Re: [fedora-arm] Fedora 15 ARM hardfp Virtual FAD (Fedora Activity Day) - FRIDAY
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 11:45:33PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: It's becoming clear that several points do need raising with FESCo: * Fedora should (IMO) institute mandatory mass rebuilds. Either every cycle, or every other cycle. I've briefly discussed with Dennis. Bootstrapping (and similar activities) are far easier with a clean set of deps, which is the case for F15. It should always be the case that we know everything builds and self-hosts through a mass rebuild per cycle. I agree with Jon 100%. As folks know, I have been an ardent supporter of self-hosting since I started working with Linux (and RHL/Fedora) 12 years ago. I'm not alone in this position, and have had the help of many maintainers over the years to fix FTBFS bugs as I've uncovered and reported them - Thank You! However, I haven't had as much time to put into that effort recently as I believe it deserves. FESCo asked me to draft a procedure [1], a task from [2] for ensuring identified FTBFS packages were blocked, which I've done. But the procedure lacks a key component - identifying, through Fedora Project-maintained efforts (and not my own private efforts), the list of pacakges that FTBFS. That could be a rel-eng mass rebuild run. That could be a stand-alone rebuild effort. I'm not going to dictate. I have had some interest from individuals asking how they could help, but they seemed to be daunted by the need for a good deal of builder resources to do a mass rebuild in a reasonable amount of time. And unfortunately, I'm not in a position to put the builders I scrounged up on the public internet for use. If self-hosting and reliable package building is important to you, please chime in with ideas for how we can make this a standard part of the Fedora release process. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Deprecate_FTBFS_packages [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Engineering_Release_Tickets Thanks, Matt -- Matt Domsch Technology Strategist Dell | Office of the CTO ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
Re: [fedora-arm] Fedora 15 ARM hardfp Virtual FAD (Fedora Activity Day) - FRIDAY
On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 00:52 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: We are hosting another one of our regular Fedora 15 hardfp Virtual Fedora Activity Day today Friday July 8th, at 14:00UTC (10:00 Eastern Daylight Time). The purpose of this session is to co-ordinate the bootstrap of F15 hardfp (hardware floating point). Going forward, the proposal is that these remain on Fridays, and at the same time. As a followup, we now have a working yum installation. Next week, we will be working on support for mock. Once we have these, we can build up missing dependencies, then rebuild everything we have with rpmbuild. At that point, we can rebuild everything within mock and Koji-fyificate. It's becoming clear that several points do need raising with FESCo: * Fedora should (IMO) institute mandatory mass rebuilds. Either every cycle, or every other cycle. I've briefly discussed with Dennis. Bootstrapping (and similar activities) are far easier with a clean set of deps, which is the case for F15. It should always be the case that we know everything builds and self-hosts through a mass rebuild per cycle. * Fedora would benefit from an explicit position on the dependency explosion we're seeing in basic packages. Without going off too far into my personal opinions on a need to respect UNIX heritage, etc. I will say that the explosion of requirements is going to be a problem for any future efforts and will get worse without guidance. Meanwhile, enjoy working yum. Next week, working mock, hopefully. Thanks, Jon. ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
Re: [fedora-arm] Fedora 15 ARM hardfp Virtual FAD (Fedora Activity Day) - FRIDAY
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 08:02 -0400, Chris Tyler wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 02:17 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: Hi Folks, Join us on Friday to celebrate July with another in our series of VFADs! Just a heads up that you won't have many Canadians joining you -- July 1 is Canada Day, a *big* party date on our calendar. Absolutely! Happy Canada Day! Yea, I did know, and I'm aware the July 4th holiday is happening in the US on Monday, so we'll see a lot of people being away, but for consistency, I'll still help out with anyone who turns up :) I want to get into a regular rhythm with this being a Friday thing. Jon. ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
