Re: [Arm-netbook] C++ features

2016-10-02 Thread peter green

On 02/10/16 15:37, FaTony wrote:

Hi. I'm making a C++ game engine and interested in supporting the A20
board. I wonder what features are available there. What's the gcc/g++
version?
Depends on what release of what distro, generally these things are more 
of a distro thing than a board. Thing.

  Is there a std::uint64_t type defined?
I would be very surprised if there wasn't, uint64_t has been arround for 
years.



  Can it do 64 bit
floating point.
   
Assuming you mean double precision floating point, of course it can. We 
aren't talking microcontroller cores here.


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Re: [Arm-netbook] C++ features

2016-10-02 Thread Paul Boddie
On Sunday 2. October 2016 18.42.00 FaTony wrote:
> > I imagine that the supported gcc version will be that provided by the
> > distributions being offered. For Debian, you can find out versions by
> 
> > searching on the packages site:
> Hmm, what version of Debian is preinstalled in the Debian card? I've
> read that it uses custom linux-sunxi kernel so thought it's some kind of
> a custom distro.

I don't know the official situation, but the kernel need not have any impact 
on the distribution. For example, I compile my own kernel for a MIPS-based 
device I occasionally use, but it still runs the standard distribution of 
Debian.

People have "spun" their own custom distributions for various devices, but 
that usually happens out of necessity (using an unsupported architecture 
variant, for example) and/or under some impression that things can be 
"optimised" for a particular piece of hardware. But it should be the last 
resort if only because distributing the software will generally bring with it 
a significant support obligation. (The distributor will need to offer the 
software semi-permanently with corresponding sources and ongoing updates.)

I imagine that Luke will try and stay as close to the upstream distributions 
as possible. That's what I would do, anyway.

Paul

P.S. The effort of "spinning up" a distribution is arguably a lot greater than 
just getting a bootloader and kernel working for a device, which is why I was 
surprised that he dropped the jz4775 card, given that it only needed 
confirmation that u-boot and the Linux kernel were compatible. But then again, 
he also wanted FSF "Respects Your Freedom" certification for the distribution, 
and none of the certified distributions support mipsel: Debian does (and is 
not certified), but gNewSense (being Debian filtered for RYF certification 
purposes) does not presently (and without suitable hardware probably won't in 
future, either).

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Re: [Arm-netbook] C++ features

2016-10-02 Thread FaTony
> I imagine that the supported gcc version will be that provided by the 
> distributions being offered. For Debian, you can find out versions by 
> searching on the packages site:

Hmm, what version of Debian is preinstalled in the Debian card? I've
read that it uses custom linux-sunxi kernel so thought it's some kind of
a custom distro.



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Re: [Arm-netbook] C++ features

2016-10-02 Thread Paul Boddie
On Sunday 2. October 2016 16.37.00 FaTony wrote:
> Hi. I'm making a C++ game engine and interested in supporting the A20
> board. I wonder what features are available there. What's the gcc/g++
> version? Is there a std::uint64_t type defined? Can it do 64 bit
> floating point?

I imagine that the supported gcc version will be that provided by the 
distributions being offered. For Debian, you can find out versions by 
searching on the packages site:

https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

Searching for "gcc" should provide results that employ descriptive package 
versions corresponding to the actual gcc version involved in each case 
(although you may need to strip off prefixes like "4:" and suffixes like "-1" 
as in "4:6.1.1-1" to get "6.1.1").

I see gcc 6.2.0 on Debian unstable, myself, but that's on i386. Nevertheless, 
the supported architectures tend to offer the same versions of things if at 
all possible. My cross-compilers seem to be 5.4.0, but an update is apparently 
pending with those.

I can't answer the specific questions about the A20, but maybe the gcc ARM-
related notes can provide some answers. For example:

https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-6.2.0/gcc/ARM-Options.html

Paul

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