Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
It would appear that on Dec 9, fredbezies did say:
If you have a nvidia chipset, you can use nouveau driver with gnome 3.
See Fedora for example ;)
Pardon me for intruding on your discussion fredbezies but I really wish
people wouldn't assume that nouveau works for everyone...
My current desktop is a winxp error HP Pavilion with embedded Nvidia
GeForce 6150 LE for which the nouveau driver as supplied by Arch, Xubuntu,
Sabayon, and OpenSuSE gave me unstable console screen and absolutely no X
until I switched to the proprietary Nvidia drivers... I remember it
because I usually prefer open source stuff. But I'm less likely to willingly
try nouveau again than I'd be to go back to kde4... And that's saying
something because I've been using mostly E17 (or sometimes E16) ever since the
demise of kde3's UI sent me packing. If for some reason I can't use E I fall
back on xfce. But from KDE{4} or gnome{any} I'll only use what I need to run
a few selected applications.
I'll admit I didn't try it with Fedora, But I gave up on them some time
ago...
Just an FYI...
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Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
-Original Message- From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of fredbezies Sent: Fri 12/9/2011 08:52 If you have a nvidia chipset, you can use nouveau driver with gnome 3. +++ Unfortunately a lot of people can't use nouveau for audio productions. For my 7200 GS this driver completely is a PITA. I have to use the FLOSS nv driver, dropped by Debian or the proprietary nvidia driver. 3 system calls for the kernel-rt don't allow you to use the proprietary nvidia driver, you need to fake the licence to use this driver. Unfortunately GNOME is a good desktop for audio production workflow. Other users might have other reasons to be pissed by GNOME 3 and of cause, for some users GNOME 3 seems to be a good successor. Cheers! Ralf
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: 0.02€, Ralf You won man. :D Salud, Bl@ster
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:52:51 +0100 fredbezies wrote: Gnome 2 is a dead end on technology side. Main programs will sooner or later move to gtk3. Will that effect xfce-gnome compatibility? Kc
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Will that effect xfce-gnome compatibility? I believe so. But XFCE developers will fix that in time for the next release; I believe they're waiting for this right now to be ready to patch softwares in the last chunk of development cycle for 4.10. By the way, XFCE 4.10 will hopefully include some neat features from GNOME 2.3x aiming to be a successor and a safe choice for GNOME 2.x refugees. Just previsions :) Salud, Bl@ster
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
Am Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:54:30 +0100 schrieb Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana dottorblas...@archlinux.us: By the way, XFCE 4.10 will hopefully include some neat features from GNOME 2.3x aiming to be a successor and a safe choice for GNOME 2.x refugees. Just previsions :) I hope this will not happen. I never liked Gnome for a lot of reasons, and KDE4 and the fact that Xfce is so different from Gnome was the reason for switching to Xfce. If Xfce will become a Gnome 2 fork then there will be no good DE anymore. If someone wants to keep Gnome2 he shall switch to Mate. Heiko
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On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:54:30 +0100 schrieb Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana dottorblas...@archlinux.us: I hope this will not happen. I never liked Gnome for a lot of reasons, and KDE4 and the fact that Xfce is so different from Gnome was the reason for switching to Xfce. If Xfce will become a Gnome 2 fork then there will be no good DE anymore. If someone wants to keep Gnome2 he shall switch to Mate. Right. But IMHO XFCE misses some neat features like a decent power manager. I would only like a more complete set of applications/options environment-related :) Bl@ster
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux, xfce is the way in?
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi lenzi.ser...@gmail.com wrote: I will be testing xfce this week on a fresh generated FreeBSD 9.0 I don't like BSD, especially for modern environments. Linux has a more modern architecture; I love the system, but i must admit that in 2011 it isn't efficient anymore. (And BSD has troubles with drivers :( ) Why FreeBSD?? because I can build it from ground zero (the OS, the shell, the xorg, and finally the xfce) You can do the same for Arch. What do you mean by 'building from ground zero'? My notebooks are just waiting for the experience, and my girl friend hope will not kill me (or dump me) for that LOL :D Salud, Bl@ster
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux, xfce is the way in?
On 09/12/11 14:16, Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana wrote: On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi lenzi.ser...@gmail.com wrote: I will be testing xfce this week on a fresh generated FreeBSD 9.0 I don't like BSD, especially for modern environments. Linux has a more modern architecture; I love the system, but i must admit that in 2011 it isn't efficient anymore. (And BSD has troubles with drivers :( ) Why FreeBSD?? because I can build it from ground zero (the OS, the shell, the xorg, and finally the xfce) You can do the same for Arch. What do you mean by 'building from ground zero'? My notebooks are just waiting for the experience, and my girl friend hope will not kill me (or dump me) for that LOL :D Salud, Bl@ster Can't we discuss this somewhere else, in my opinion this is completely offtopic. Use whatever DE,Distro,OS you like ;) If you don't like upstream fork it -- Jelle van der Waa signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux, xfce is the way in?
On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:20:39 +0100 Jelle van der Waa wrote: I don't like BSD, especially for modern environments. Linux has a more modern architecture; I love the system, but i must admit that in 2011 it isn't efficient anymore. (And BSD has troubles with drivers :( ) Can't we discuss this somewhere else, in my opinion this is completely offtopic. Use whatever DE,Distro,OS you like ;) Especially when it's all opinion plucked out of the air and has nothing to do with reality!
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
On 12/09/2011 07:45 AM, Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana wrote: But IMHO XFCE misses some neat features like a decent power manager. Just curious - what's your issue with the XFCE power manager? It's fairly minimal (which is not a bad thing, IMO) and always worked fine for me. DR
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
On 12/08/2011 05:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: KDE3 had no comeback Actually, it did. (http://www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php) It just hasn't really gained too much critical mass. (Yet?) DR
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
-Original Message- From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of David Rosenstrauch Sent: Fri 12/9/2011 21:47 On 12/08/2011 05:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: KDE3 had no comeback Actually, it did. (http://www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php) It just hasn't really gained too much critical mass. (Yet?) +++ I know this project. This doesn't sound promising: The Trinity Development Team is currently working on packages for other RPM based systems such as OpenSUSE and Mandriva. More information will be posted in the future as these packages near completion. Help Wanted! The Trinity team is currently looking for help in the following areas: Application bugfixes
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
Actually, it did. (http://www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php) It just hasn't really gained too much critical mass. (Yet?) +++ Wow... I leaved kde whe it abandon kde3... I did not like the kde4 system. FreeBSD still have kde3 running and well... Thank you for the informtion
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
The war was over when people realized that Xfce wasn't so bad. I actually prefer it to KDE. Even though it would be a hassle to change over. On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi lenzi.ser...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Archlinux users... After almost a year without using linux, I read a news, telling me that the gnome 2 is back, now there is Mate, in the aur repository... It is time to celebrate, my notebook will come to live again!!! -- Breathe Deeply and Dream
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi lenzi.ser...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Archlinux users... After almost a year without using linux, I read a news, telling me that the gnome 2 is back, now there is Mate, in the aur repository... Just remember it's not supported by Arch devs etc. It has it's own repo w/ precompiled binaries too, so it's not just in the AUR. Read the wiki + check out https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=121162
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/12/11 16:50, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: Hello Archlinux users... After almost a year without using linux, I read a news, telling me that the gnome 2 is back, now there is Mate, in the aur repository... It is time to celebrate, my notebook will come to live again!!! Good for you!, but you can have several DE, or WM in Linux world. So, eventually, you should evolve and not be tied to just one of them ;). Just my honest opinion. - -- Angel Velásquez angvp @ irc.freenode.net Arch Linux Developer / Trusted User Linux Counter: #359909 http://www.angvp.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO4SAlAAoJEEKh2xXsEzutu6AIAKZpNw/LWUoEgEw//8aqvZNv XNMWEoL4EQMeBlFad2mBYaQqCNoPtKQFwQMQ/F0v09Q4oIUqrWN7vhUJyKAXoO+5 ME5PDy2kjwBrDRQxmdIhhhXnnLPzWOOLSXIEmx1fVkizppmOTsiPxJv0WuWBTDvv VQYf2gTtxEvyURPKVSrElhpLMsGdEtP3bDtjDC7981ap+OUBf6lWyZ2akqlxasTU Wedmqhd6TLjICiPdwWL7HZ8lLf6zJ/2R6tZdlDLSg96MviYHXvtjdvfx7FZ9Op7y RPH9CA+t67cP7sb/k+xPyB/f3HQwKMX1ObDfFgZBQAgwvYZIF9FLD9fRoS5k/1o= =EfvL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
-Original Message- From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. Sent: Thu 12/8/2011 21:24 The war was over when people realized that Xfce wasn't so bad. I actually prefer it to KDE. Even though it would be a hassle to change over. +++ Xfce IMO is a good replacement. I guess that Xfce will become much faster better now and I also guess that the GNOME developers will reconsider their policy and that GNOME 2 will have a comeback. KDE3 had no comeback, but KDE4 doesn't suck as much as GNOME 3 does. 0.02, Ralf
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2011/12/8 Angel Velásquez an...@archlinux.org Good for you!, but you can have several DE, or WM in Linux world. So, eventually, you should evolve and not be tied to just one of them ;). I switched to KDE, and I'm giving GNOME a chance every time it hits a new release. Unfortunately, that isn't my DE anymore, I don't like Clutter very much and I migrated my workstations to another environment. Maybe you should do so. Salud, Bl@ster
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FWIW currently I'm a little bit lazy and instead of recovering lost data or to solve my Internet issue for Arch, I'm running a Parted Magic Live CD just to have some fun. It ships with LXDE, IMO another good replacement for GNOME. Enlightenment IMO is garbage, but perhaps Fluxbox is enhanced, didn't tested it for a long time.
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2011/12/8 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: -Original Message- From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. Sent: Thu 12/8/2011 21:24 The war was over when people realized that Xfce wasn't so bad. I actually prefer it to KDE. Even though it would be a hassle to change over. +++ Xfce IMO is a good replacement. I guess that Xfce will become much faster better now and I also guess that the GNOME developers will reconsider their policy and that GNOME 2 will have a comeback. KDE3 had no comeback, but KDE4 doesn't suck as much as GNOME 3 does. I think you're wrong, completely wrong. Gnome 2 and Mate are dead-end. If you think gnome 3 suck, so gnome 3 users suck too. Thank you. 0.02€, I hope, even if I'm french, in this case euro is dead. Ralf -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com
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-Original Message- From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of fredbezies Sent: Fri 12/9/2011 07:35 2011/12/8 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: -Original Message- From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. Sent: Thu 12/8/2011 21:24 The war was over when people realized that Xfce wasn't so bad. I actually prefer it to KDE. Even though it would be a hassle to change over. +++ Xfce IMO is a good replacement. I guess that Xfce will become much faster better now and I also guess that the GNOME developers will reconsider their policy and that GNOME 2 will have a comeback. KDE3 had no comeback, but KDE4 doesn't suck as much as GNOME 3 does. I think you're wrong, completely wrong. Gnome 2 and Mate are dead-end. If you think gnome 3 suck, so gnome 3 users suck too. Thank you. +++ Frederic :), this is a bad conclusion. There's nothing wrong with a user who is comfortable with GNOME 3. It's just that GNOME 3 comes with several side effects. I'll install GNOME 3 myself, but I don't like it for some usage that's important for me and for my DAW I'll use Xfce. When I'm e.g. forced to use a proprietary graphics driver to run a DE, this is what I'll call a dead end, especially if I need to offend a software licence to use a DE with a kernel-rt and a Nvidia graphics. I also guess that a good tool shouldn't be dropped. If a DE, such as GNOME 2 enables a good workflow, it's not helpful to break this workflow. Linux users are a minority group and a lot of us chose Linux, because it's a reliable tool freelance from marketing. At least with Debian I experienced GNOME 3 as problematic, comparable to current M$ and Apple fashions that I don't want on my machine. Some users need to use GNOME 3's fallback mode, you might run top, too see what happens if you do this. YMMV! Ralf
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2011/12/9 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: [...] I think you're wrong, completely wrong. Gnome 2 and Mate are dead-end. If you think gnome 3 suck, so gnome 3 users suck too. Thank you. +++ Frederic :), this is a bad conclusion. There's nothing wrong with a user who is comfortable with GNOME 3. It's I prefer that ;) just that GNOME 3 comes with several side effects. I'll install GNOME 3 myself, but I don't like it for some usage that's important for me and for my DAW I'll use Xfce. When I'm e.g. forced to use a proprietary graphics driver to run a DE, this is what I'll call a dead end, especially if I need to offend a software licence to use a DE with a If you have a nvidia chipset, you can use nouveau driver with gnome 3. See Fedora for example ;) kernel-rt and a Nvidia graphics. I also guess that a good tool shouldn't be dropped. If a DE, such as GNOME 2 enables a good workflow, it's not helpful to break this workflow. Gnome 2 is a dead end on technology side. Main programs will sooner or later move to gtk3. Linux users are a minority group and a lot of us chose Linux, because it's a reliable tool freelance from marketing. At least with Debian I experienced GNOME 3 as problematic, comparable to current M$ and Apple fashions that I don't want on my machine. Some users need to use GNOME 3's fallback mode, you might run top, too see what happens if you do this. I tried Gnome-Shell with debian wheezy and it works not too bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5UoR4nX6gM YMMV! Ralf :) -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com
