[Arm-netbook] making money with EOMA68 cards

[Nick Hardiman]

I’ve been checking up on EOMA68 articles the last few days. Somewhere along the 
way - perhaps in a podcast - I believe Luke said you can make money from 
hardware.

How would that work? Perhaps something along these lines?

If a home tinkerer wants to experiment, or an artist wants to explore this new 
medium, or a business student want a first mover’s advantage, they do something 
like this.

* Come up with the idea for a gizmo. I see someone’s already compiled a list of 
ideas at http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/.
* Order a card via https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop
* Buy an idiots guide to soldering and a bag of parts.
* Spend a few months burning holes in tables and building prototypes.
* Take delivery of the new card, plug it in and make sure everything works.
* Sell the new gizmo online.

The EOMA68 standard creates a demand for new products. Unplugging the computer 
card from your house, plugging it into your car, unplugging it at work and 
plugging it into something else, means there must be the things to plug it into.

The hard work has already been done. The hardware exists courtesy of the mobile 
phone industry, the software exists courtesy of decades of free software, and 
the compute package will exist courtesy of Luke and co.









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Re: [Arm-netbook] What I have done so far

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:43 AM, fuumind  wrote:
> mån 2016-07-25 klockan 23:02 +0100 skrev Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
>>  most people have no clue what the difference is, they implicitly
>> trusted the manufacturers and have been betrayed by the
>> manufacturer's
>> pathological profit-maximising behaviour.
>
> I'd say that what consumers have fundamentally failed to understand is
> the nature of the corporation as defined by law. It is *supposed* to be
> maximising profit. To trust such an entity is either to be blind or to
> be a fool.

 google: "don't be evil! [except where it interferes with
profit-maximisation]"

 professor yunus in his book "creating a world without poverty" sadly
has to explain to us that "Corporate Social Responsibility" clauses
are, when the chips are down, "Corporate Financial
*IR*responsibility"...

 *every* corporation's director(s) that have something other than
profit-maximisation as their mantra is either lying through their
teeth or they are misguided and dangerously misinformed as to what
their legal obligations under Company Law really are.

 it's not a good situation.  the solution if you want to do something
"good" as well as remain truly ethical is Benefit Corporations in the
USA or Community Interest Companies in the UK.  Australia they have
Foundations, it costs $AUD 2500 to set one up.

l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] What I have done so far

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:08 AM, fuumind  wrote:

> When it comes to mobile phones I'm rooting more for the freecalypso
> project. They are trying to liberate the baseband, a very unsexy work
> that no one else is doing.

 errr... haralde welte osmoconbb, openbts?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Osmocom_on_TI_Calypso
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2012-July/067276.html

 they haven't even mentioned that work on the freecalypso front page!!!

l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] freedombox on eoma68?

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Wolfgang Romey (hier)
 wrote:
> Hello Luke,
>
> would it be possible, to run freedombox
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Manual)
>
> on the EOMA68-Card?

 it is... but they do not "approve" of USB-ETH network interfaces.

> They are getting nearer to the version 1.0.
> As it is installable with debian, maybe it is possible.

 yes, i am 100% sure it will be.

> Maybe it could give the project a litle boost, if you could offer a card with
> freedombox preinstalled.

 good idea i'll put it on the list.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Published the news of the pass-through card

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

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2016-07-26 9:31 GMT+01:00 Wolfgang Romey (hier) :
> Hallo Luke,
>
> you see it in the Email, which I sent to fsfe-de, and can find under
>
> https://pod.geraspora.de/posts/5066579
>
> https://loadaverage.org/notice/8328773

 magic, thanks wolfgang.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] "Good enough" computing and the upgrade treadmill

[Matt Campbell]

On 7/25/2016 5:59 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:

 $3 / month is the going rate for co-located low-power hosting
services with a static IPv4 address.  2gbyte of RAM would be seriously
welcome, the hosting company would be delighted to be able to slap
more EOMA68-A20 computer cards into a convenient rack, i'm sure
they'll take them off your hands.


Interesting. I pay more than that to rent a virtual private server with 
less than 2 GB of RAM. Do you have any links to any such hosting 
providers in the US?


Matt

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Ethernet with pass-through card

[Matt Campbell]

On 7/26/2016 7:24 AM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote:

Does the EOMA spec have ethernet? I forget. Neither housing lists USB ethernet 
as a thing it has, which seems odd if not (especially for the desktop 
housing)‎. Having an ethernet port in the bargain would make the pass-through 
card pretty exciting.


No, EOMA68 doesn't have Ethernet. But it does have USB, all the way up 
to USB 3.1.


Matt

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[Arm-netbook] Ethernet with pass-through card

[Stephen Paul Weber]

Does the EOMA spec have ethernet? I forget. Neither housing lists USB ethernet 
as a thing it has, which seems odd if not (especially for the desktop 
housing)‎. Having an ethernet port in the bargain would make the pass-through 
card pretty exciting.
‎
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[Arm-netbook] freedombox on eoma68?

[Wolfgang Romey (hier)]

Hello Luke,

would it be possible, to run freedombox 

https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Manual) 

on the EOMA68-Card? They are getting nearer to the version 1.0.
As it is installable with debian, maybe it is possible.

Maybe it could give the project a litle boost, if you could offer a card with 
freedombox preinstalled.

Wolfgang
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Re: [Arm-netbook] What I have done so far

[fuumind]

mån 2016-07-25 klockan 23:02 +0100 skrev Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
>  most people have no clue what the difference is, they implicitly
> trusted the manufacturers and have been betrayed by the
> manufacturer's
> pathological profit-maximising behaviour.

I'd say that what consumers have fundamentally failed to understand is
the nature of the corporation as defined by law. It is *supposed* to be
maximising profit. To trust such an entity is either to be blind or to
be a fool.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] What I have done so far

[fuumind]

Hi!

I agree with your conclusion 100%. I just felt a need to make the end
goal clearly visible and that end goal is to change how the ordinary
person thinks about consumer electronics. It is not the choices of a
few thousand enthusiasts that will make a difference but the choices of
a few billion average consumers. From that perspective you and I do
more for the environment by pledging to this campaign than we do by not
pledging because we allready have the hardware that we need. The latter
is just a drop in the ocean. Then there is of course the libre,
integrity and money-saving prespectives as well!

You have allready donated so in that way you have done more than I
have. I needed to make absolutely clear what I am rooting for so that I
can present it to the people around me in the best possible way and as
Luke has allready stated, the ordinary consumer will hearken to two
things: cost and convenience. Those are what we need to put major focus
on in the long run. That is the nature of the beast.

In regards to this campaign the target group is the tech-minded and
since the offering is so diverse you'll have to tailor the arguments to
fit the person I guess. If the moral perspective is a feasible argument
in any discussion then that would be the best as I see it.

As things stand though and as you say, pledges keep coming in even
without the publicity that the FSF could bring, and that is a great
thing! :)

ps 

When it comes to mobile phones I'm rooting more for the freecalypso
project. They are trying to liberate the baseband, a very unsexy work
that no one else is doing. "The needs of the many outwheighs the wants
of the few."

ds


mån 2016-07-25 klockan 12:30 +0100 skrev Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo:
> Hi,
> 
> 2016-07-25 10:10 fuumind:
> > 
> > Just for the record and from my very egotistical point of view: 
> > 
> > A product that I would buy is a smallish fully libre smartphone of
> > good
> > quality with good performance, a load of storage and battery
> > lasting a month at least. It would also need to have the option of
> > plugging it into a usb hub to get me a workstation with
> > kb+mouse+large
> > display+better audio. And it would have to be dirt cheap ;)
> Your analysis from the other e-mail is very interesting.
> 
> I was only trying to analyse why people in or close to FOSS and libre
> hardware communities didn't embrace this campaign more
> enthusiastically.
>   
> As the e-mail says towards the end:
> 
>    The question is "How do we gather enough passionate recruits to
> get
>    this revolution going?" but that question is hard to fit into the
>    realities of a marketing campaign for a couple of products.
> 
> There's the possibility to just donate money to the project, and I
> did a
> couple of years ago (to this project and also to the related and
> failed
> Improv).
> 
> But in the end, for the campaign to be successful, it also needs to
> provide products that people want to pledge for (if nothing else, to
> meet the minimum quantity to fabricate the chips that Luke keeps
> mentioning), so everybody needs some kind of hook to engage with the
> project.  It also serves to gauge interest in future products, once
> the
> campaign ends.
> 
> 
> In your case, you would be thrilled to pledge for the hardware that
> you
> mention.  You say that it would have to be dirty cheap, but many
> people
> are investing significant amounts of money to get the Neo900 rolling,
> which probably is the closest product in the works resembling what
> you
> describe.  This is more or less the "specialist" hardware that I
> mentioned in my previous message.
> 
> 
> In my case, I would be interested in a possible range of products,
> but
> none of the current meet the expectations in one way or another:
> 
> - The only one laptop that I owned with <1000p of vertical resolution
> I
>   hated with passion (partly because of the resolution and partly
>   because of the glossy screen).  I happily saw it go when some
>   components stopped working just after the warranty expired... I was
>   relieved --rather than angry-- for missing the warranty for a few
>   weeks.
> 
>   So I think that buying a laptop from the campaign with that screen
>   resolution would be a mistake in my case.  Personally I also need
>   something much more powerful than the A20 for tasks that I do daily
> on
>   the computer (both in terms of CPU and memory).
> 
> - Close family are still well served by the options already available
>   around the home, e.g. Thinkpads a decade old (still from IBM).
> 
> - I will need one or two mini-servers at home in 1~2 months.  I have
>   several small devices around the house with different
> architectures,
>   some not even purchased but given to me for some reason or another,
>   and that I have not tried yet after 1 year sitting in a bookcase;
> as
>   well as older x86 systems that still fit the bill and work fine.
> 
>   So I could give some use to EOMA cards if I pledge for them