Enable Global Search and Indexer? Thanks Squall On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:57 AM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 08/10/2012 12:41 AM, gt wrote: Why don't you guys try something like claws or sylpheed, if you are having problem with thunderbird. I have used claws a couple of times and I can say that it consumes minimal resources (for a graphical client). Unless lots has changed recently, Claws is not really a great replacement for TB. In large part due to lack of html compose support (e.g. font control and tables can be pretty darn important for some). Evolution might be, tho it used to crash a lot - perhaps it has improved recently and is worth trying again. I use a local imap server for local storage - even on my laptop - so I can change email clients with zero dependence on any clients local storage quirks. I am running TB 17 - one thing worth checking is to ensure GLODA is turned off (edit-prefs-advanced-general). This has caused terrible cpu and io activity for me in the past. On my laptop, while roaming, if i lose connections - then sometimes TB re-checks and indexes things - which causes CPU spikes for a bit - but they go away. Gene, your comment above about GLODA is an important one and one which quite a few people seem not to be aware of - when TB first moved to GLODA it was automatically switched on when updating TB from the previous version - and caused me lots of CPU spikes at the time, and indeed when it was re-indexing long periods of huge CPU usage - at that time (way back from the current time) I switched off GLODA permanently, and all the CPU usage issues went away - and I have never had any problems since - and have never switched GLODA back on! It might be an idea to try switching off GLODA and see if the CPU high usage issues remain or not - if they go away then the likely culprit was GLODA. -- mike c -- Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. Today is a gift. That's why its called the present. Headmaster Squall :: The Wired/Section-9 Close the world txen eht nepo $3R14L 3XP3R1M3NT$ #L41N http://twitter.com/headmastersqual
Re: [arch-general] offlineimap configuration encrypted pwd
On 10/08/12||18:30, Vojtech Aschenbrenner wrote:
Hello, the long story short: :-)
Excerpts from Arno Gaboury's message of 2012-08-10 13:17:06 +0200:
I just finised creating GnuPG key and setting gpg-agent following the
wiki. I am a litle bit confused now about a few things and how to use my
encripted password.
First, is there any need to add in my .Xressources this line:
eval $(gpg-agent --daemon)
I don't think so, but have a doubt.
It is a good practice to run your daemon and save environment values for
your gpg daemon. Everytime you open terminal source these envs. For
example:
# This will run your daemon, so put it into .xinitrc
eval $(gpg-agent -q --write-env-file ${HOME}/.gpg-agent-info --daemon)
# This will source environemnt variable for gpg daemon, so put it into
# .zshenv, .bashrc, .whatever_shell_you_use
if [ -f ${HOME}/.gpg-agent-info ]; then
. ${HOME}/.gpg-agent-info
export GPG_AGENT_INFO
fi
Now the daemon is running like you expect.
Now about the encrypted pwd. As described in Mutt wiki, I have now a
file ~/.my-pwds.gpg. The wiki descibes how to use with Mutt. My problem
is I use offlineimap, so it is in ~/.offlineimaprc I shall indicate the
encrypted pwd. Is this following line enough ?
remotepass = ~/.my-pwds.gpg
OR shall I add to this following line ?
source gpg2 -dq ~/.my-pwds.gpg |
You have to create python script, where you will define functions to get
the password. For example:
# At .offlineimaprc
[general]
pythonfile = ~/bin/pwhelper.py
[Repository SomeRemoteServer]
remotepasseval = get_password(server_name)
# Body of my helper ~/bin/pwhelper.py:
import subprocess
def get_password(server):
if server == server_name:
pw = subprocess.check_output([gpg, -q, --no-tty, -d,
password.gpg])
return str(pw).strip()
I use msmtp to send, so my problem with ~/.msmtprc is same:how to use
the encrypted pwd?
# In .msmtprc instead of password use:
passwordeval gpg -q --no-tty -d password.gpg
I didn't find any clear answer on Google, so thank you for any help in
these settings.
You have to take your time and look into manpages, everything is there,
so be patient.
Thank you so much. A lot is in your post.
I will take time, as configuring correctly mutt+offlineima+msmtp already
have been time consuming for me.
Will implement everything and proudly run Mutt with a PGP signature and
send encrypted password across the nerwork :-)
Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage - 100%
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Squall Lionheart headmastersqu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see an option related to GLODA in edit-prefs-advanced-general, is it the same as Enable Global Search and Indexer? Thanks Squall Yes under exactly that option select to not Enable Global Search and Indexer - then you will not have GLODA running - you will need to restart TB before it is switched off though. -- mike c
Re: [arch-general] offlineimap configuration encrypted pwd
On 10/08/12||18:30, Vojtech Aschenbrenner wrote:
Hello, the long story short: :-)
Excerpts from Arno Gaboury's message of 2012-08-10 13:17:06 +0200:
I just finised creating GnuPG key and setting gpg-agent following the
wiki. I am a litle bit confused now about a few things and how to use my
encripted password.
First, is there any need to add in my .Xressources this line:
eval $(gpg-agent --daemon)
I don't think so, but have a doubt.
It is a good practice to run your daemon and save environment values for
your gpg daemon. Everytime you open terminal source these envs. For
example:
# This will run your daemon, so put it into .xinitrc
eval $(gpg-agent -q --write-env-file ${HOME}/.gpg-agent-info --daemon)
Will it be OK to add -connect if I want to use gpg-agant for ssh too?
eval $(gpg-connect-agent -q )
Then, I have alrday a ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf with this line:
write-env-file /home/username/.gpg-agent-info
Is it, in this case, necessary to again write this on the above line you
mentioned for my .xinitrc ?
If I correctly understand, this line in my .xinitrc shall be enough:
eval $(gpg-connect-agent --daemon).
Am I right?
# This will source environemnt variable for gpg daemon, so put it into
# .zshenv, .bashrc, .whatever_shell_you_use
if [ -f ${HOME}/.gpg-agent-info ]; then
. ${HOME}/.gpg-agent-info
export GPG_AGENT_INFO
fi
Now the daemon is running like you expect.
Now about the encrypted pwd. As described in Mutt wiki, I have now a
file ~/.my-pwds.gpg. The wiki descibes how to use with Mutt. My problem
is I use offlineimap, so it is in ~/.offlineimaprc I shall indicate the
encrypted pwd. Is this following line enough ?
remotepass = ~/.my-pwds.gpg
OR shall I add to this following line ?
source gpg2 -dq ~/.my-pwds.gpg |
You have to create python script, where you will define functions to get
the password. For example:
# At .offlineimaprc
[general]
pythonfile = ~/bin/pwhelper.py
[Repository SomeRemoteServer]
remotepasseval = get_password(server_name)
# Body of my helper ~/bin/pwhelper.py:
import subprocess
def get_password(server):
if server == server_name:
pw = subprocess.check_output([gpg, -q, --no-tty, -d,
password.gpg])
return str(pw).strip()
I use msmtp to send, so my problem with ~/.msmtprc is same:how to use
the encrypted pwd?
# In .msmtprc instead of password use:
passwordeval gpg -q --no-tty -d password.gpg
I didn't find any clear answer on Google, so thank you for any help in
these settings.
You have to take your time and look into manpages, everything is there,
so be patient.
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 11:31 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:04:39 +0200
Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this
patched version works with the NM applet on my Xfce, unfortunately the
patched version brakes Thunar.
Thanks.
Tom
Except mounting issues, do I correctly understand that polkit 0.107 enables
correct seat/session assigment in conjuction with systemd-logind even without
a login helper (like {G,K}DM)?
Thanks.
No, I'm not using systemd-logind, but
$ pacman -Qi gdm
Name : gdm
Version: 3.4.1-2
$ ls /etc/systemd/logind.conf
ls: cannot access /etc/systemd/logind.conf: No such file or directory
Yes, GDM for starting Xfce, while not using PA, perhaps a strange
combination.
Regards,
Ralf
[arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?
Hello. I know, archlinux is really quick to package software, so I was wondering when LibreOffice 3.6 will be proposed, at least on testing ? I grabbed PKGBUILD from abs, and tweaked .36 version to build both translations (done first) and then core package (currently working on LibO Writer after something like 4 hours on my AMD Athlon X2-215, which is now something like 2 years old). Thanks for any infos. Have a good week-end. -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com
Re: [arch-general] offlineimap configuration encrypted pwd
Excerpts from Arno Gaboury's message of 2012-08-10 19:25:37 +0200: Will it be OK to add -connect if I want to use gpg-agant for ssh too? eval $(gpg-connect-agent -q ) I don't use gpg agent to manage ssh keys, so try/read man/google it. Then, I have alrday a ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf with this line: write-env-file /home/username/.gpg-agent-info Is it, in this case, necessary to again write this on the above line you mentioned for my .xinitrc ? If I correctly understand, this line in my .xinitrc shall be enough: eval $(gpg-connect-agent --daemon). Am I right? Yep, you're absolutely right. Good luck with setting up your mailing system :-).
Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?
On 10/08/12 21:15, fredbezies wrote: Hello. I know, archlinux is really quick to package software, so I was wondering when LibreOffice 3.6 will be proposed, at least on testing ? I grabbed PKGBUILD from abs, and tweaked .36 version to build both translations (done first) and then core package (currently working on LibO Writer after something like 4 hours on my AMD Athlon X2-215, which is now something like 2 years old). Thanks for any infos. Have a good week-end. Usually it's released when it's ready ( it's only two days ago, since it has been released) -- Jelle van der Waa signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 21:43 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: And run a `ls /usr/lib/systemd/system`. The harddisk is filled up with a bunch of systemd stuff which I don't need and don't want to have. Hm? IIRC console-kit has a replacement when using systemd, so those and perhaps other files perhaps have nothing to do with systemd? spinymouse@precise:~$ ls -hl /mnt/archlinux/usr/lib/systemd/system/console* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 432 May 27 06:29 /mnt/archlinux/usr/lib/systemd/system/console-kit-daemon.service -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 219 May 27 06:29 /mnt/archlinux/usr/lib/systemd/system/console-kit-log-system-restart.service -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 201 May 27 06:29 /mnt/archlinux/usr/lib/systemd/system/console-kit-log-system-start.service -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 218 May 27 06:29 /mnt/archlinux/usr/lib/systemd/system/console-kit-log-system-stop.service *?*
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 22:04 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 21:43 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: And run a `ls /usr/lib/systemd/system`. The harddisk is filled up with a bunch of systemd stuff which I don't need and don't want to have. Hm? IIRC console-kit has a replacement when using systemd, so those and perhaps other files perhaps have nothing to do with systemd? spinymouse@precise:~$ ls -hl /mnt/archlinux/usr/lib/systemd/system/console* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 432 May 27 06:29 /mnt/archlinux/usr/lib/systemd/system/console-kit-daemon.service -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 219 May 27 06:29 /mnt/archlinux/usr/lib/systemd/system/console-kit-log-system-restart.service -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 201 May 27 06:29 /mnt/archlinux/usr/lib/systemd/system/console-kit-log-system-start.service -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 218 May 27 06:29 /mnt/archlinux/usr/lib/systemd/system/console-kit-log-system-stop.service *?* PS: Any explanations are welcome, seemingly those are systemd files. spinymouse@precise:~$ cat /mnt/archlinux/usr/lib/systemd/system/console-kit-log-system-start.service [Unit] Description=Console System Startup Logging DefaultDependencies=no After=sysinit.target Before=shutdown.target [Service] Type=oneshot ExecStart=/usr/sbin/ck-log-system-start RemainAfterExit=yes
Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:54:14 +0200 schrieb Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl: On 10/08/12 21:15, fredbezies wrote: Hello. I know, archlinux is really quick to package software, so I was wondering when LibreOffice 3.6 will be proposed, at least on testing ? 3.6.0 won't go into our repos. It's only for early adopters and not ready for production use. Maybe I'll package 3.6.1 for testing repo once it's out. See http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOReleaseLifecycle.png -Andy signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?
Ok. Thanks for the info. Will try ti build it for fun. Have a good weekend Le 10 août 2012 22:15, Andreas Radke andy...@archlinux.org a écrit : Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:54:14 +0200 schrieb Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl: On 10/08/12 21:15, fredbezies wrote: Hello. I know, archlinux is really quick to package software, so I was wondering when LibreOffice 3.6 will be proposed, at least on testing ? 3.6.0 won't go into our repos. It's only for early adopters and not ready for production use. Maybe I'll package 3.6.1 for testing repo once it's out. See http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOReleaseLifecycle.png -Andy
Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?
Spellcheck is currently broken in 3.6.0 afiak, so probably best to wait until the point release. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Andreas Radke andy...@archlinux.orgwrote: Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:54:14 +0200 schrieb Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl: On 10/08/12 21:15, fredbezies wrote: Hello. I know, archlinux is really quick to package software, so I was wondering when LibreOffice 3.6 will be proposed, at least on testing ? 3.6.0 won't go into our repos. It's only for early adopters and not ready for production use. Maybe I'll package 3.6.1 for testing repo once it's out. See http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOReleaseLifecycle.png -Andy
Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?
2012/8/10 Brandon Watkins bwa...@gmail.com: Spellcheck is currently broken in 3.6.0 afiak, so probably best to wait until the point release. Well, if you don't wipe previous configuration, it could be broken. And as there is PKGBUILD.36 files, will try by myself. Good to learn some more things on build process :D On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Andreas Radke andy...@archlinux.orgwrote: Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:54:14 +0200 schrieb Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl: On 10/08/12 21:15, fredbezies wrote: Hello. I know, archlinux is really quick to package software, so I was wondering when LibreOffice 3.6 will be proposed, at least on testing ? 3.6.0 won't go into our repos. It's only for early adopters and not ready for production use. Maybe I'll package 3.6.1 for testing repo once it's out. See http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOReleaseLifecycle.png -Andy -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software with different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the author is comparing apples to oranges. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:27:33 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no: Please guys, not again... Take your concerns upstream, nothing will come off rehashing them here for the hundredths time. Those concerns have been reported upstream a long while ago. They are just ignored resp. upstream doesn't have any better to do than to blaming ALSA even if ALSA supports those audio cards perfectly out-of-the-box. Then PA upstream has written an obscure ALSA configuration which crippled those cards down to simple stereo cards and closed the bug report as fixed even if this is not even a dirty workaround. Now, after a lot of discussions on several mailing lists, they suddenly say that PA is only meant for desktop purposes, but not for professional audio. On the other hand they do everything to make it a pseudo standard. And systemd seems to be similar. I also don't like that you want to imprint this systemd stuff everybody even if one doesn't have systemd installed. See systemd-tools and systemd-cryptsetup. Well, I know that you filed the issue about reading the key rawly from a block device to upstream. But they did forgot it. What else did they forget? I have the impression that Lennart only thinks halfway through and doesn't have much knowledge about professional computer and UNIX usage. Maybe his ideas have some good aspects, but he simply can't implement it professionally and in a UNIX style. He seems to only think about desktop users but definitely not about (semi-)professional users. And run a `ls /usr/lib/systemd/system`. The harddisk is filled up with a bunch of systemd stuff which I don't need and don't want to have. But I am forced to have at least half of systemd on my harddisk, even if I don't want to have systemd. Just a few concerns which not only belong to upstream. And, no. The software does not or at least should not ripen at the users, at least not so much as it needs to with Poetterix. Heiko
Re: [arch-general] Install scripts and Syslinux
+1 to this On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: I would like to thank all those who are working so diligently to make Arch Linux more usable. There are just too many to list in one spot. Dave's install scripts are great. This was the easiest install I've ever done save plugging in an MSDOS disk. To all those trying to come up with a graphical installer, I've never cared for them starting with anaconda and FreeBSD' sys install. Doing the install with these scripts removes all doubt about what's been done. Yes the AIF put most of it in your face and was a very laudable project, but these scripts take out all the doubt and forces you to think about how and what you are doing. They also make it possible to plug another hard disk into a running machine, do the install, then reboot to the new disk without using any external drives. That's the part I really love. Thanks for the tips about ext4 on the boot partition. I do have one question relating to the genfstab script. All the other scripts work with sudo but genfstab doesn't. I get an error message permission denied I have to su to root then run it. Myfra -- Life's fun when your sick and psychotic!
[arch-general] Justin's package signing key expired
Just a heads up: Justin Davis' key expired today so pacman won't be able to verify/install some perl packages[1] until they have been resigned or rebuilt. [1]: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?packager=juster -- Florian Pritz signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/10/2012 06:47 AM, fredbezies wrote: Well, it is not the best answer I can get. And to answer another message, of course gstreamer bad plugins are installed. This sounds to me like an upstream problem, and so it should be taken to the relevant lists. The response you received is one I would expect here, where part of the advantage of this environment is that when one software package doesn't meet your needs, there are alternatives available. - -- David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQJXsLAAoJELT202JKF+xpD/QQAIe9ghdRUXsPBJDWLmkiK0lE VvyOpgtA4shPP7d0RdoOSFsHzdzYIpd9PRqDy8rlk7BDsG6Bg5S6xhUw9cuxUrWQ Vc5HmabrVVghKaSyLyY1HsLO1Y1BeEAOY1SGi6Hr8TqSFMm/e+n87E0WV+l+yWVB isztqYrBsHJ08JZyY2eN1YX2qXT5YdGYQwLEKUuRCCmyqHogrnYpWRkeZG/gnc+j tePIbPdIl50RpFJJv4Qs9OETT1wS5jo1TzBVHJQRiKfWkDSYLD4cfdNyWY6zSIWs JflwUtPwKvqPTZJjSvPDFDnI50a6HlirTrKnnNhN/utVfUKxwEsrSb3Hzx3hxvIL nie4kJknSYcjlH54JUrByd4eD6n+5J2shOP6DQUYlKEcKUk0Kb8HMQlChBlCxfa9 ovrmF6P9cghb8X5w+q2D+GSUL3hSSwEwl89T521P8J7g0OfGWQ9sRNu8UOzHuXkx yg4lmryjZVZkgJkdzKve8FOWjZSpx2iACBytdZEasGkEYBiQq2Cpd8DS2Zwt3hfL XiU/cvC+iXBZ0FqnYvvIz8tGhSdiFgwE/HUclXt3Djuw8/yK3ql+i1rUqvXORqvo rGwXQpOLHhzogIY++tTLRJa1jM5uT44bX9M5Z/AYX5E1cKJnaPHDA20V/9xgW1ml 3zghODu4za1KqhFDYiRi =GpIV -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/10/2012 09:02 AM, Baho Utot wrote: On 08/10/2012 11:50 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: . PA until today is pure crap for MOST computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux users, I even DOUBT that very much. This again? Let's paraphrase:- snip Copy, paste, on all the mailing lists I frequent. Perhaps the fact that so many people--myself included--have had problems with PulseAudio that are most easily solved by removing PulseAudio ought to be taken into consideration. But PulseAudio evangelists rarely, if ever, respond meaningfully to this point. That suggests that the attachment to PulseAudio is based in emotion rather than in reason. Emotion is a legitimate basis for decisionmaking. But it is also legitimate for others to choose what works for them. Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds, after a while? I don't wish to get into that particular disagreement but.. pulse audio doesn't work for me in the two boxen I have it on. It just gets in the way and when it is removed I can set my audio just how I want it. It's interesting that there is so much evangelism for PulseAudio. If it really worked as advertised, 1) such evangelism would not be necessary, and 2) the topic might not come up so often. But what's really interesting is that the topic appears even here on an Arch mailing list, since Arch--as far as I know--wouldn't foist PulseAudio on anybody unless they wanted it. - -- David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQJX3FAAoJELT202JKF+xpLRgP/jA788xHe6kTka8WnDQW6W+e HD/8o3xeIdJA2sSh8wjDS7jqvacd8yp5sHZNa7P1r5AcOfx4paUniitvNaBfLmhC yY2MfsSM/iLIzgTWOWbKZNBSFt8uxPd52oD2JyEgS9l9dRPl13DSlRy9ZC2+94Kt TdAg7sL+23DTtFhLsa2z54rlglwGblo41QaEp8MMPUcy1HpaFKcwpEw9TSVKD71D WPo7JVQZF3y8eOtNEaRzHZKYOaTmoqarn32VR26jp4Dw9Wzr3OWpCgYIkRwR+2eI rjsdYVFasMs+BbKjafl6hTVH9ky1INgmXcYBpDGQrim3qCEWVlLcw3PAyKMnXpet g4SHT4owYqrWfTABVaTcHX+C6BjIVoNMOjdN78gHVBqPcaO4QevdDKp6cFeu90b1 bQ3C/YYHev+A8KLCv02bbwTws0uKtcS/AbaSgBjNXRV45RNZ+myzDDNqMtH5z6DM lZC+ywkNZlHW3mFqsBOfrQq2KjwUW2/F6JoIvvX+7PspFXxP7B+s1djKHL7i2VVU 5t+g/EJFxgn4DxTUxa6qOheJEBntqUUj5whNNVHJ5+XMnba/iVs6HMhrfQKsDZCJ QkClneV14dkuvtS//X+PCJ4qXkcA0096hNwk6QI7bL4gMHZaEjcctK1XRybL1bs7 ppoIXsSYeEWd8kiWkM3T =a0+y -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 14:20 -0700, David Benfell wrote: On 08/10/2012 06:47 AM, fredbezies wrote: Well, it is not the best answer I can get. And to answer another message, of course gstreamer bad plugins are installed. This sounds to me like an upstream problem, and so it should be taken to the relevant lists. The response you received is one I would expect here, where part of the advantage of this environment is that when one software package doesn't meet your needs, there are alternatives available. FWIW, perhaps there is something useful in the messages: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/08/msg00362.html The OP now is using xfburn. My favorite is K3b. I even used K3b with GNOME2.
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:15 +0200 schrieb Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de: I really haven't seen so many and so long discussions and so many concerns and very negative opinions about a software than I have seen about Lennart's software. And I'm not only reading this mailing list. See e.g. pro-linux.de or heise.de (both in German). Every time when there's an article about PA or systemd a lot of people are railing against PA, systemd and Lennart. And it's definitely not only me. That said, nearly every comment on heise.de against PA, systemd and Lennart Poettering gets a lot of green, and heise is very well known IT publisher and has a lot of readers. Also such comments on pro-linux.de get regularly a lot of approval and positive feedback. Heiko
Re: [arch-general] note about beginners guide
cd /usr/share/zoneinfo ls and then cd Europe ls Gives a first impression to a newbie, about the directories. OTOH it's not very important. IMO both is ok, with and without cd. Arch Wikis usually are very good :). Regards, Ralf
[arch-general] root $PATH via su - -c mc ??
OK so I guess /root/.bash_profile wouldn't be read by a script generated
login shell that feeds su - -c mc to the -e option of a konsole command,
since it's not considered an interactive login...
Which explains why the conditional PATH command I routinely put in my
.bash_profile scripts (not in .bashrc to prevent it being appended multiple
times):
if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
PATH=${PATH}:~/bin
fi
doesn't add /root/bin to the default path of the resulting root mc session
in the resulting konsole window, like it does with a console root login...
IE:
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/bin/core_perl:/root/bin
But since even a generic user's default system PATH variable includes the sbin
directories... IE:
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/bin/core_perl
Why would the root mc shell resulting from the scripted su - -c mc wind
up with a PATH variable containing only:
/usr/ucb:/bin:/usr/bin:/etc
???
I know I can fix this by defining root's path in root's .bashrc, but I'd
have to give up on conditionally adding ~/bin in .bash_profile as every
subshell would overwrite it with the .bashrc assignment...
Suggestions anyone???
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| ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
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Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: [snip: lots of whining about pulse audio] This is not the right mailinglist for this issue. And this certainly is not the right thread for it. And systemd seems to be similar. I also don't like that you want to imprint this systemd stuff everybody even if one doesn't have systemd installed. You are free to reimplement all those tools and ship a competing package. The configuration formats are well-documented, so it should not be hard. See systemd-tools and systemd-cryptsetup. Well, I know that you filed the issue about reading the key rawly from a block device to upstream. But they did forgot it. What are you talking about? No one forgot anything. This is what happened: You pointed out a feature that initsrcipts used to have which systemd-cryptsetup lacked, (on the same day) I posted a patch to implement the feature you requested, and asked for feedback (which you didn't give), one week later I posted the patch upstream and (on the same day) Lennart replied: Applied. The functionality should now be part of systemd 188, which is in testing. What more could you possibly ask for? I have the impression that Lennart only thinks halfway through and doesn't have much knowledge about professional computer and UNIX usage. Maybe his ideas have some good aspects, but he simply can't implement it professionally and in a UNIX style. He seems to only think about desktop users but definitely not about (semi-)professional users. I have the impression that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. And run a `ls /usr/lib/systemd/system`. The harddisk is filled up with a bunch of systemd stuff which I don't need and don't want to have. But I am forced to have at least half of systemd on my harddisk, even if I don't want to have systemd. Why don't you just delete the things you don't want? -t
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: If you buy a book at Amazon e.g., what do you read? Only the best 5-star reviews or also the 1-star reviews? I tell you something. Not always but a lot of times the fewer 1-star reviews are the better and more realistic ones. I prefer the reviews (good or bad) from someone who has actually read the book. -t
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:15 +0200 Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:33:39 -0400 schrieb Brandon Watkins bwa...@gmail.com: Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software with different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the author is comparing apples to oranges. Sorry, it is not. I see that PA is totally not complete and doesn't support at least half of the professional use cases. And I see that it's the same with systemd. So what's the difference? They are both developed by the same person who seemingly doesn't have much knowledge about professional computer usage and only cares about some desktop users. With PA it's currently not such a problem since I don't need to use a distro or a desktop environment which forces me to install PA. With systemd it's worse since the init system is a very serious and important piece of the system. And if this doesn't support every professional use case and isn't proved to be really reliable, it just shouldn't be made to a de facto standard. And if I can't trust PA how can I trust an even more important piece of software written by the same person? Btw., look at systemd-cryptsetup. Yes, meanwhile my use case is filed upstream and allegedly and hopefully fixed. But it shows that at least one use case was just forgotten or in other words it was not well enough thought out. The latter is the biggest problem. Like I said before, some of Lennart's ideas may, say, seem to be quite interesting, and maybe sysvinit is also not the perfect init system. But Lennart's software is just not implemented good enough. And here I thought that there were some SuSE people from udev team behind systemd... Do we always have to get personal? If somebody doesn't care about the professional users when writing on software, would he really care about the professional users when writing the other software? AFAICT professional = constructive: if you find a problem there is no point in admiring yourself and calling everyone else morons, help fixing it instead. Otherwise, please show me a piece of software which is free of bugs. I really haven't seen so many and so long discussions and so many concerns and very negative opinions about a software than I have seen about Lennart's software. And I'm not only reading this mailing list. See e.g. pro-linux.de or heise.de (both in German). Every time when there's an article about PA or systemd a lot of people are railing against PA, systemd and Lennart. And it's definitely not only me. Seems to me that some people have way too much free time... There must be a reason, and the reasons are always mentioned. There are bug reports upstream, but they are just ignored. Lennart mentions all those rants in at least one of his documentations. So he even knows about all those criticisms. What's he doing? He ignores them totally. In the same sentence he just laughs at those people, and call them so to say (not literally) stupid. Is this really a good and trustworthy attitude? I think, not. And all those comments here like oh no, not this again, Please guys, not again... or Take your concerns upstream, ..., is really not helpful. On the contrary this all is also an issue for downstream. See the ongoing infiltration of initscripts by systemd here in Arch Linux. Sorry to say that, but it's really not the best idea. And do you think it's a good idea to spam my inbox? Ah, right, I should unsubscribe. Keep PA and systemd totally optional including every part of it, and everything is Ok. I'm sure nobody would mind. But as long as there are people working on making both software a de facto standard and forcing it on everybody, this discussion will never end. Not only here. Noone is forcing anything on anyone... Just take all those people who have a lot of concerns for some very good reasons serious. Examples welcome... There wouldn't be so many, so long discussions every time PA, systemd or Lennart Poettering is mentioned if this all was such a very good, perfect and professional software. If this was the case then I'm sure that everybody couldn't wait to get it and a lot of people would ask when it will be available. Instead a lot of people on the web rail against them. So think about that, and think long and good. Maybe there are a few use cases for which PA is working and for which PA makes sense. But there are a lot of use cases for which PA does not work. The same for systemd. So think about the use cases for which they don't work. Btw., someone else here on this mailing list has mentioned a lot of software which, as he said, do the same as systemd does allegedly better than sysvinit, but on top of sysvinit and in a more UNIX like way. There came not even one word, one short discussion about those suggestions. It was not considered if those software could be the better alternative. Instead
[arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de /usr/lib/systemd/system Why don't you just delete the things you don't want? When not using systemd, is it ok to delete /usr/lib/systemd completely? Is it ok to replace libsystemd (or what ever is installed by dependencies) with a dummy-package? I'm not booted to Arch yet, so I don't know what exactly is installed. IMO dummy-packages are the best choice, if possible. E.g. regarding to pulseaudio the package https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=48718 isn't maintained anymore. I never used it, but directly build a pulseaudio dummy package, but IIRC libpulse still must be installed. Why should somebody maintain a package, when dummy packages does the same job? However, it's not that easy to know what is and what isn't needed. Regards, Ralf
Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: When not using systemd, is it ok to delete /usr/lib/systemd completely? No, initscripts uses a lot of stuff in there. Is it ok to replace libsystemd (or what ever is installed by dependencies) with a dummy-package? I'm not booted to Arch yet, so I don't know what exactly is installed. No. Lots of stuff links against libsystemd. -t
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:59:25 +0200, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: Do we always have to get personal? Seems to me that some people have way too much free time... And do you think it's a good idea to spam my inbox? Ah, right, I should unsubscribe. I don't read reviews because relevant people you should listen to are too busy to write them. Yes, everybody who mentions cons about system relevant broken software has to much time. Perhaps important, relevant people would have more time too, if they wouldn't use borked, system relevant software ;). This kind of argumentation IMO is more near to spam, then to mention again and again, that pulseaudio is a serious issue and people fear that systemd will become a serious issue too. Some people don't have the time to test and brake their Linux, that doesn't mean that people with enough free time are losers, IMO somebody who doesn't have enough free time should learn to manage the live better. I just wonder why a discussion needs to become that personal. Heiko didn't become personal. Writing about somebody who does hardcore public relations is something completely different, than defamation of people who might have too much free time, just because they have another opinion or read the book reviews of people that aren't that smart, as the people you would listen too. Why not simply stopping that discussion, instead of feeding it with such a defamation? :) Ralf
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:57:46 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no: I prefer the reviews (good or bad) from someone who has actually read the book. You can usually assume that everybody who writes a review has actually read the book. Heiko
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no: This is not the right mailinglist for this issue. And this certainly is not the right thread for it. This is the right mailing list for this issue, because downstream is also affected by this. And it is also downstream's decision whether to ship systemd or not. And you do it by forcing all that systemd stuff like systemd-tools and all those service files on every user if he wants to have systemd on his system or not. So this IS the right mailing list. You are free to reimplement all those tools and ship a competing package. The configuration formats are well-documented, so it should not be hard. Why would I? There are tools which are working. Systemd is still not working. For cryptsetup there was and currently still is a working code in initscripts. So principally no need to use some systemd-tools for this. And this code covered a lot more use cases than systemd-cryptsetup originally. And I know this code, because I have written at least most part of this code. The syntax could indeed a bit more clearer, but that could have been done without systemd-cryptsetup. What about all the already existing tools, someone else recently mentioned here on the list? Still no word about them. Still no discussion it they are sufficient or probably better than systemd. What are you talking about? No one forgot anything. This is what happened: You pointed out a feature that initsrcipts used to have which systemd-cryptsetup lacked, (on the same day) I posted a patch to implement the feature you requested, and asked for feedback (which you didn't give), one week later I posted the patch upstream and (on the same day) Lennart replied: Applied. The functionality should now be part of systemd 188, which is in testing. What more could you possibly ask for? Just simple. I ask for first thinking about use cases and about reliability before writing such a tool and before trying to make it a de facto standard. I ask for thinking about professional users and their usage. And I ask for firstly learning about professional computer usage and about UNIX and the UNIX principle. And first of all I mean Lennart Poettering in this case. That's only one point. I, btw., also mentioned that you filed a bug report about this particular issue to upstream and that it is hopefully fixed. But nevertheless it shows that systemd was not complete, and that the systemd developer didn't think enough before releasing it, exactly like PulseAudio. I have the impression that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. And all those people who criticise PA, systemd and Lennart Poettering, too, have also no clue about what they are talking? All those people who mark those comments in several other forums totally green and who send comments in which they agree have also no clue? They are all stupid? And only you have the necessary knowledge? And only you are the wisdom in person? Is this what you want to say? I have the impression that you are one of those systemd fanboys, and just don't want to hear that systemd and PA have a lot of serious issues. And like I said in another thread, we're not talking about some fancy stuff like installing a GTK theme or the like. We're talking about serious and important, system relevant stuff. Btw., still no word about the reasons, why there are regularly so many and so long discussions about PA, systemd and Lennart Poettering, and not only here on this mailing list, but everywhere on the web. Still no word why those many, long discussions only appear about PA, systemd and Lennart Poettering and not about any other piece of software. You really should start thinking about this. And you should start soon. You really should take off your rose-colored glasses. Why don't you just delete the things you don't want? Why are those things, which I don't need and want, installed? Why am I forced to have this systemd stuff installed? And what, if I delete them manually? Shall I always delete them again and again after every system update? Sorry, that's not the way to go. Like I said before, if you would support systemd, sytemd-tools and everything else related to systemd totally optional, and keep initscripts pure initscripts without any systemd stuff like it was before, I would say nothing. But since you really force the users to install this systemd stuff, you will have to live with such comments, and not only from me, as you should know. Heiko
Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:15:32 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de /usr/lib/systemd/system Why don't you just delete the things you don't want? When not using systemd, is it ok to delete /usr/lib/systemd completely? Is it ok to replace libsystemd (or what ever is installed by dependencies) with a dummy-package? I'm not booted to Arch yet, so I don't know what exactly is installed. IMO dummy-packages are the best choice, if possible. E.g. regarding to pulseaudio the package https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=48718 isn't maintained anymore. I never used it, but directly build a pulseaudio dummy package, but IIRC libpulse still must be installed. Why should somebody maintain a package, when dummy packages does the same job? However, it's not that easy to know what is and what isn't needed. Look, you don't _have_ to use pacman to manage software. As I said elsewhere, dependencies on pulse, lirc, etc. are there for a reason. If you disagree with this reason, file a bugreport. But using dummy packages is just cheating. Regards, Ralf -- Leonid Isaev GnuPG key: 0x164B5A6D Fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE 775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no: You pointed out a feature that initsrcipts used to have which systemd-cryptsetup lacked, (on the same day) I posted a patch to implement the feature you requested, and asked for feedback (which you didn't give) Just to mention, you've also written that this patch you've written should not be used or tested in stable, productive environments. I only have one PC which needs to run stably and reliably. I can't run into danger that my data gets accidentally corrupted. And I don't trust systemd this much, but I trust my initscripts code. And I hadn't had time to set up a VM. Heiko
Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:03:51 +0200, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: If you disagree file a bugreport. Any hints where to file a bug report are welcome. Seemingly nobody is interested, as already explained by Heiko. But using dummy packages is just cheating. So I should do audio productions with a Linux, that is unable to use my audio card? How should I do this? Regards, Ralf
Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:14:25 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:03:51 +0200, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: If you disagree file a bugreport. Any hints where to file a bug report are welcome. Seemingly nobody is interested, as already explained by Heiko. You could talk to the respective package maintainers... But using dummy packages is just cheating. So I should do audio productions with a Linux, that is unable to use my audio card? How should I do this? Audio production? All I said that you should learn how package management works on linux. Regards, Ralf -- Leonid Isaev GnuPG key: 0x164B5A6D Fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE 775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:20:12 +0200, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:14:25 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:03:51 +0200, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: If you disagree file a bugreport. Any hints where to file a bug report are welcome. Seemingly nobody is interested, as already explained by Heiko. You could talk to the respective package maintainers... Maintainers for what package/packages? But using dummy packages is just cheating. So I should do audio productions with a Linux, that is unable to use my audio card? How should I do this? Audio production? All I said that you should learn how package management works on linux. What exactly do I need to learn? Regards, Ralf
Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?
2012/8/10 fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com: 2012/8/10 Brandon Watkins bwa...@gmail.com: Spellcheck is currently broken in 3.6.0 afiak, so probably best to wait until the point release. Well, if you don't wipe previous configuration, it could be broken. And as there is PKGBUILD.36 files, will try by myself. Good to learn some more things on build process :D Get it build, wiped my previous profile, and spellcheck seems to work. Now waiting for 3.6.1 :) Until then, I will play with my homemade version :D -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com
Re: [arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?
2012/8/10 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 14:20 -0700, David Benfell wrote: On 08/10/2012 06:47 AM, fredbezies wrote: Well, it is not the best answer I can get. And to answer another message, of course gstreamer bad plugins are installed. This sounds to me like an upstream problem, and so it should be taken to the relevant lists. The response you received is one I would expect here, where part of the advantage of this environment is that when one software package doesn't meet your needs, there are alternatives available. FWIW, perhaps there is something useful in the messages: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/08/msg00362.html Thanks. Will look at it later. But I can workaround this problem as I long as I have flac source instead of mp3. The OP now is using xfburn. My favorite is K3b. I even used K3b with GNOME2. No comment :D -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com
Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch
On 08/10/2012 08:03 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: [putolin] Look, you don't _have_ to use pacman to manage software. As I said elsewhere, dependencies on pulse, lirc, etc. are there for a reason. If you disagree with this reason, file a bugreport. But using dummy packages is just cheating. Then how does one install arch? pacman is very convenient Isn't pacman the only package manager for arch? I did not understand that arch had many options for package managers.
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Aug 11, 2012 3:11 AM, Heiko Baums lists@ li...@baums-on-web.debaumsli...@baums-on-web.de -on- li...@baums-on-web.deweb.de li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Just to mention, you've also written that this patch you've written should not be used or tested in stable, productive environments. I only have one PC which needs to run stably and reliably. I can't run into danger that my data gets accidentally corrupted. And I don't trust systemd this much, but I trust my initscripts code. And I hadn't had time to set up a VM. So you had a problem but when Tom wrote a patch you were unwilling to help test it? The patch that was wrote to specifically address your problem? I understand you might be low on free time but you are not a costumer. Someone else fixed then problem you encountered and your response was to whine. Is this how open source is supposed to work? Lastly, are the systemd parts initscripts currently use bothering you? How so? Because they are in a folded called 'systemd'? They seem to work alright. -- Thanasis Georgiou
Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: I have the impression that you are one of those systemd fanboys, and just don't want to hear that systemd and PA have a lot of serious issues. Issues, serious or otherwise, belong in the bug-tracker. We have surprisingly few systemd/pulseaudio bugs open, considering all the noise they create on the ML. Why don't you just delete the things you don't want? Why are those things, which I don't need and want, installed? Why am I forced to have this systemd stuff installed? And what, if I delete them manually? Shall I always delete them again and again after every system update? Sorry, that's not the way to go. Sorry, I didn't realise you were being serious. Of course you shouldn't delete them. If you don't use systemd they have no effect, and take hardly no space. Like I said before, if you would support systemd, sytemd-tools and everything else related to systemd totally optional, and keep initscripts pure initscripts without any systemd stuff like it was before, I would say nothing. But since you really force the users to install this systemd stuff, you will have to live with such comments, and not only from me, as you should know. I don't force anyone to do anything. If you see flaws in anything I do, then provide review, patches or bug reports. If you don't like the direction I'm taking initscripts in, then fork it and provide your competing version. To be clear: it has always been my plan to make initscripts and systemd as close to each other as possible and share as much code as possible. I strongly believe this is the right thing to do. If you disagree, then I think your time is better spent at coding a replacement rather than at whining. -t
[arch-general] systemd fsck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I just moved my desktop to systemd, and saw a couple things as I booted it for the first time: 1) It is *fast*. Let me say that again. It is *fast*. I have never seen a system come up this fast. Critics of systemd might want to consider that. 2) But I did notice an error that worried me--just because it looks worrying--as it came up: Aug 09 13:34:36 graton systemd-fsck[270]: /dev/sda3 is mounted. Aug 09 13:34:36 graton systemd-fsck[270]: e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting. Aug 09 13:34:36 graton systemd-fsck[270]: fsck failed with error code 8. Aug 09 13:34:36 graton systemd-fsck[270]: Ignoring error. Aug 09 13:34:36 graton systemd-fsck[289]: /dev/sdb1: clean, 398077/33554432 files, 27916145/134217728 blocks Aug 09 13:34:36 graton systemd-fsck[287]: /dev/sdb3: clean, 647214/21102592 files, 26531961/84405504 blocks Aug 09 13:34:36 graton systemd-fsck[348]: /dev/sda4: clean, 1650719/59490304 files, 57620902/237931957 blocks Aug 09 13:34:37 graton systemd-fsck[320]: /dev/sda1: clean, 33/10040 files, 22152/40160 blocks Aug 09 13:34:37 graton systemd-fsck[293]: /dev/sdb2: clean, 4926903/67125248 files, 195736925/268500992 blocks /dev/sda3 is the root partition. - -- David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQJdEsAAoJELT202JKF+xpR8EP/RAqqrPz2pumaHET2XLI97UC zd52iPPuc8nh75Xh8Jd5x0dPkd4xuGtRCiu8pRSLgX63o3iAOQtMcwFsBaOk0mN6 gjwJLbi0DM2VIYrlGS9VpG86w30uVhQLuuFwT4WasLJ5pKLfbKSw5lEXp56WQ597 qZmZ+L04MzkKKLAk4UENywF0hWy4fsDGgOPVg1nfhHJyFAd6aRtqxNSE4waoWAdI HjdAx5SYIDnu69O/UhqJ1GJOEiJxZaQYslQjmGYhHFDJfE1NJuDcY6XM+LeDGeyc ibKaDD96hTpL5meJAV+ZtglMJH9cRtNX69jqT5wnX141lOSXf19ybD7TRfXyMilV rBZfxfu1crDp4osbBYrMeRxYoK/Wr0HBWoknS6+RhpOheLUCMvV+xwcb4HMvrnKk 7i+LVCdNgb2Ul/vsG/MDZURgfKAgaYLtGMca2k8Ms1Q1paIkieD9fJg6sC8cbPNo yO9KfXsq8K4DnPwEJu0pJoOFr0lxPDqk2FFgBJnEjcpHVJqV4aqSTwgDcA0EzKw0 7wgAmczBbgUKxCoQehavsRRTm8QqjbM6yjCrwp44Ek4auL5taog32LnEw/GVreTh vOHNtMyOC6GzZfOJixEc5QmZx2J6iI9L9/MX0oEJiZcDh3gGRgfYUwFEdF+R+CfC h1s40baqzeVk/l/INX+V =ijAC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?
Yeah, it does work. I had a read a few posts earlier saying that spellcheck was broken in libreoffice 3.6, but it turns out it was all hyperbole, they were just referring to this bug which is certainly not totally broken spellcheck: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53006 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 8:29 PM, fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/8/10 fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com: 2012/8/10 Brandon Watkins bwa...@gmail.com: Spellcheck is currently broken in 3.6.0 afiak, so probably best to wait until the point release. Well, if you don't wipe previous configuration, it could be broken. And as there is PKGBUILD.36 files, will try by myself. Good to learn some more things on build process :D Get it build, wiped my previous profile, and spellcheck seems to work. Now waiting for 3.6.1 :) Until then, I will play with my homemade version :D -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com
Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch
On 11 Aug 2012 08:14, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: But using dummy packages is just cheating. So I should do audio productions with a Linux, that is unable to use my audio card? How should I do this? Regards, Ralf By installing a distro that doesn't force you to use pulseaudio. Oh wait, that's Arch.
