Re: Why does tenure exist?

2002-09-19 Thread AdmrlLocke

Don't federal and state workers effectively have tenure?  Isn't it virtually 
impossible to fire a government worker covered by civil service in America?

DBL




Re: Why does tenure exist?

2002-09-19 Thread david friedman

>(2) I am beginning to doubt that "worker managed firm"
>describes the university. I'm not faculty (yet!) but from what
>I understand, the university administration has great
>power in the university. If they want, administrators can change
>standards for tenure and cut budgets and they control the
>physical plant, and other stuff. The "worker managed lable"
>applies just to the department. There is no reason the administration
>has to allow tenure to exist.
>
>Fabio

My point was not that we had tenure because the department was a 
worker managed firm and the workers wanted tenure. My conjecture was 
that we had tenure because tenure is at least sometimes efficient in 
a worker managed firm. If so, the university administrators might 
support tenure because they want the professors to spend more time on 
teaching and research and less on departmental politics.
-- 
David Friedman
Professor of Law
Santa Clara University
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http://www.daviddfriedman.com/




Re: Why does tenure exist?

2002-09-19 Thread fabio guillermo rojas


> One possible explanation for tenure is that university departments 
> are to a large degree worker managed firms. One problem with a worker 
> David Friedman

David's explanations make sense, but I'm empirically skeptical on
two grounds:

(1) Why is it that only educational worker managed firms have tenure?
I could be wrong, but why don't kibbutzes have tenure? or Berkeley's
bohemian co-ops?

(2) I am beginning to doubt that "worker managed firm"
describes the university. I'm not faculty (yet!) but from what
I understand, the university administration has great
power in the university. If they want, administrators can change
standards for tenure and cut budgets and they control the
physical plant, and other stuff. The "worker managed lable"
applies just to the department. There is no reason the administration
has to allow tenure to exist. 

Fabio