Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 17:34:42 and regarding: Did you reboot during this time frame? Perhaps the alsa modules were loaded, and when you finally rebooted (on the 20th?), they weren't there to be re-loaded. Oh, yes, sorry for not including that. This is on my laptop so it get booted at least once daily. I know I'm missing a piece of the puzzle here. Obviously the software was doing what it was supposed to, I just ended up in some whacked out config where -- the fact I ended up in that state is what took me by surprise. I didn't have time to pick this one apart 'log entry-by-log entry', so I just chocked it up to my reasonable suspicion of operator error :-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
2009/12/3 Raghavendra Prabhu raghu.prabh...@gmail.com haha... I think we may soon see RTFM replacing DTFG(Do the F* Googling) or something better It is not Do that Friendly Google ? : ) -- Cordialement, Coues Ludovic 06 148 743 42 -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
It depends on what you put for F in RTFM,same thing in DTFG. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM, ludovic coues cou...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/3 Raghavendra Prabhu raghu.prabh...@gmail.com haha... I think we may soon see RTFM replacing DTFG(Do the F* Googling) or something better It is not Do that Friendly Google ? : ) -- Cordialement, Coues Ludovic 06 148 743 42 -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
Thanks again DR. Next time, just send me back the following link: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ haha... I think we may soon see RTFM replacing DTFG(Do the F* Googling) or something better
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, This is really strange. Sound used to work on my laptop, now it is just -- gone. The hardware hasn't changed (obviously): David Just an observation I'm making here, when I sift through the e-mail archives of the Arch e-mailinglist about every 7th or 8th post is yours... That's quite a lot compared to how many members are subscribed. When reading back those post most issues are trivial and solved 2 or 3 posts later... It also occurs to me you run testing as well - which will definitely break stuff as that is the nature of testing. The issue you've had right now would also have been prevented if you would have paid closer attention to pacman's output. I'm not talking about your right to post to this list, I'm merely suggesting maybe you should take more time analyzing your problem instead of immediately posting your problem here. Best regards, Glenn
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
On Monday 30 November 2009 18:08:21 and regarding: I'd guess that you have a corrupt filesystem and due to an fsck (or something else) the modules are gone. Thank you for your help Flavio! fsck was fine, but see my other post about files in /usr/x86_84-unknown-linux- gnu and /usr/x86_84-unknown-linux-uclibc?? Try doing a ls -la /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko. And this: pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel 03:26 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes ls -la /lib/modules/2.6.31- ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko ls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda- intel.ko: No such file or directory 03:26 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel You have mail in /var/mail/david Yep, they're gone... WTF? How can I reinstall them? Hardly seems like a problem to warrant a wipe-and-reinstall, but at least I have all the current packages if that becomes necessary. I bet it was gnome that did it :p. I think I have another x86_64 Arch install for my laptop, maybe I could pull the missing files from there. But how to tell what I need to copy? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: 03:26 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes ls -la /lib/modules/2.6.31- ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko ls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda- intel.ko: No such file or directory 03:26 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel You have mail in /var/mail/david Maybe you also need to understand what you are doing and what the commands mean instead of brainless copy/paste. if /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko does not exist, you need to go all the way up to /lib/modules to see what exist, if anything at all. You can also just 'find /lib/modules' to display all files in there. and pacman -Q kernel26 tells you whether kernel26 is installed or not. It's probably a good idea to check that too, maybe you removed it ? You also need to check running kernel (uname -r) matches the one installed. If you want to check which files are inside kernel26 , you have to do : pacman -Ql kernel26 pacman -Ql kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel would be much more interesting and meaningful than pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel which was just a small typo or overlook of Flavio.
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: 03:26 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes ls -la /lib/modules/2.6.31- ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko ls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda- intel.ko: No such file or directory 03:26 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel You have mail in /var/mail/david Maybe you also need to understand what you are doing and what the commands mean instead of brainless copy/paste. if /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko does not exist, you need to go all the way up to /lib/modules to see what exist, if anything at all. You can also just 'find /lib/modules' to display all files in there. and pacman -Q kernel26 tells you whether kernel26 is installed or not. It's probably a good idea to check that too, maybe you removed it ? You also need to check running kernel (uname -r) matches the one installed. I was under the impression he was not using a custom kernel (since he didn't mentioned) that why I didn't bother to check. If you want to check which files are inside kernel26 , you have to do : pacman -Ql kernel26 pacman -Ql kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel would be much more interesting and meaningful than pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel which was just a small typo or overlook of Flavio. Indeed it was a typo. I image /lib/modules contains some stuff, otherwise his system would be totally f***'ed up and prolly wouldn't boot (or just would have no devices like network cards working at all, which doesn't appear to be the case). -- Flávio Coutinho da Costa
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 09:11:00 and regarding: Maybe you also need to understand what you are doing and what the commands mean instead of brainless copy/paste. Xavier, I appologize if I sounded flippant in my approach to copying files back to replace the sound modules, but rest assured that I understand fully what I'm doing when I do it and if not, I read until I do. (now granted, I have misunderstood a man page or two in my days ;-) This issue is just so off-the- wall that it has caught me somewhat off guard. It seems so narrowly tailored to the sound system that it is like the last kernel install just omitted the sound modules (and I think it did -- see below) if /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko does not exist, you need to go all the way up to /lib/modules to see what exist, if anything at all. You can also just 'find /lib/modules' to display all files in there. I picked through the modules previously and missed what I think is the whole problem with the sound -- and it does look like the last kernel install simply failed to install the modules. I think this split screen view from konqueror provides the evidence of what is going on (sound-preoss.tar.bz2 was never extracted and installed). In the konqueror screenshot, my laptop is shown in the left vertical pane and another Arch x86_64 box is shown in the right pane. Now I do not understand why sound-preoss.tar.bz2 wasn't installed on my laptop, but it contains all the sound files: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/Archlinux/bugs/sound-preoss-bz2.jpg [12:11 alchemy:/lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH] # tar -tjf sound-preoss.tar.bz2 | grep intel kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0m.ko kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec-intelhdmi.ko kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko Where can I look to try and find the reason sound-preoss-bz2.jpg was left uninstalled? Can you think of a reason this could have happened during an update? The only way I update packages for the system is throught pacman -Syu when doing an update and that shouldn't have said don't install the sound. Not knowing more about the way Arch handles the sound-preoss.tar.bz2 file or what post processing is needed, I'm unclear how to proceed. Is it safer to attempt a reinstall of the kernel, or is it safe to just extract the sound modules and then use modprobe? and pacman -Q kernel26 tells you whether kernel26 is installed or not. It's probably a good idea to check that too, maybe you removed it ? You also need to check running kernel (uname -r) matches the one installed. 12:08 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes uname -r 2.6.31-ARCH 12:28 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes pmq | grep kernel kernel-headers 2.6.31.5-1 kernel26 2.6.31.6-1 kernel26-firmware 2.6.31-1 Hmm, kernel headers is a minor version behind, but that's the latest with the current updates. That shouldn't have done it, should it? If you want to check which files are inside kernel26 , you have to do : pacman -Ql kernel26 pacman -Ql kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel would be much more interesting and meaningful than pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel which was just a small typo or overlook of Flavio. Agreed, 12:28 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes pacman -Ql kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel kernel26 /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko It's there, it's just sitting in sound-preoss.tar.bz2 right now. How to proceed?? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 12:39:23 and regarding: Google is your friend: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=sound-preoss.tar.bz2 Click the first link and it'll shed some light. DR Oh brother Thank you DR: checking dependencies... Remove (1): oss-4.2_2002-1.1 Total Removed Size: 5.82 MB Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] OSS not loaded. (1/1) removing oss [#] 100% - Open Sound System was now removed, and the ALSA kernel modules were restored. Please note that OSS stores some of its configuration files at /usr/lib/oss. If you don't plan to use OSS anymore, you can remove this directory. - now let us see if this box will make noise again... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 12:48:02 and regarding: Remove (1): oss-4.2_2002-1.1 Total Removed Size: 5.82 MB Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] OSS not loaded. (1/1) removing oss [#] 100% - Open Sound System was now removed, and the ALSA kernel modules were restored. Please note that OSS stores some of its configuration files at /usr/lib/oss. If you don't plan to use OSS anymore, you can remove this directory. - now let us see if this box will make noise again... Bingo -- The box makes noise once again! And... as a bonus, learning has occurred as to how oss handles alsa kernel modules. I don't know what wanted oss, but oss does a good job wiping out alsa. But, the oss removal script that restores alsa works as it is supposed to. Alsa restored, module loaded and sound is back to normal (although with a cool mixer in kde 4.3.4) Thanks again DR. Next time, just send me back the following link: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
You could try to check /var/log/pacman.log to see why oss was installed. (If it was still installed pacman -Qi would give you this sort of info I guess) On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:18 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 01 December 2009 12:48:02 and regarding: Remove (1): oss-4.2_2002-1.1 Total Removed Size: 5.82 MB Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] OSS not loaded. (1/1) removing oss [#] 100% - Open Sound System was now removed, and the ALSA kernel modules were restored. Please note that OSS stores some of its configuration files at /usr/lib/oss. If you don't plan to use OSS anymore, you can remove this directory. - now let us see if this box will make noise again... Bingo -- The box makes noise once again! And... as a bonus, learning has occurred as to how oss handles alsa kernel modules. I don't know what wanted oss, but oss does a good job wiping out alsa. But, the oss removal script that restores alsa works as it is supposed to. Alsa restored, module loaded and sound is back to normal (although with a cool mixer in kde 4.3.4) Thanks again DR. Next time, just send me back the following link: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- Flávio Coutinho da Costa
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 15:23:22 and regarding: You could try to check /var/log/pacman.log to see why oss was installed. (If it was still installed pacman -Qi would give you this sort of info I guess) Flavio, It was installed on 11/6 along with emovix, libmms, cdrdao, libmodplug, speex, libshout, mpg123, libasyncns, pulseaudio, wavpack and quanta. I'm not sure which recommended it as an option. The weird part is that sound continued working as normal until just this past week. From 11/6 through ~ 11/20, sound worked fine. Then another install or update evidently brought the issue to life. All is good now. Thank you for your help. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
Flavio, It was installed on 11/6 along with emovix, libmms, cdrdao, libmodplug, speex, libshout, mpg123, libasyncns, pulseaudio, wavpack and quanta. I'm not sure which recommended it as an option. The weird part is that sound continued working as normal until just this past week. From 11/6 through ~ 11/20, sound worked fine. Then another install or update evidently brought the issue to life. All is good now. Thank you for your help. Did you reboot during this time frame? Perhaps the alsa modules were loaded, and when you finally rebooted (on the 20th?), they weren't there to be re-loaded.
Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)
I'd guess that you have a corrupt filesystem and due to an fsck (or something else) the modules are gone. Try doing a ls -la /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko. And this: pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Guys, This is really strange. Sound used to work on my laptop, now it is just -- gone. The hardware hasn't changed (obviously): 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device ff08 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=slow TAbort- TAbort- MAbort- SERR- PERR- INTx- Latency: 64, Cache Line Size: 32 bytes Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10 Region 0: Memory at f870 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=55mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+) Status: D0 NoSoftRst- PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- but, there is NO /sys/module/snd -- Huh? [01:06 alchemy:~] # lsmod|grep '^snd' | column -t (returns nothing, there are no snd modules at all) Further, there is no sound dev: [01:06 alchemy:~] # l /dev/snd (nothing...) I've been throught the alsa wiki and it is still gone. I've tried adding the right module, but it isn't even on the system anymore: [17:21 alchemy:/etc/modprobe.d] # modprobe snd-hda-intel FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found. [17:45 alchemy:/media/disk/david] # modprobe snd_hda_intel FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found. Additinally, KDE prompts me to delete removed sound device HDA ATI SB, ALC268 Digital... Running SuSE 11.2 on the same box (different hard drive) shows the following modules are configured for sound (works fine): 08:39 alchemy:~/.kde4/share/config lsmod | grep snd snd_pcm_oss60032 0 snd_mixer_oss 22728 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_seq78528 0 snd_seq_device 10460 1 snd_seq snd_hda_codec_realtek 317868 1 snd_hda_intel 37088 2 snd_hda_codec 12 2 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 11216 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm 117808 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 32152 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd97608 14 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer snd_page_alloc 12600 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm Here is the hwinfo output from the suse install: 21: PCI 14.2: 0403 Audio device [Created at pci.310] UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1002_4383 Unique ID: 5Dex.CWqchpyBRV6 SysFS ID: /devices/pci:00/:00:14.2 SysFS BusID: :00:14.2 Hardware Class: sound Model: ATI SBx00 Azalia Vendor: pci 0x1002 ATI Technologies Inc Device: pci 0x4383 SBx00 Azalia SubVendor: pci 0x1179 Toshiba America Info Systems SubDevice: pci 0xff08 Driver: HDA Intel Driver Modules: snd_hda_intel Memory Range: 0xf870-0xf8703fff (rw,non-prefetchable) IRQ: 16 (461488 events) Module Alias: pci:v1002d4383sv1179sdFF08bc04sc03i00 Driver Info #0: Driver Status: snd_hda_intel is active Driver Activation Cmd: modprobe snd_hda_intel Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Now how do I get the sound to re-appear in Arch?? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- Flávio Coutinho da Costa
