Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist
I oppose this proposal as it doesn't seem will resolve the problem, but just change it. Seems nothing can will avoid that someone to register a new company, get into the waiting list, receive an allocation and right after that be "purchased" by another company which is not entitled to be in the waiting list anymore bypassing the restriction. Although it may not be the easiest thing to do deal with all paperwork, bureaucracy and register company, depending on the rising price of IPv4 in the market someone may find that became worth the effort and this could (not right now, but at some point in the future) turn into a way to bypass the waiting list restriction as the mathematics will cover all the costs involved in the whole transaction. I believe this proposal may bring an issue in such scenario and perhaps there should still be some minimal time restriction that makes it more difficult for fraudsters to act with such intention. Regards Fernando On 19/05/2020 12:07, Christian Tacit (Tacit Law) wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1 can be found at https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_1/ Since this Draft Policy was placed on the AC docket very few comments have been posted on PPML. As we prepare for the virtual ARIN meeting in June, it would be helpful for the shepherds to know if the community generally views the problem statement worthy of being addressed (bearing in mind that it was generated as a result of a concern expressed in an ARIN staff Policy Experience Report) and if so, whether the proposed policy change is sufficiently responsive to the problem statement. I would therefore encourage community members to add any comments that they may have before the meeting. Thank you. Chris Tacit ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist
Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1 can be found at https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_1/ Since this Draft Policy was placed on the AC docket very few comments have been posted on PPML. As we prepare for the virtual ARIN meeting in June, it would be helpful for the shepherds to know if the community generally views the problem statement worthy of being addressed (bearing in mind that it was generated as a result of a concern expressed in an ARIN staff Policy Experience Report) and if so, whether the proposed policy change is sufficiently responsive to the problem statement. I would therefore encourage community members to add any comments that they may have before the meeting. Thank you. Chris Tacit ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist
I would rather eliminate the waiting list, and place this space into the 4.10 pool, as at least that space requires a commitment to IPv6. Albert Erdmann Network Administrator Paradise On Line Inc. +1 Any pool of "free" addresses in an era of priced addresses will be a continuing magnet for abuse and corruption. 4.10 is still a free pool, but with restrictions that make fraud less likely. At this point we're asking staff to tread a fine line in distinguishing normal business activity from fraud. Regards, Mike ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist
I oppose this. Even with IPv4 addresses being worth merely $10 each, the value of a /22 of address space from the waiting list is $10,240. Clearly that is enough of a value to incorporate. In reality, the current market rate is much higher than that. I think a total NO SELL agreement is the only thing that will prevent abuse of the waiting list, but if the party is a corporation, nothing would prevent corporate sale or transfer to avoid these restrictions. I would rather eliminate the waiting list, and place this space into the 4.10 pool, as at least that space requires a commitment to IPv6. I do not know when we will reach the peak of the IPv4 marketplace, but it is clear that if the internet wishes to grow beyond 4.3B addresses, IPv6 is the only currently available protocol that can grow beyond the 4.3B address limit of IPv4. Albert Erdmann Network Administrator Paradise On Line Inc. On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Fernando Frediani wrote: Just to make it clear for record I oppose this proposal as written for the reasons stated below and believe it requires necessary adjustments. Regards Fernando On 26/02/2020 02:54, Fernando Frediani wrote: May I ask how this situation will avoid that someone to register a new company, get into the waiting list, receive a /22 and right after that be "purchased" by another company which is not entitled to be in the waiting list anymore bypassing the restriction ? Although it may not be the easiest thing to do deal with all paperwork, bureaucracy and register company, depending on the rising price of IPv4 in the market someone may find that became worth the effort and this could (not right now, but at some point in the future) turn into a way to bypass the waiting list restriction as the mathematics will cover all the costs involved in the whole transaction. At first seeing I identify this proposal may bring an issue in such scenario and perhaps there should still be some minimal time restriction, not necessarily 60 months, but something that makes it more difficult for fraudsters to act with such intention. Regards Fernando On 25/02/2020 18:49, ARIN wrote: On 20 February 2020, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-284: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist" as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_1/ You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration * Technically Sound * Supported by the Community The PDP can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/ Regards, Sean Hopkins Policy Analyst American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist Problem Statement: A recent Policy Experience Report reported ambiguity on the part of customers as to whether or not the 60-month restriction on transferring resources received via NRPM Section 4.1.8 applies to M transfers under NRPM Section 8.2. This proposal clarifies this restriction to exempt 8.2 transfers from this restriction. Policy Statement: Update NRPM Section 4.1.8 as follows: Original Text: Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for transfer for a period of 60 months. New Text: Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for transfer, with the exception of Section 8.2 transfers, for a period of 60 months.” Comments: Timetable for implementation: immediate ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist
Just to make it clear for record I oppose this proposal as written for the reasons stated below and believe it requires necessary adjustments. Regards Fernando On 26/02/2020 02:54, Fernando Frediani wrote: May I ask how this situation will avoid that someone to register a new company, get into the waiting list, receive a /22 and right after that be "purchased" by another company which is not entitled to be in the waiting list anymore bypassing the restriction ? Although it may not be the easiest thing to do deal with all paperwork, bureaucracy and register company, depending on the rising price of IPv4 in the market someone may find that became worth the effort and this could (not right now, but at some point in the future) turn into a way to bypass the waiting list restriction as the mathematics will cover all the costs involved in the whole transaction. At first seeing I identify this proposal may bring an issue in such scenario and perhaps there should still be some minimal time restriction, not necessarily 60 months, but something that makes it more difficult for fraudsters to act with such intention. Regards Fernando On 25/02/2020 18:49, ARIN wrote: On 20 February 2020, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-284: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist" as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_1/ You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration * Technically Sound * Supported by the Community The PDP can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/ Regards, Sean Hopkins Policy Analyst American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist Problem Statement: A recent Policy Experience Report reported ambiguity on the part of customers as to whether or not the 60-month restriction on transferring resources received via NRPM Section 4.1.8 applies to M transfers under NRPM Section 8.2. This proposal clarifies this restriction to exempt 8.2 transfers from this restriction. Policy Statement: Update NRPM Section 4.1.8 as follows: Original Text: Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for transfer for a period of 60 months. New Text: Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for transfer, with the exception of Section 8.2 transfers, for a period of 60 months.” Comments: Timetable for implementation: immediate ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist
May I ask how this situation will avoid that someone to register a new company, get into the waiting list, receive a /22 and right after that be "purchased" by another company which is not entitled to be in the waiting list anymore bypassing the restriction ? Although it may not be the easiest thing to do deal with all paperwork, bureaucracy and register company, depending on the rising price of IPv4 in the market someone may find that became worth the effort and this could (not right now, but at some point in the future) turn into a way to bypass the waiting list restriction as the mathematics will cover all the costs involved in the whole transaction. At first seeing I identify this proposal may bring an issue in such scenario and perhaps there should still be some minimal time restriction, not necessarily 60 months, but something that makes it more difficult for fraudsters to act with such intention. Regards Fernando On 25/02/2020 18:49, ARIN wrote: On 20 February 2020, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-284: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist" as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_1/ You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration * Technically Sound * Supported by the Community The PDP can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/ Regards, Sean Hopkins Policy Analyst American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist Problem Statement: A recent Policy Experience Report reported ambiguity on the part of customers as to whether or not the 60-month restriction on transferring resources received via NRPM Section 4.1.8 applies to M transfers under NRPM Section 8.2. This proposal clarifies this restriction to exempt 8.2 transfers from this restriction. Policy Statement: Update NRPM Section 4.1.8 as follows: Original Text: Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for transfer for a period of 60 months. New Text: Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for transfer, with the exception of Section 8.2 transfers, for a period of 60 months.” Comments: Timetable for implementation: immediate ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist
On 20 February 2020, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-284: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist" as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_1/ You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration * Technically Sound * Supported by the Community The PDP can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/ Regards, Sean Hopkins Policy Analyst American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist Problem Statement: A recent Policy Experience Report reported ambiguity on the part of customers as to whether or not the 60-month restriction on transferring resources received via NRPM Section 4.1.8 applies to M transfers under NRPM Section 8.2. This proposal clarifies this restriction to exempt 8.2 transfers from this restriction. Policy Statement: Update NRPM Section 4.1.8 as follows: Original Text: Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for transfer for a period of 60 months. New Text: Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for transfer, with the exception of Section 8.2 transfers, for a period of 60 months.” Comments: Timetable for implementation: immediate ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
