Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[G. Schlisio]

> I would personally recommend the Project Sputnik hardware from Dell
> ,
> in particular the XPS 13 Developer Edition .They put a decent amount of
> effort into making sure the BIOS and firmware at least work with the latest
> version of Ubuntu and mainline these for the most part. Worst comes to
> worst, you can just repackage the stuff from Ubuntu but I'd say pretty much
> everything is working as well as it should on mainline Arch today.

[…]

>> Not exactly open-source/FSF-endorsed but https://system76.com/ sells
>> laptops with Ubuntu-preinstalled so those are also guaranteed to run Arch.

we should propably collect such knowledge in the wiki. something like
"hardware guide" or similar?

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Arsalan Afzal via arch-general]

I would personally recommend the Project Sputnik hardware from Dell
,
in particular the XPS 13 Developer Edition .They put a decent amount of
effort into making sure the BIOS and firmware at least work with the latest
version of Ubuntu and mainline these for the most part. Worst comes to
worst, you can just repackage the stuff from Ubuntu but I'd say pretty much
everything is working as well as it should on mainline Arch today.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Maxwell Anselm via arch-general <
arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote:

> >
> > Do you Have any pointer to good opensource hardware ?
>
>
> Not exactly open-source/FSF-endorsed but https://system76.com/ sells
> laptops with Ubuntu-preinstalled so those are also guaranteed to run Arch.
>

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Maxwell Anselm via arch-general]

>
> Do you Have any pointer to good opensource hardware ?


Not exactly open-source/FSF-endorsed but https://system76.com/ sells
laptops with Ubuntu-preinstalled so those are also guaranteed to run Arch.

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Martin Kühne via arch-general]

The FSF has a directory of hardware that respects geek's freedom [0].
I've recently been on a UK based liberated hardware seller, but hell I
can't dig up the link right now.

cheers!
mar77i

[0] http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom

[arch-general] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] i686 and SSE2

[Martin Kühne via arch-general]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Daniel Micay via arch-dev-public
 wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 21:12 +0200, Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:
> ... Can [you] give people
> enough time to work out a way of doing automated builds, even official
> ones if there are developers / trusted users interested in doing it. It
> isn't going to get automated away without making it clear that it will
> be dropped at a certain date whether or not that's implemented.


If that means that I could use this automation to make optimised
builds for my Geode less of a hassle, I'm glad you guys are having
this conversation.

cheers!
mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Plonky Duby via arch-general]

Good evening,

Do you Have any pointer to good opensource hardware ?

Le 28 sept. 2016 21:04, "Jude DaShiell"  a écrit :

> That or buy an open architecture device.  The new computer I have is an
> open architecture computer for that very reason and I bought that last year.
>
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Martin K?hne via arch-general wrote:
>
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:55:54
>> From: Martin K?hne via arch-general 
>> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
>> Cc: Martin K?hne 
>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks
>> Linux Installation
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> I worry about if and how this will affect Arch.  Any opinions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's a thing people have to be wary about. Average arch users may have
>> similar laziness with regards to what their hardware requirements are
>> as users of other distros - we're so used to have stuff just working.
>> So the only advice I can give, if you should figure out you buy a new
>> device, save your receipt so you get your money back.
>>
>> cheers!
>> mar77i
>>
>>
> --
>

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Jude DaShiell]

That or buy an open architecture device.  The new computer I have is an 
open architecture computer for that very reason and I bought that last 
year.


On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Martin K?hne via arch-general wrote:


Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:55:54
From: Martin K?hne via arch-general 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Cc: Martin K?hne 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks
Linux Installation

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general
 wrote:

I worry about if and how this will affect Arch.  Any opinions?





It's a thing people have to be wary about. Average arch users may have
similar laziness with regards to what their hardware requirements are
as users of other distros - we're so used to have stuff just working.
So the only advice I can give, if you should figure out you buy a new
device, save your receipt so you get your money back.

cheers!
mar77i



--

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Martin Kühne via arch-general]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general
 wrote:
> I worry about if and how this will affect Arch.  Any opinions?
>
>


It's a thing people have to be wary about. Average arch users may have
similar laziness with regards to what their hardware requirements are
as users of other distros - we're so used to have stuff just working.
So the only advice I can give, if you should figure out you buy a new
device, save your receipt so you get your money back.

cheers!
mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Martin Kühne via arch-general]

If anything, it's intel being asswipe lazy to not upstream linux
drivers for this new raid mode.

cheers!
mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Simon Doppler]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:35:04 -0400
Francis Gerund via arch-general  wrote:

> I worry about if and how this will affect Arch.  Any opinions?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Kyle Bassett via arch-general <
> arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote:
> 
> > This is insane!  Apple set the precedent with smart phones, but now we have
> > Trusted Computing Creep in desktops.  Used are losing further control of
> > their own devices.
> >
> > Ugh.
> >
> > On 28 Sep 2016 11:27, "D C via arch-general" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Wow, is MS desperate or something?
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Francis Gerund via arch-general
> >  wrote:  
> > > https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1516230/  
> > microsoft-signature-pc-  
> > > requirements-now-blocks-linux-installation-reports?sbsrc=md
> > >
> > > It was nice while it lasted.
> > >
> > >   
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Public_Key_Block.asc
> >  

This won't really affect Arch any more than any other new hardware
missing a driver, because that's all it really is (source: [1]). This
hardware won't be usable until someone (either a someone with knowledge
and free time or Lenovo or Intel) provides a driver for this hardware.

[1]:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/d7wekux

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Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[D C via arch-general]

I'm not gonna lie, this is all a tad technical even for me, but
wouldn't intsalling an AMD chip solve the issue?

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Doug Newgard  wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:24:25 -0400
> Francis Gerund via arch-general  wrote:
>
>> https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1516230/microsoft-signature-pc-
>> requirements-now-blocks-linux-installation-reports?sbsrc=md
>>
>> It was nice while it lasted.
>>
>> 
>
> They don't "block" Linux. They are using a higher performance RAID setup that
> there's simply no Linux driver for yet. Once someone creates one, you'll be
> able to install Linux. This is normal with new hardware, it happens all of the
> time.



-- 
Public_Key_Block.asc

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Dragon ryu via arch-general]

2016/09/29 1:22 "D C via arch-general" :
>
> I'm not gonna lie, this is all a tad technical even for me, but
> wouldn't intsalling an AMD chip solve the issue?
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Doug Newgard 
wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:24:25 -0400
> > Francis Gerund via arch-general  wrote:
> >
> >>
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1516230/microsoft-signature-pc-
> >> requirements-now-blocks-linux-installation-reports?sbsrc=md
> >>
> >> It was nice while it lasted.
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > They don't "block" Linux. They are using a higher performance RAID
setup that
> > there's simply no Linux driver for yet. Once someone creates one,
you'll be
> > able to install Linux. This is normal with new hardware, it happens all
of the
> > time.
>
>
>
> --
> Public_Key_Block.asc

hmm. Interesting.
rather " 'driver' should be included inside kernel, or not" will separates
priority and difficulty...
All we need is wait. I assume.

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Doug Newgard]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:24:25 -0400
Francis Gerund via arch-general  wrote:

> https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1516230/microsoft-signature-pc-
> requirements-now-blocks-linux-installation-reports?sbsrc=md
> 
> It was nice while it lasted.
> 
> 

They don't "block" Linux. They are using a higher performance RAID setup that
there's simply no Linux driver for yet. Once someone creates one, you'll be
able to install Linux. This is normal with new hardware, it happens all of the
time.

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Francis Gerund via arch-general]

I worry about if and how this will affect Arch.  Any opinions?


On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Kyle Bassett via arch-general <
arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote:

> This is insane!  Apple set the precedent with smart phones, but now we have
> Trusted Computing Creep in desktops.  Used are losing further control of
> their own devices.
>
> Ugh.
>
> On 28 Sep 2016 11:27, "D C via arch-general" 
> wrote:
>
> Wow, is MS desperate or something?
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Francis Gerund via arch-general
>  wrote:
> > https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1516230/
> microsoft-signature-pc-
> > requirements-now-blocks-linux-installation-reports?sbsrc=md
> >
> > It was nice while it lasted.
> >
> > 
>
>
>
> --
> Public_Key_Block.asc
>

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Kyle Bassett via arch-general]

This is insane!  Apple set the precedent with smart phones, but now we have
Trusted Computing Creep in desktops.  Used are losing further control of
their own devices.

Ugh.

On 28 Sep 2016 11:27, "D C via arch-general" 
wrote:

Wow, is MS desperate or something?

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Francis Gerund via arch-general
 wrote:
> https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1516230/
microsoft-signature-pc-
> requirements-now-blocks-linux-installation-reports?sbsrc=md
>
> It was nice while it lasted.
>
> 



--
Public_Key_Block.asc

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[D C via arch-general]

Wow, is MS desperate or something?

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Francis Gerund via arch-general
 wrote:
> https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1516230/microsoft-signature-pc-
> requirements-now-blocks-linux-installation-reports?sbsrc=md
>
> It was nice while it lasted.
>
> 



-- 
Public_Key_Block.asc

[arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

[Francis Gerund via arch-general]

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1516230/microsoft-signature-pc-
requirements-now-blocks-linux-installation-reports?sbsrc=md

It was nice while it lasted.