Re: [Arm-netbook] Fwd: EOMA68 card news

[Nick Hardiman]

OK, looked back through the updates, and I think this is the most recent news 
on the EOMA68 A20. 

https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/taiwan-micro-desktop-casework-laptop-pcb1-and-a20

the EOMA68-A20 needs to go through another pre-production revision - estimated 
time to make and then test: 4-6 weeks. The EOMA68-A20 casework still needs to 
be done (a front plate arranged). 

I’m guessing there is a long way to go before anything ships. 


> On 12 Jun 2017, at 17:37, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote:
> 
> the list and the crowdsupply page is where you'll hear things. if
> you've not heard then it hasn't happened.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Nick Hardiman
> <n...@internetmachines.co.uk> wrote:
>> Did the early review cards get shipped to testers?
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Nick Hardiman <n...@internetmachines.co.uk>
>>> Subject: EOMA68 card news
>>> Date: 10 June 2017 at 20:13:16 BST
>>> To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk>
>>> 
>>> Where should I look for news about EOMA68 card production?
>>> 
>>> http://rhombus-tech.net/ home is out of date.
>>> 
>>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates has May’s update 
>>> about 3D printing, I guess for the micro-desktop and laptop.
>>> 
>>> http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/ has plenty of threads, 
>>> mainly kicking ideas around.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Nick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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[Arm-netbook] Fwd: EOMA68 card news

[Nick Hardiman]

Did the early review cards get shipped to testers?

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Nick Hardiman <n...@internetmachines.co.uk>
> Subject: EOMA68 card news
> Date: 10 June 2017 at 20:13:16 BST
> To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk>
> 
> Where should I look for news about EOMA68 card production?
> 
> http://rhombus-tech.net/ home is out of date. 
> 
> https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates has May’s update 
> about 3D printing, I guess for the micro-desktop and laptop. 
> 
> http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/ has plenty of threads, 
> mainly kicking ideas around. 
> 
> Thanks, Nick
> 
> 
> 


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[Arm-netbook] EOMA68 card news

[Nick Hardiman]

Where should I look for news about EOMA68 card production?

http://rhombus-tech.net/ home is out of date. 

https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates has May’s update about 
3D printing, I guess for the micro-desktop and laptop. 

http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/ has plenty of threads, mainly 
kicking ideas around. 

Thanks, Nick




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Re: [Arm-netbook] When does the A20 board ship?

[Nick Hardiman]

OK, thanks. In that case, what is the path to a working pre-production 
prototype?


> On 8 Mar 2017, at 15:34, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote:
> 
> ---
> crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Nick Hardiman
> <n...@internetmachines.co.uk> wrote:
>> When does the A20 board ship?
> 
> when there's a pre-production prototype confirmed 100% functional.
> 
> l.
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Re: [Arm-netbook] USB3.1 pinout

[Nick Hardiman]

A standard that provides for two USB3.1 ports is a good thing. Isn’t it?

In fact, USB3.1 availability might be unique in this small board world. I 
watched a long presentation where Jon Hall said he couldn’t find one (OpenHours 
#32 - 96Boards discussion with Jon "maddog” Hall).

No idea what standard revision and chain of components is required to make this 
work, so I’ve got no idea how to help here. Sorry.

Thanks, Nick

> On 6 Feb 2017, at 06:04, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Internet  wrote:
> I'm glad to hear the standrd itself is correct.
> 
> it's not!!! it just doesn't affect the current cards.
>  
> The only thing I would still like to know is the mapping of the two USB ports.
> 
> me too
>  
> So, which superspeed wires correspond to which usb 2.0 wires?
> 
> i'll have to revise the standard.


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Re: [Arm-netbook] Intel at CES

[Nick Hardiman]

> On 6 Jan 2017, at 08:52, Alain Williams  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 01:29:19AM +0100, raphael.melo...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> On January 5, 2017 6:38:10 PM GMT+01:00, Alain Williams  
>> wrote:
>>> I wonder where they got the idea from:
>>> 
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38515472
>>> 
>>> http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/compute-card/intel-compute-card.html
>> 
>> It's astonishing... there are so many similarities it can't be a coincidence.
>> They just saw a new market and feeled they should be in.

I suspect this is a marketing exercise, to gauge interest in the idea. If this 
is an idea that made it onto some Intel marketer’s ‘good idea, let’s look at it 
more’ list, then EOMA68 computer cards are one step closer to being sold in 
supermarkets. I’m guessing, I know nobody at Intel. I do assume they are smart 
guys who have a pretty good hit rate at spotting these good ideas. 



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[Arm-netbook] one hour left

[Nick Hardiman]

One hour left, and the pledges keep on coming in. Congratulations to the crew 
who made all this possible.

I know there are many good moral reasons for backing this project. ,The mail 
archive is full of excellent descriptions of the problems EOMA68 solves - 
security, e-waste, non-disclosure agreements, power consumption, and so on.

I’ll say this successful campaign brings us a step closer towards a real free 
market for IT. The barrier to entry is so low all the electronic engineers out 
there can get busy making new products around these general purpose computers.

Looking forward to a better - and cheaper - world of modular IT,
Nick

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Libreboot and EOMA68

[Nick Hardiman]

I would guess UEFI support is more about the data center market than about 
technical capability.

ARM want to get more chips into Data Centers and brought out specifications 
called SBSA (Server Base System Architecture) and SBBR (Server Base Boot 
Requirements), for suppliers to stick to. SBBR names a bunch of required 
things, including UEFI.

SBSA is meant to make large scale management of ARM-based hardware more uniform 
and less scary for DC purchasers. Standards compliance is reassuring for anyone 
who doesn’t fully understand what they are getting themselves into, and in the 
computer world nobody fully understands what they are getting themselves into. 
Take EOMA68, for example. That’s a great standard to comply to.

But who knows, I could be way off the mark here.

ARM, SBSA, UEFI, and ACPI
By Jonathan Corbet
February 5, 2014
https://lwn.net/Articles/584123/


> On 22 Aug 2016, at 23:34, Russell Hyer  wrote:
> 
> I mean: minifree.org - that's where I have my thinkpad / libreboot
> from - and the guy I emailed last week
> 
> On 22/08/2016, Russell Hyer  wrote:
>> Neat, I emailed the guy behind libreboot thinkpads in the UK (and this
>> message tallies with that,though I didn't comment as to ARM libreboot
>> changes) that he should support the campaign.
>> 
>> Russell
>> for my sins, doing dev work on an apple mac :)
>> 
>> On 22/08/2016, Xavi Drudis Ferran  wrote:
>>> El Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:55:18PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
>>> deia:
 ---
 crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Xavi Drudis Ferran 
 wrote:
 
> I asked the same in coreboot list years ago when they started to port
> coreboot to ARM. I hardly remember but the point might have been to
> enable UEFI (both for functionality and possibly peripheral
> initialisation),
 
 UEFI is extremely rare in the ARM world - the only SoC i know of that
 implements it is the iMX6.
 
>>> 
>>> Maybe the ARM chromebooks use UEFI, I don't remember.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, some ARM boards start to take PCI peripherals, and then you have
>>> to
>>> enumerate, allocate resources, initialise, run option ROMs (hopefully
>>> optional
>>> or free, but often not)... Coreboot already had this kind of stuff done.
>>> I don't know if with u-boot you could attach a sata controller to the PCI
>>> port of an ARM board and boot from a sata disk attached to that
>>> controller.
>>> 
>>> Things like this, I think. But I don't really remember well.
>>> 
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Re: [Arm-netbook] Article on zdnet.com

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> On 9 Aug 2016, at 17:31, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote:
> 
> ---
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> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Nick Hardiman
> <n...@internetmachines.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> ZDnet is a high-profile site. Probably more people looking at that than at 
>> all the other sites added together.
> 
> surprisingly, it's had very little effect - i've been keeping an eye
> on things.  slashdot was very effective, so was boingboing.  reddit's
> been fun.  ycombinator - hardly a peep.  heise.de - *really*
> effective.

Wow, who knew? OK, you knew! And I’m learning.



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Re: [Arm-netbook] Article on zdnet.com

[Nick Hardiman]

> On 9 Aug 2016, at 14:17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
> crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
> 
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:25 AM, m016fec3  wrote:
>> Have you seen this?
>> 
>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-an-open-source-pc-that-can-be-a-laptop-desktop-or-even-tablet/
> 
> yehh i did - it's one where there's quite a lot of mistakes, so i'm
> leaving it off the crowd-funding campaign front page but it will be
> going on the list.

ZDnet is a high-profile site. Probably more people looking at that than at all 
the other sites added together.

Still, if you can’t use that, maybe you can work something like this in, to 
back up the code transparency argument.

18% of American households believe data collection by government is a major 
concern.

That’s a what a graph says in this National Telecommunications & Information 
Administration article:

Lack of Trust in Internet Privacy and Security May Deter Economic and Other 
Online Activities
May 13, 2016 by Rafi Goldberg, Policy Analyst, Office of Policy Analysis and 
Development, NTIA
https://www.ntia.doc.gov/blog/2016/lack-trust-internet-privacy-and-security-may-deter-economic-and-other-online-activities





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Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 t-shirts and bumper stickers

[Nick Hardiman]

Where do I see a big picture of the shirt?

> On 9 Aug 2016, at 01:26, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
> 
> i added the t-shirts and the R/E-volution bumper sticker... :)
> 
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[Arm-netbook] storage options for EOMA68

[Nick Hardiman]

I have to break these things down so I can get them into my neanderthal head, 
so my apologies if this is obvious to everyone already. Is this a reasonable 
summary of the storage options for EOMA68?

I looked at some old photos and the EOMA-68 page, and I reckon these are the 
data storage options. By data storage I mean memory, disk space, or - to talk 
oldskool - any input/output device.


EOMA68 data storage options
---
1. micro-SD card
2. USB flash drive (AKA USB stick, pen drive, external NAND)
3. internal NAND
4. mechanical hard disk
5. Solid State Disk


file transfer speeds
--
1 is the slowest, 5 is the fastest.

If you want to run something that thrashes the storage, like an e-mail server, 
stick the files on a disk.


data storage capacity
--
1 is the smallest, and 5 the biggest.

Using a micro-SD card is roughly the same as using as a small cloud server - 
enough space to store the OS, a bunch of applications, and have some left over.

If you want to run something that chomps through storage, like a database 
server, stick the files on a disk.


sockets for attaching another mass storage device
--
USB2
There's a micro-USB socket on one side of the board, and another USB interface 
via the PCMCIA socket (or whatever you call the big pin connector housing).
If you want to connect your Edison Cylinder Phonograph to your EOMA68 card, USB 
it up first.

SD/MMC
beside the USB socket

SATA III
via the PCMCIA socket



I just realized I’ve been dropping the hyphen from EOMA-68. Oops.



links
--
old photos
http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/news/
EOMA-68 page
http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68



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Re: [Arm-netbook] Article in SoylentNews

[Nick Hardiman]

> On 2 Aug 2016, at 20:48, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
> 
> https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/08/01/083258
> 
> faaackin 'ell manuel the reactions on there are _really_ aggressive.

Expect adversity.
How to Fly a Horse, chapter 3, author: Kevin Ashton ('Internet of Things' guy)


> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo
>  wrote:
>> 
>> After a failed attempt, I tried again and it's just been published now:
>> 
>> https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/08/01/083258
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[Arm-netbook] making money with EOMA68 cards

[Nick Hardiman]

I’ve been checking up on EOMA68 articles the last few days. Somewhere along the 
way - perhaps in a podcast - I believe Luke said you can make money from 
hardware.

How would that work? Perhaps something along these lines?

If a home tinkerer wants to experiment, or an artist wants to explore this new 
medium, or a business student want a first mover’s advantage, they do something 
like this.

* Come up with the idea for a gizmo. I see someone’s already compiled a list of 
ideas at http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/.
* Order a card via https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop
* Buy an idiots guide to soldering and a bag of parts.
* Spend a few months burning holes in tables and building prototypes.
* Take delivery of the new card, plug it in and make sure everything works.
* Sell the new gizmo online.

The EOMA68 standard creates a demand for new products. Unplugging the computer 
card from your house, plugging it into your car, unplugging it at work and 
plugging it into something else, means there must be the things to plug it into.

The hard work has already been done. The hardware exists courtesy of the mobile 
phone industry, the software exists courtesy of decades of free software, and 
the compute package will exist courtesy of Luke and co.









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[Arm-netbook] u-boot and extlinux.conf directives

[Nick Hardiman]

Will the u-boot on the computer card be happy with these syslinux config 
directives?

My u-boot skipped some of these with messages like:
  Ignoring unknown command: ui
  Ignoring unknown command: totaltimeout

This is probably my fault - I was thrashing around in the dark. But I thought 
I’d check.

Thanks, Nick

extlinux.conf, copied from a Fedora 24 ARM image
---
# extlinux.conf generated by appliance-creator
ui menu.c32
menu autoboot Welcome to Fedora-Server-armhfp-24_Alpha-7. Automatic boot in # 
second{,s}. Press a key for options.
menu title Fedora-Server-armhfp-24_Alpha-7 Boot Options.
menu hidden
timeout 20
totaltimeout 600

label Fedora-Server-armhfp-24_Alpha-7 (4.5.0-0.rc7.git0.2.fc24.armv7hl)
kernel /vmlinuz-4.5.0-0.rc7.git0.2.fc24.armv7hl
append ro root=UUID=8b0923ec-95c2-433a-b5e6-ee182429a320
fdtdir /dtb-4.5.0-0.rc7.git0.2.fc24.armv7hl/
initrd /initramfs-4.5.0-0.rc7.git0.2.fc24.armv7hl.img
—


links
---
syslinux config directives
http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Config
Fedora changes
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/u-boot_syslinux
ARM image
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/24/Server/armhfp/images/


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[Arm-netbook] simplest internet connection

[Nick Hardiman]

Hi, I saw the 'Earth-friendly EOMA68 Computing Devices’ crowd supply page a 
couple hours ago and have been trawling for more information for the last 
couple hours. I’ve got a question (apologies if I’ve missed something in front 
of my face).

What is the simplest way to hook up a card like this to the Internet?

This seems like an excellent approach to next-generation on-premise computing. 
But the videos, the mail archive and web pages I’ve viewed are all focussed on 
tablets and workstations. I’m basically a server-side computing guy, and I’d 
rather know about ethernet than KVM.

Many thanks,  Nick


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