Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
On 03/17/2010 10:51 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Hopefull back on topic... I have gotten kde3 working on my new server (mostly). Currently, I simply soft-linked libjpeg.so.62 and libpng12.so and libpng12.so.0 to the current libs which was enough to get kde3 going. There are still major problems (no background setting capability - colors work), no icons (except for fusion-icon and a few others). I think the whole problem is that kde3 needs to be built against all the current libraries - CAN I DO THAT?? I have downloaded the kde3 3.5.10 source from kde.org and I have downloaded the qt-3.3.8 X11-qt-3.3.8 sources from trolltech. The build instructions seem doable. My question to the smart guys on the list is: DO I HAVE A CHANCE IN HELL of being able to compile it against the current Arch? This I ask to save considerable time if the venture is fruitless. Doubtful. I actually experimented a while back with being the maintainer for kde3 packages in the AUR (using the last known old Arch KDE3.5 PKGBUILD's), but I wasn't able to build one of the core packages (either kdebase or kdelibs - can't remember which). I don't remember off the top of my head what the build problem was though. Latest info I have on cause is here: http://chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=1097&p=2 If you're really interested in pursuing this, I would try digging up the old PKGBUILDs for kdebase and kdelibs and try building them. If you succeed, then you've probably got a good chance of succeeding at the whole effort. But, IMO - as I've said before - I think you should just give up on KDE3 already. DR
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
On 03/17/2010 10:44 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: fish, sftp, kdiff3 integration It is the most bleeding fantastic file manager going +1 Konqueror is an awesome filemanager - and the fish/sftp/etc. kioslaves are the reason why. It gives me a unified file management system that I can use to access *any* type of file, whether local, remote (using just about *any* network protocol, no less!), archived, etc. Much as I love Xfce, I still use konqueror on my box because Thunar doesn't have this yet. (Although they're going to be introducing is soon - using GNOME's gio.) DR
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
On 03/17/2010 10:09 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > Also, kde3 kate works, but you get a lot of warnings dumped to console. Does > anyone know the what the problem causing the following messages is: > > kate: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype text/plain > kate: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype application/x-sharedlib > > Here is a quandary: Compiz works fine with kde3, it even draws the 'Skydome' background from either jpg or png. (it won't draw the wallpaper) But how does compiz draw the skydome when kde3 won't even draw the wallpaper? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
On 03/17/2010 09:51 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 03/03/2010 05:20 PM, Giovanni Scafora wrote: > > Hopefull back on topic... > > I have gotten kde3 working on my new server (mostly). Currently, I > simply > soft-linked libjpeg.so.62 and libpng12.so and libpng12.so.0 to the current > libs > which was enough to get kde3 going. There are still major problems (no > background setting capability - colors work), no icons (except for fusion-icon > and a few others). I think the whole problem is that kde3 needs to be built > against all the current libraries - CAN I DO THAT?? > > I have downloaded the kde3 3.5.10 source from kde.org and I have > downloaded the > qt-3.3.8 X11-qt-3.3.8 sources from trolltech. The build instructions seem > doable. My question to the smart guys on the list is: > > DO I HAVE A CHANCE IN HELL of being able to compile it against the current > Arch? > > This I ask to save considerable time if the venture is fruitless. > Also, kde3 kate works, but you get a lot of warnings dumped to console. Does anyone know the what the problem causing the following messages is: kate: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype text/plain kate: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype application/x-sharedlib -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
On 03/03/2010 05:20 PM, Giovanni Scafora wrote: > 2010/3/4, David C. Rankin : >> 13:47 archangel:~> /opt/kde/bin/konqueror --profile filemanagement >> /opt/kde/bin/konqueror: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: >> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > > Try libpng12 from AUR. > > Hopefull back on topic... I have gotten kde3 working on my new server (mostly). Currently, I simply soft-linked libjpeg.so.62 and libpng12.so and libpng12.so.0 to the current libs which was enough to get kde3 going. There are still major problems (no background setting capability - colors work), no icons (except for fusion-icon and a few others). I think the whole problem is that kde3 needs to be built against all the current libraries - CAN I DO THAT?? I have downloaded the kde3 3.5.10 source from kde.org and I have downloaded the qt-3.3.8 X11-qt-3.3.8 sources from trolltech. The build instructions seem doable. My question to the smart guys on the list is: DO I HAVE A CHANCE IN HELL of being able to compile it against the current Arch? This I ask to save considerable time if the venture is fruitless. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
On 03/05/2010 01:16 AM, Brendan Long wrote: > On 03/04/2010 05:22 PM, Baho Utot wrote: >> The only thing I really need from KDE is the Konqueror web browser. > > Wait.. someone who actually likes Konqueror? Why? > Why, fish, sftp, kdiff3 integration, single click focus in the space between the end of the filename and size column, it remembers where it was if you preview and image (something k4 konqueror can't get right to date), it maintains its UI settings between sessions (ditto) and many many more reasons. It is the most bleeding fantastic file manager going until they ruined it by trashing the konqueror backend and moving to the 'dolphin' backend for k4. Oh, one more -- it has working help if you need it :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
Laurie Clark-Michalek wrote: On 6 March 2010 00:22, Baho Utot wrote: Laurie Clark-Michalek wrote: [putolin] Wait.. someone who actually likes Konqueror? Why? Because I can allow javascript per url. I can turn off javascript as a default and then turn it on for only online transactions ie buying stuff from newegg/banking. Firefox with NoScript? Works fine for me here, and things like temporary privileges help a lot when browsing unknown sites. I don't like add to things to get them to work as I am not of the microsoft mind set. One buys a microsoft OS and you have to add a truckload of stuff just to get it to do something, then it fails. So... you don't install anything on your arch linux box? No nothing as I am not running an Arch linux box. I have killed them all off, I now run a custom built system based on LFS. Both on desktops and servers. I installed the linux kernel, and it worked, but I had to install Glib, bash, boost, and the majority of the base group to get it to do anything. However, I can see your point. Not adding a truckload of stuff would remove the need for a package manager, and I've always seen them as a nuisance, always breaking down and needing updating :) I don't have a/any package manager, I build the systems from bash scripts and a Makefile. On my quad core 8GB box give me about 6 hours and it's ready to run. Basic command line to KDE 3.5.10 ready for adding users and setting them up. If you do a find and replace on most anti linux/anti microsoft arguments, you'll find that they are remarkably portable :)
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
On 6 March 2010 00:22, Baho Utot wrote: > Laurie Clark-Michalek wrote: > > > [putolin] > > Wait.. someone who actually likes Konqueror? Why? >>> >>> Because I can allow javascript per url. >>> I can turn off javascript as a default and then turn it on for only >>> online >>> transactions ie buying stuff from newegg/banking. >>> >>> >>> >> >> Firefox with NoScript? Works fine for me here, and things like >> temporary privileges help a lot when browsing unknown sites. >> >> > > I don't like add to things to get them to work as I am not of the microsoft > mind set. > > One buys a microsoft OS and you have to add a truckload of stuff just to get > it to do something, then it fails. > > So... you don't install anything on your arch linux box? I installed the linux kernel, and it worked, but I had to install Glib, bash, boost, and the majority of the base group to get it to do anything. However, I can see your point. Not adding a truckload of stuff would remove the need for a package manager, and I've always seen them as a nuisance, always breaking down and needing updating :) If you do a find and replace on most anti linux/anti microsoft arguments, you'll find that they are remarkably portable :) -- Laurie
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
Laurie Clark-Michalek wrote: [putolin] Wait.. someone who actually likes Konqueror? Why? Because I can allow javascript per url. I can turn off javascript as a default and then turn it on for only online transactions ie buying stuff from newegg/banking. Firefox with NoScript? Works fine for me here, and things like temporary privileges help a lot when browsing unknown sites. I don't like add to things to get them to work as I am not of the microsoft mind set. One buys a microsoft OS and you have to add a truckload of stuff just to get it to do something, then it fails.
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
On 5 March 2010 09:48, Baho Utot wrote: > Brendan Long wrote: >> >> On 03/04/2010 05:22 PM, Baho Utot wrote: >> >>> >>> The only thing I really need from KDE is the Konqueror web browser. >>> >> >> Wait.. someone who actually likes Konqueror? Why? >> > > Because I can allow javascript per url. > I can turn off javascript as a default and then turn it on for only online > transactions ie buying stuff from newegg/banking. > > Firefox with NoScript? Works fine for me here, and things like temporary privileges help a lot when browsing unknown sites. -- Laurie
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
Brendan Long wrote: On 03/04/2010 05:22 PM, Baho Utot wrote: The only thing I really need from KDE is the Konqueror web browser. Wait.. someone who actually likes Konqueror? Why? Because I can allow javascript per url. I can turn off javascript as a default and then turn it on for only online transactions ie buying stuff from newegg/banking.
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
On 03/04/2010 05:22 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > The only thing I really need from KDE is the Konqueror web browser. Wait.. someone who actually likes Konqueror? Why?
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
Laurie Clark-Michalek wrote: [putolin] point and rebuttal is rather childish and silly, the principal is, KDE 4 isn't perfect. The version of KDE 3 you are using is the last, and thus I imagine in many ways, it is perfect. Everything works, and it is stable software. The first version of KDE 3 was released in 2002, and the last in 2008. That's 6 years. KDE 4.0 was released in January 2008, so get back to me in 2014, and tell me what your opinion of the latest release of KDE 4 is like. They'll probably have fixed the column width problem XD That's like saying world hunger is going to be solved and yes it has some problems but get back to me in 2099. I am not waiting that long, I am using KDE 3.5.10 and when I finally can't use that I am going to Xcfe. The only thing I really need from KDE is the Konqueror web browser.
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
On 4 March 2010 08:11, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 03/03/2010 10:15 PM, Sébastien Leblanc wrote: >> David, are you running kdemod-legacy? If not, you should try it. >> >> Sébastien Leblanc >> > > Sebastien > > Yes, I'm running kdemod3-legacy. It has been really great for a long > time. (Not > to mention I have the whole thing cached so moving it around is a breeze) > > I'm using the rit repo: > > [kdemod-legacy] > Server = http://mirror.rit.edu/kdemod/legacy/x86_64 > > When I did the install a few days ago, I was pleased to notice that > some of the > packages had been updated in the past month or two. I'll try the AUR libpng > suggestions and see if that doesn't get kde3 back. > > to > firing up kde44 for the first time on this box> > > > > And.. I just went through the initial run through of kde44 on the > new > server and it would be 'funny' if it wasn't so 'sad'. How much more lipstick > are > we going to put on that pig?? > > Don't get me wrong, it is a gorgeous desktop, but the basics and > fundamentals > are so F'ed up it is ridiculous. The more we struggle with it, the more I am > convinced that it is a fundamental flaw in the widget set that kde4 is built > on > that is the inherent cause of a large part of the usability problems. (that > and > -- kde4 is so far behind that they are just throwing code together so the > milestone check-boxes can be checked off regardless of result.) I don't think > the devs have adequate fine-grained control over the polymorphized > mutiply-inherited widget set kde4 is built on to be able to fix much of what > is > wrong with the desktop. > > Case in point, I go to add fonts which requires the root password for > system > wide font install, but the "[ ] remember for this session" check box is > missing > so you have to enter the root password for every single font you selected. > Damn > glad I only selected about 30 to add... How does something like that > disappear. > It probably went to the same place the color setting controls went for the > system monitor cpu, network, etc... plasmoids. Off in La,La land somewhere... > > Then there is whatever konqueror has now become. I can use it, in fact > I even > like it, but it is so frustrating to work with you just want to scream. Simple > crap like it remembering the size of the columns you have set, but it can't > even > get that right. I mean go adjust view properties add owner, group and > permissions, then size the columns so you have a reasonable file name field > width and a tidy width for the remaining columns so you have no horizontal > scroll at the bottom. Then go settings -> configure konqueror, choose any > setting and click "Apply", the columns automagically resize them selves every > time. What is this some dime-store gui framework that can't do simple stuff > like > remember column sizes? That never happened in kde3. > > Then there is the complete lack of logical layout for any of the > controls on a > majority of the dialogs. Wasted space everywhere. Go right click the desktop, > click activity settings to change the wallpaper and look at all the wasted > space > those three silly controls take up at the top of the wallpaper thumbnail list > and that huge amount of space that monitor icon takes up on the right side. > > At the very least, those controls should be on the right-side under > the little > monitor icon that takes up a quarter of the dialog width so you could have the > thumbnail list extend to the top of the dialog showing 2-3 more thumbnails > with > each scroll. > > Then there is the scrolling itself, kde4 can't even figure out how to > scroll an > even "page up/page down" (or list up/list down) without something getting > stuck > 1/2 in and 1/2 out of the viewing area or skipping 2-3 items altogether -- and > we have been dealing with these same problems since June 4, 2008 with the > "Official" release of 4.0.4! > > But, it is a damn good looking desktop :p > > I feel better now I just don't see any light at the end of the > tunnel? I certainly thought that by the 4.4 release, all of this beta and .0 > (dot zero) type stuff would be gone. At this rate, I could see many of the > same > frustrations being dealt with in 2012. And if it isn't fixed before the Mayan > calendar runs out.. who knows :p Oh well, que sara flux, xfce, openbox, > windowmaker, gnome, etc.. all still do a fine job and they do it without any > scrolling problems > > > > -- > David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. > Rankin Law Firm, PLLC > 510 Ochiltree Street > Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 > Telephone: (936) 715-9333 > Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 > www.rankinlawfirm.com > Well I like it :) This is sure to get one of us told off for not keeping it relatively on topic, but hey, everyone's got to have fun some time. There are problems. The biggest for me is that after setting your wallpaper, and pressing apply, the OK bu
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
On 03/03/2010 10:15 PM, Sébastien Leblanc wrote: > David, are you running kdemod-legacy? If not, you should try it. > > Sébastien Leblanc > Sebastien Yes, I'm running kdemod3-legacy. It has been really great for a long time. (Not to mention I have the whole thing cached so moving it around is a breeze) I'm using the rit repo: [kdemod-legacy] Server = http://mirror.rit.edu/kdemod/legacy/x86_64 When I did the install a few days ago, I was pleased to notice that some of the packages had been updated in the past month or two. I'll try the AUR libpng suggestions and see if that doesn't get kde3 back. And.. I just went through the initial run through of kde44 on the new server and it would be 'funny' if it wasn't so 'sad'. How much more lipstick are we going to put on that pig?? Don't get me wrong, it is a gorgeous desktop, but the basics and fundamentals are so F'ed up it is ridiculous. The more we struggle with it, the more I am convinced that it is a fundamental flaw in the widget set that kde4 is built on that is the inherent cause of a large part of the usability problems. (that and -- kde4 is so far behind that they are just throwing code together so the milestone check-boxes can be checked off regardless of result.) I don't think the devs have adequate fine-grained control over the polymorphized mutiply-inherited widget set kde4 is built on to be able to fix much of what is wrong with the desktop. Case in point, I go to add fonts which requires the root password for system wide font install, but the "[ ] remember for this session" check box is missing so you have to enter the root password for every single font you selected. Damn glad I only selected about 30 to add... How does something like that disappear. It probably went to the same place the color setting controls went for the system monitor cpu, network, etc... plasmoids. Off in La,La land somewhere... Then there is whatever konqueror has now become. I can use it, in fact I even like it, but it is so frustrating to work with you just want to scream. Simple crap like it remembering the size of the columns you have set, but it can't even get that right. I mean go adjust view properties add owner, group and permissions, then size the columns so you have a reasonable file name field width and a tidy width for the remaining columns so you have no horizontal scroll at the bottom. Then go settings -> configure konqueror, choose any setting and click "Apply", the columns automagically resize them selves every time. What is this some dime-store gui framework that can't do simple stuff like remember column sizes? That never happened in kde3. Then there is the complete lack of logical layout for any of the controls on a majority of the dialogs. Wasted space everywhere. Go right click the desktop, click activity settings to change the wallpaper and look at all the wasted space those three silly controls take up at the top of the wallpaper thumbnail list and that huge amount of space that monitor icon takes up on the right side. At the very least, those controls should be on the right-side under the little monitor icon that takes up a quarter of the dialog width so you could have the thumbnail list extend to the top of the dialog showing 2-3 more thumbnails with each scroll. Then there is the scrolling itself, kde4 can't even figure out how to scroll an even "page up/page down" (or list up/list down) without something getting stuck 1/2 in and 1/2 out of the viewing area or skipping 2-3 items altogether -- and we have been dealing with these same problems since June 4, 2008 with the "Official" release of 4.0.4! But, it is a damn good looking desktop :p I feel better now I just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel? I certainly thought that by the 4.4 release, all of this beta and .0 (dot zero) type stuff would be gone. At this rate, I could see many of the same frustrations being dealt with in 2012. And if it isn't fixed before the Mayan calendar runs out.. who knows :p Oh well, que sara flux, xfce, openbox, windowmaker, gnome, etc.. all still do a fine job and they do it without any scrolling problems -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
David, are you running kdemod-legacy? If not, you should try it. Sébastien Leblanc
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
KDE's output to terminal is new in 4.4. Before that, I could launch any kde from the command line and continue to work from it. Since the upgrade I'm just flooded. Could that be a build issue? Debuging output making its way into a final package?
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
+ LD_PRELOAD
Samuel Martín Moro
CamTrace
{EPITECH.} tek4
"Nobody wants to say how this works.
Maybe nobody knows ..."
Xorg.conf(5)
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Giovanni Scafora wrote:
> 2010/3/4, David C. Rankin :
> > 13:47 archangel:~> /opt/kde/bin/konqueror --profile filemanagement
> > /opt/kde/bin/konqueror: error while loading shared libraries:
> libpng12.so.0:
> > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Try libpng12 from AUR.
>
>
> --
> Arch Linux Developer
> http://www.archlinux.org
> http://www.archlinux.it
>
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
2010/3/4, David C. Rankin : > 13:47 archangel:~> /opt/kde/bin/konqueror --profile filemanagement > /opt/kde/bin/konqueror: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Try libpng12 from AUR. -- Arch Linux Developer http://www.archlinux.org http://www.archlinux.it
Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?
Am Donnerstag, 4. März 2010 00:16:38 schrieb David C. Rankin: > If possible, I would very much like to have the kde3 versions > running. Can I just sym link to the latest libpng? No, you should rebuild KDE3 to link against latest libs. You will probably need to use the latest version from the 3.5 branch and some hacks for the vuild system. See the kdelibs3 package for those. -- Pierre Schmitz, https://users.archlinux.de/~pierre
