Re: [arch-general] Installing without using AIF?
That's a good point. Gentoo for example has a good in-depth explanation of all the steps involved in an installation. Maybe some inspiration can be taken from there. Hi all. While indeed Gentoo have a detailed step-by-step guide to install the system I also find it somewhat boring and burdensome, but the really important thing here is that they have the install guide that way because Gentoo is a little more tedious to install when compared with Arch's simplicity - no flame here, just the facts. So far what I saw at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Install_Scripts is really neat! I must say I did not install any Arch that way yet, but it seems trivial to do that following wiki's instructions and -most important- the possibility to install the system by chrooting it -so you can installing everything else before the first boot- just rocks. On the other hand I don't think this can drive any new user away more than if we continue using the traditional AIF procedure because, and let's be real on this, the average 'final' user is even affraid of using something like AIF (I hear that all the time); but on the contrary, more technical people who wants to dive into GNU/Linux and learn about Arch will have no problem to follow simple instructions to install their system. What I do expect to see -actually I really would like to see- in the installation media are both the Arch Install Scripts wiki article plus the Beginner's Guide -- but also the Unofficial Beginner's Guide would be a welcome bonus. Cheers! -- -msx
[arch-general] Installing without using AIF?
Given the significant changes to key packages in recent times as well as the main AIF developer leaving I thought I would start looking at how to do a clean install without reference to AIF. There are new isos now available which have dropped AIF in favour of the arch-install-scripts but as yet I have not seen much documentation with guidance on installs from scratch that would be easy to follow without leaving out key steps. Does anyone know of any new wiki entries or other step by step guides available that would allow someone like me with 10 years of linux experience, but with only experience of arch in the past year, to run a standard arch base install for a laptop or desktop, which has BIOS boot (no UEFI) but using grub2 (since that looks like the standard in the future) rather than grub, with standard old style partitioning (i.e. not GPT), and ending up with a dual boot system with its original Windows XP bootable as well as the base arch system bootable, and ready to then configure as a usable customised system later? Thanks -- mike c
Re: [arch-general] Installing without using AIF?
On Jul 16, 2012 11:53 AM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: Given the significant changes to key packages in recent times as well as the main AIF developer leaving I thought I would start looking at how to do a clean install without reference to AIF. There are new isos now available which have dropped AIF in favour of the arch-install-scripts but as yet I have not seen much documentation with guidance on installs from scratch that would be easy to follow without leaving out key steps. Does anyone know of any new wiki entries or other step by step guides available that would allow someone like me with 10 years of linux experience, but with only experience of arch in the past year, to run a standard arch base install for a laptop or desktop, which has BIOS boot (no UEFI) but using grub2 (since that looks like the standard in the future) rather than grub, with standard old style partitioning (i.e. not GPT), and ending up with a dual boot system with its original Windows XP bootable as well as the base arch system bootable, and ready to then configure as a usable customised system later? This should be a start: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Install_Scripts -t
Re: [arch-general] Installing without using AIF?
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:04 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks - yes I had seen this link and it is really terse - I was hoping there was something available with a little more detail though... I'd be happy to add more details to that wiki page, if people post questions they have about it. -t
Re: [arch-general] Installing without using AIF?
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: I'd be happy to add more details to that wiki page, if people post questions they have about it. -t Hello. Most of the stuff (like partitioning, configuration etc) are already explained in detail in other pages. Perhaps, what is needed is some more details on what each of the steps does exactly. This way people people will know what they need to do and for what to search for if they need more information. For example, what does arch-chroot do? People that are not familiar with chroot in general, might find this and perhaps the steps following it confusing, since they might not understand that they are actually editing the installation and not the live fs. Regards, Chris Sakalis
Re: [arch-general] Installing without using AIF?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/16/2012 05:10 PM, Chris Sakalis wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: I'd be happy to add more details to that wiki page, if people post questions they have about it. -t Hello. Most of the stuff (like partitioning, configuration etc) are already explained in detail in other pages. Perhaps, what is needed is some more details on what each of the steps does exactly. This way people people will know what they need to do and for what to search for if they need more information. For example, what does arch-chroot do? People that are not familiar with chroot in general, might find this and perhaps the steps following it confusing, since they might not understand that they are actually editing the installation and not the live fs. Regards, Chris Sakalis That's a good point. Gentoo for example has a good in-depth explanation of all the steps involved in an installation. Maybe some inspiration can be taken from there. Greetings, Christoph -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJQBDmnAAoJEOGIwUZuUxpncbgP/RE+Lz0hyz1mmxPhpYisoF85 HDxecKaIrRol5VbvyqdfJd1dx7Xhz73V/E7+zWhN4uVihwzptsaEgBnKHnUPodlK y7XfhyfqHY/Du0sXVsMPgSMYn5xbUzLNlCNhotHYMJ1iFdesiqzq2ZD+kyLpma8m 6P1s165aOGTfh7TJY39k0cHmZuhGWus9gxmAoSXCTRHb55a68rRBtxLYvp8/IcMy D5rgGOQvK7gzgoN71gaRNKeJwBJmzTZAUdz04FMqYeD66pdkkYB2oAwlAVtRzudy CtEclCT6/L+g1ZvboXsm+ADFRtmwo7fyRdPV5B+34wNEnZwGK1Ar3dJpfr61mYp8 /6Zh1yfnR3TpJuawTF7uR5iz3BApXQ6RW/sENSwarcouuDLqIIQBAAAv2tLW2sFI eeeloB1Pu7pO6fwPUq9wpHoZyOa4hiph/1m0gFMOv9ojh6AcNfj86JE50lBCxn8I 0Sx7Kuuqktc6bHm8IcqgjO+HQ3WHSElArGu0tNKkw4eeiNTlwZCJVtsMU720Q0ba itUX3EYrtdpNR31q0nY6smiiQcSMTKwqIJV28v9Xy+RGW5q5M4tViU3QMMPwnKCv w/6+P0EhpwjRzc26YQ50aT3nnri14q2FnkM/suuzvTSnz6YVYaXhKtwKYWv/4jsI 9MW9aOuh9EV9IT54d83Y =glCI -END PGP SIGNATURE-
