Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-10 Thread William Dickens

 Indeed, the ease with
which the clever people on this list are able to generate explanations
that go either way seems to me to be a bad sign for evolutionary
psychology.


Hi Alex,
 It was a bad sign for EP 25 years ago when that was virtually all there was to EP 
(then called socio-biology) but EP these days does a lot more than generate 
interesting explanations. Today's EP practitioners use their explanations to generate 
predictions for laboratory behavior of humans today and then test those predictions. 
They are sometimes quite startling. 
 Perhaps the best example is the many many experiments that show that an 
elementary logic problem can be posed in dozens of different more and less familiar 
ways and most people will get it wrong. But pose the problem in a form in which it 
involves identifying cheating on social exchange, even if the setting is very 
unfamiliar, and almost everybody gets it right. This pattern was a prediction of EP 
theory of social exchange. 
 In other examples, women have been asked in laboratories to select the pictures 
of men they find most appealing for short affairs and for long term relationships. 
There is a very strong tendency for them to choose men with physical characteristics 
typical of those with higher testosterone levels for affairs than for long term 
relationships. Also, the tendency to choose higher testosterone goes up when women are 
ovulating. (Both EP predictions.)
 There are some examples where predictions have been less spectacularly 
successful. For example, attempts to establish an evolutionary explanation for 
aesthetics have been less than fully successful (I'm being generous). 
 Still, there can be no doubt that EP is a real science which is making real 
progress in understanding human behavior. This from someone who only 7 years ago was 
about as die hard an environmentalist as there could be. The more I've learned the 
more I've been won over to the view that there are important insights to be had by 
studying the genetic origins of behavior.
- - Bill Dickens (DC based)

William T. Dickens
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20036
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/09/01 06:31PM 
Why not deny the empirical fact - given all we have for data is a
second-hand report about a newspaper column! 

Alex 
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The Independent Institute
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RE: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-10 Thread Grey Thomas

The Fight or Flight adrenaline effect is yet another (possibly clever?)
explanatory note; the specific adversity/disaster is important.  I don't
believe in any general happiness while hungry or happiness while in
pain. But when the crummy circumstance was caused by a more specific
threat, the adrenaline creates a chemical mood change, at least temporarily.
In war, repeatedly.
 
It's not clear if EP tests given to the Russians during the war would give
the same results as those same tests a few years after the war -- I think
not; what's too painful to remember, we simply choose to forget; so it's
the laughter, which we remember...

Another issue is solidarity -- when people can join together to fight
against the bad situation, and those nearby are similarly enduring the
problems.  Not misery loves company, but we shall overcome and we're
all in this together.  Mob pyschology / holy spirit in gatherings (?); the
US 60's protests generated intense feelings, and many ex hippies never felt
generally as good again.

And one more issue, the lack of regret about decisions, especially in war.
Most soldiers follow orders, which they're not really responsible for.  For
many people, too many choices, too much freedom, causes unhappy
indecisiveness about what is desired and what should be chosen.  In a
stressful time when there are few or no other choices, there is no
opportunity-lost regret about what wasn't done.  The clarity of pure action
implementation, do, or do not; there is no try, allows a focus of effort
and, if successful, a pure enjoyment.  This is also related to the enjoyment
of trying your hardest, really giving 100% of yourself, to a worthy goal.


This sounds like sports; when I played ultimate at lunch, it was great to
stop thinking about work and the world etc., and just strive to be the best
I could be.  It also sounds like cramming for tests in university.  Insofar
as lack of choice is important, then it's probably a little outside of
utility maximizing considerations.

Whether disaster raises happiness; or, if there's more happiness under
adversity, then why?
is really interesting and leads down many paths.  

Tom Grey

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Well, the second-hand report supplied by me was just one bit of
evidence in support of the more general observation that some people
report that they are happiest in situations of adversity - a point
raised by Robin. Someone volunteered that a survey had shown that
some Russians were happiest during WWII, when millions were killed
or starved to death. 

The question is whether this situation - happiness during 
adversity - is typical for certain contexts. That't empirical. The
theoretical question is Robin's: if it is true that
you can increase your happiness in crummy circumstance, then
is that not a challenge to the utility maximizing hypothesis
that modern economics is based on? 

Fabio




Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-10 Thread Daljit Dhadwal

The EP experiments don't seem that convincing. Can't you make the same
arguments against the EP experiments that many economists make against the
work of Kahneman/Tversky --that there isn't enough at stake for the
individual to make a good decision. It seems silly to show people
pictures and ask them who'd they'd like to spend their life with or have
a fling with. Would the test subject care about putting any effort into
making their decesion in such an artificial setting?

Daljit Dhadwal

William Dickens wrote:

Today's EP practitioners use their
 explanations to generate predictions for laboratory behavior of humans today
 and then test those predictions. They are sometimes quite startling. 

  Perhaps the best example is the many many experiments that show that
 an elementary logic problem can be posed in dozens of different more and less
 familiar ways and most people will get it wrong. But pose the problem in a
 form in which it involves identifying cheating on social exchange, even if
 the setting is very unfamiliar, and almost everybody gets it right.
 This pattern was a prediction of EP theory of social exchange. 
  In other examples, women have been asked in laboratories to select
 the pictures of men they find most appealing for short affairs and for
 long term relationships. There is a very strong tendency for them to
 choose men with physical characteristics typical of those with higher
 testosterone levels for affairs than for long term relationships. Also, 
the tendency to choose higher testosterone goes up when women are ovulating.
 (Both EP predictions.)

 - - Bill Dickens (DC based)
 
 William T. Dickens
 The Brookings Institution
 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
 Washington, DC 20036
 Phone: (202) 797-6113
 FAX: (202) 797-6181
 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 AOL IM: wtdickens
 



RE: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-09 Thread William Dickens

Since Darwin we normally think that it is women who choose which males to mate with 
since males want to mate indiscriminately. Thus you would expect it would be the male 
who would have to adapt to the woman and not the other way around. However, if we are 
talking about males supporting women and/or forming lifetime bonds then we have an 
evolutionary game and it isn't clear what the outcome is. However, that just puts us 
back in the dilemma that I proposed earlier. We can see that it might be in men's 
interest to want to mate when threatened but not women. I don't deny the empirical 
fact, I just don't buy the explanations that have been given.  - - Bill Dickens

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/03/01 12:12PM 
I think the popularity of Nightmare on Elm Street, etc., 
including with many young women, is fairly relevant, 
and supportive of stress arousal.

I'd suspect a strong second order effect in women: 
the men are more than usually aroused; 
which leads to more than usual arousal in the women.  
I'd suspect women who are NOT more than usually 
aroused with such men to be at a doubly severe 
evolutionary disadvantage: a) fewer children overall,
and b) less likely to keep a father around to help
with the kids she does have.  



Tom Grey

-Original Message-
From: William Dickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust


I think this is a good EP explanation  for men, but there is a problem with
it as an explanation for women. I have to admit that I don't know if women
are aroused by stress as well, but from the woman's perspective it would
seem that her offspring would be most likely to succeed if she waited for
the guys to come back and then picked from that bunch. They would presumably
be a more fit sub-sample of the original population and would be more likely
to be around to help provide for the children. - - Bill Dickens


William T. Dickens
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20036
Phone: (202) 797-6113
FAX: (202) 797-6181
E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
AOL IM: wtdickens

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/01/01 10:19PM 
With regard to Mr. Dickens' comment regarding whether stress should
cause 
sexual arousal, I am tempted to think that evolutionary psychology can 
certainly explain this phenomenon.  Early societies, according to most
models 
of human development, used the males as hunters and warriors; females were 
gatherers.  With this division of labor, males certainly incurred the more 
perilous part of the community's job.  Before an important hunt or major 
battle, it is manifestly in the male's evolutionary favor to become sexually

aroused; after all, this may be his genome's last chance to reproduce
itself! 
 Even if he dies in battle, his sex partners -- still safely at home -- will

be able to bear his young. 




RE: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-09 Thread dmitche4

The problem with all of this is that humans don't really fit the mold.  
In other animals it is always the male who is adorned.  The male lion 
has the mane.  The male peacock has the long tail.  Even in less 
glamorous birds like ducks.  The male is more colorful.

In humans however, it appears that it is the women who spend more time 
primping and preening. (Good thing, I've already disqualified myself 
from running for office.)Males tend to spend less time on their 
appearance.

Even though I'm the worst offender for bringing in animal behavior 
models, this would seem to make these models less applicable to humans.

David Mitchell

- Original Message -
From: William Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, October 9, 2001 3:27 pm
Subject: RE: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

 Since Darwin we normally think that it is women who choose which 
 males to mate with since males want to mate indiscriminately. Thus 
 you would expect it would be the male who would have to adapt to 
 the woman and not the other way around. However, if we are talking 
 about males supporting women and/or forming lifetime bonds then we 
 have an evolutionary game and it isn't clear what the outcome is. 
 However, that just puts us back in the dilemma that I proposed 
 earlier. We can see that it might be in men's interest to want to 
 mate when threatened but not women. I don't deny the empirical 
 fact, I just don't buy the explanations that have been given.  - - 
 Bill Dickens
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/03/01 12:12PM 
 I think the popularity of Nightmare on Elm Street, etc., 
 including with many young women, is fairly relevant, 
 and supportive of stress arousal.
 
 I'd suspect a strong second order effect in women: 
 the men are more than usually aroused; 
 which leads to more than usual arousal in the women.  
 I'd suspect women who are NOT more than usually 
 aroused with such men to be at a doubly severe 
 evolutionary disadvantage: a) fewer children overall,
 and b) less likely to keep a father around to help
 with the kids she does have.  
 
 
 
 Tom Grey
 
 -Original Message-
 From: William Dickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:17 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Subject: Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust
 
 
 I think this is a good EP explanation  for men, but there is a 
 problem with
 it as an explanation for women. I have to admit that I don't know 
 if women
 are aroused by stress as well, but from the woman's perspective it 
 wouldseem that her offspring would be most likely to succeed if 
 she waited for
 the guys to come back and then picked from that bunch. They would 
 presumablybe a more fit sub-sample of the original population and 
 would be more likely
 to be around to help provide for the children. - - Bill Dickens
 
 
 William T. Dickens
 The Brookings Institution
 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
 Washington, DC 20036
 Phone: (202) 797-6113
 FAX: (202) 797-6181
 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 AOL IM: wtdickens
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/01/01 10:19PM 
With regard to Mr. Dickens' comment regarding whether stress 
 shouldcause 
 sexual arousal, I am tempted to think that evolutionary psychology 
 can 
 certainly explain this phenomenon.  Early societies, according to most
 models 
 of human development, used the males as hunters and warriors; 
 females were 
 gatherers.  With this division of labor, males certainly incurred 
 the more 
 perilous part of the community's job.  Before an important hunt or 
 major 
 battle, it is manifestly in the male's evolutionary favor to 
 become sexually
 
 aroused; after all, this may be his genome's last chance to reproduce
 itself! 
 Even if he dies in battle, his sex partners -- still safely at 
 home -- will
 
 be able to bear his young. 
 
 




Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-09 Thread Alex Tabarrok

Why not deny the empirical fact - given all we have for data is a
second-hand report about a newspaper column!  Indeed, the ease with
which the clever people on this list are able to generate explanations
that go either way seems to me to be a bad sign for evolutionary
psychology.

Alex 
-- 
Dr. Alexander Tabarrok
Vice President and Director of Research
The Independent Institute
100 Swan Way
Oakland, CA, 94621-1428
Tel. 510-632-1366, FAX: 510-568-6040
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



RE: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-04 Thread Grey Thomas

I think the popularity of Nightmare on Elm Street, etc., 
including with many young women, is fairly relevant, 
and supportive of stress arousal.

I'd suspect a strong second order effect in women: 
the men are more than usually aroused; 
which leads to more than usual arousal in the women.  
I'd suspect women who are NOT more than usually 
aroused with such men to be at a doubly severe 
evolutionary disadvantage: a) fewer children overall,
and b) less likely to keep a father around to help
with the kids she does have.  



Tom Grey

-Original Message-
From: William Dickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust


I think this is a good EP explanation  for men, but there is a problem with
it as an explanation for women. I have to admit that I don't know if women
are aroused by stress as well, but from the woman's perspective it would
seem that her offspring would be most likely to succeed if she waited for
the guys to come back and then picked from that bunch. They would presumably
be a more fit sub-sample of the original population and would be more likely
to be around to help provide for the children. - - Bill Dickens


William T. Dickens
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20036
Phone: (202) 797-6113
FAX: (202) 797-6181
E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AOL IM: wtdickens

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/01/01 10:19PM 
With regard to Mr. Dickens' comment regarding whether stress should
cause 
sexual arousal, I am tempted to think that evolutionary psychology can 
certainly explain this phenomenon.  Early societies, according to most
models 
of human development, used the males as hunters and warriors; females were 
gatherers.  With this division of labor, males certainly incurred the more 
perilous part of the community's job.  Before an important hunt or major 
battle, it is manifestly in the male's evolutionary favor to become sexually

aroused; after all, this may be his genome's last chance to reproduce
itself! 
 Even if he dies in battle, his sex partners -- still safely at home -- will

be able to bear his young. 



Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-03 Thread William Dickens

I think this is a good EP explanation  for men, but there is a problem with it as an 
explanation for women. I have to admit that I don't know if women are aroused by 
stress as well, but from the woman's perspective it would seem that her offspring 
would be most likely to succeed if she waited for the guys to come back and then 
picked from that bunch. They would presumably be a more fit sub-sample of the original 
population and would be more likely to be around to help provide for the children. - - 
Bill Dickens


William T. Dickens
The Brookings Institution
1775 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20036
Phone: (202) 797-6113
FAX: (202) 797-6181
E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AOL IM: wtdickens

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/01/01 10:19PM 
With regard to Mr. Dickens' comment regarding whether stress should cause 
sexual arousal, I am tempted to think that evolutionary psychology can 
certainly explain this phenomenon.  Early societies, according to most models 
of human development, used the males as hunters and warriors; females were 
gatherers.  With this division of labor, males certainly incurred the more 
perilous part of the community's job.  Before an important hunt or major 
battle, it is manifestly in the male's evolutionary favor to become sexually 
aroused; after all, this may be his genome's last chance to reproduce itself! 
 Even if he dies in battle, his sex partners -- still safely at home -- will 
be able to bear his young. 




SV: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-03 Thread Jacob W Bræstrup


I remember to have both read and seen (on discovery channel) a couple of
studies that conclude that human females do in fact use this same strategy
as the birds (nesting with the reliable male, but mating with the high
quality). I believe this was labelled as a superior mating strategy - just
as the superior male mating strategy is to find the right mix of quality
(staying and raising his offspring) and quantity (mating with as many as
possible).

That this primal urge among women was still alive and kicking was allegedly
confirmed by a study (conducted on british discos, I believe) showing that
women are more prone to go out alone (with female friends - whithout
boyfriends / husbands) when they also have the biggest chance of getting
pregnant. That - compaired with the girls NOT pregnant-prone - these girls
were also more likely to be dressed to kill. And - finally - that girls
where more likely to be unfaithful at this time of the month.

Also supporting this theory is a study (reported this summer in Danish
media) based on the growing number of instances where a father volunteers to
donate an organ to one of his own children. In 15 percent of these cases (in
Denmark) - if I remember right - the DNA test reveiled that the two were NOT
related (of course the fathers were not told this - only that there was no
match). Presumably these figures excluded fathers who already knew that they
were not the father of the child.

Although it is probably a somewhat small sample (I don't remember the size),
it is nevertheless pretty representative of the population at large, I would
say.

As I said, most of this is just what I remember off hand - can anyone
confirm???

Jacob Wimpffen Bræstrup
Esthersvej 22, 2tv.
DK-2900 Hellerup
DENMARK
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Possibly.  In many species of birds, the female will mate with high
quality males who are often not around b/c high quality males have many
mating opportunities.  The female then nests with a lower quality male
who raises the young.  I don't actually know if humans do this, b/c
humans don't always fit the models.

Mitch Mitchell

- Original Message -
From: William Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2001 7:17 am
Subject: Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

 I think this is a good EP explanation  for men, but there is a
 problem with it as an explanation for women. I have to admit that
 I don't know if women are aroused by stress as well, but from the
 woman's perspective it would seem that her offspring would be most
 likely to succeed if she waited for the guys to come back and then
 picked from that bunch. They would presumably be a more fit sub-
 sample of the original population and would be more likely to be
 around to help provide for the children. - - Bill Dickens


 William T. Dickens
 The Brookings Institution
 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
 Washington, DC 20036
 Phone: (202) 797-6113
 FAX: (202) 797-6181
 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 AOL IM: wtdickens

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/01/01 10:19PM 
With regard to Mr. Dickens' comment regarding whether stress
 should cause
 sexual arousal, I am tempted to think that evolutionary psychology
 can
 certainly explain this phenomenon.  Early societies, according to
 most models
 of human development, used the males as hunters and warriors;
 females were
 gatherers.  With this division of labor, males certainly incurred
 the more
 perilous part of the community's job.  Before an important hunt or
 major
 battle, it is manifestly in the male's evolutionary favor to
 become sexually
 aroused; after all, this may be his genome's last chance to
 reproduce itself!
 Even if he dies in battle, his sex partners -- still safely at
 home -- will
 be able to bear his young.






RE: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-02 Thread James Sproule

Misery, it seems, loves company.  How much less depressing life is if
everyone is having a hard time, indeed, look no further than Communism to
see how everyone being miserable together is still seen by some as
preferable to people getting on and succeeding as a result of their own
efforts.

The bigger question for me (sitting here in London) is when will the US
consumer snap out of their present mood and once again begin to shop?

James

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John Cunningham
Sent: 01 October 2001 18:25
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I think I recall also reading somewhere that suicide rates dropped markedly
during both the Great Depression and WW II.

John

At 11:43 AM 10/1/01 -0400, you wrote:
A lot of Soviet citizens, similarly, (retrospectively) claimed they were
happiest during World War II, when something like 1-out-of-8 perished!
--
 Prof. Bryan Caplan
Department of Economics  George Mason University
 http://www.bcaplan.com  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Familiar as the voice of the mind is to each, the highest merit we
ascribe to Moses, Plato, and Milton is, that they set at naught
books and traditions, and spoke not what men but what *they*
thought. A man should learn to detect and watch that gleam of
light which flashes across his mind from within, more than the
lustre of the firmament of bards and sages.
 --Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance





Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-01 Thread Bryan Caplan

A lot of Soviet citizens, similarly, (retrospectively) claimed they were
happiest during World War II, when something like 1-out-of-8 perished!
-- 
Prof. Bryan Caplan
   Department of Economics  George Mason University
http://www.bcaplan.com  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Familiar as the voice of the mind is to each, the highest merit we 
   ascribe to Moses, Plato, and Milton is, that they set at naught 
   books and traditions, and spoke not what men but what *they* 
   thought. A man should learn to detect and watch that gleam of 
   light which flashes across his mind from within, more than the 
   lustre of the firmament of bards and sages. 
--Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance



Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-01 Thread Alex Tabarrok


Bryan Caplan wrote:
 
 A lot of Soviet citizens, similarly, (retrospectively) claimed they were
 happiest during World War II, when something like 1-out-of-8 perished!

Selection bias!

Alex
-- 
Dr. Alexander Tabarrok
Vice President and Director of Research
The Independent Institute
100 Swan Way
Oakland, CA, 94621-1428
Tel. 510-632-1366, FAX: 510-568-6040
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-01 Thread fabio guillermo rojas


An article in the LA Times discusses how high levels of stress
change hormonal balances in the body causing, ahem, sexual arousal
during times of stress. 

I can easily imagine a similar effect for just plain happiness.

Fabio

On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Robin Hanson wrote:

 The Washington Post had two interesting articles yesterday about the
 recent disaster changed public opinion, on happiness and on trust.
 
 On happiness, when asked last weekend to rate the overall quality of
 their lives on a seven point scale, more than 44% picked the highest
 rating.  In June that was 30%, and in December 1999 it was 31%.  This
 seems to me to be an enormous problem for those who want to measure
 economic policies by how much they increase reported happiness.  Was
 this disaster good for the nation because it made people happier?!
 
 On trust,  when asked Sept 25-27, 64% of Americans now trust the
 federal government nearly always or most of the time to do what is
 right, more than double the percentage who said so in April 2000, and
 the highest it has been for three decades.  If we interpret this to
 be a factual estimate by those questioned, rather than a statement
 of values, this seems very hard to square with rationality.  What
 evidence of federal behavior in the last two weeks could possibly
 be the basis for this huge change in opinion?  The big info has to
 be that the disaster was allowed to occur, and most federal action
 since then has been a promises to do useful things, rather than
 doing anything demonstrably useful.  This seems to me a clear case
 of wishful thinking, where people believe what they want to be true.
 
 
 Robin Hanson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://hanson.gmu.edu
 Asst. Prof. Economics, George Mason University
 MSN 1D3, Carow Hall, Fairfax VA 22030-
 703-993-2326  FAX: 703-993-2323
 




Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-01 Thread John Cunningham

I think I recall also reading somewhere that suicide rates dropped markedly 
during both the Great Depression and WW II.

John

At 11:43 AM 10/1/01 -0400, you wrote:
A lot of Soviet citizens, similarly, (retrospectively) claimed they were
happiest during World War II, when something like 1-out-of-8 perished!
--
 Prof. Bryan Caplan
Department of Economics  George Mason University
 http://www.bcaplan.com  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Familiar as the voice of the mind is to each, the highest merit we
ascribe to Moses, Plato, and Milton is, that they set at naught
books and traditions, and spoke not what men but what *they*
thought. A man should learn to detect and watch that gleam of
light which flashes across his mind from within, more than the
lustre of the firmament of bards and sages.
 --Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance





Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-01 Thread Robin Hanson

Fabio Rojas wrote:
An article in the LA Times discusses how high levels of stress
change hormonal balances in the body causing, ahem, sexual arousal
during times of stress.

William Dickens wrote:
Well that (if the LA Times got it right) is a very odd fact. Why would we 
be programmed to make babies when we are under stress as opposed to when 
we are fat and content? ... it really seems that such an impulse would be 
counter productive. ... Perhaps our emotional/behavioral systems simply 
aren't sophisticated enough to parse out different types of arousal, but 
if that is true that should throw a lot of suspicion on the whole 
enterprise of evolutionary psychology since the mechanisms that are being 
posited concerning sexuality and social interaction are usually much more 
highly nuanced than this.

One evolutionary psychology interpretation would be that when a group is 
suddenly threatened, its members are programmed to reassure each other of 
their affection and loyalty.  Sex can do that.  Babies may result, but 
perhaps other processes can reduce that effect when babies are less desired.

Robin Hanson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://hanson.gmu.edu
Asst. Prof. Economics, George Mason University
MSN 1D3, Carow Hall, Fairfax VA 22030-
703-993-2326  FAX: 703-993-2323



Re: Disaster Raises Happiness, Trust

2001-10-01 Thread Shadowgold

With regard to Mr. Dickens' comment regarding whether stress should cause 
sexual arousal, I am tempted to think that evolutionary psychology can 
certainly explain this phenomenon.  Early societies, according to most models 
of human development, used the males as hunters and warriors; females were 
gatherers.  With this division of labor, males certainly incurred the more 
perilous part of the community's job.  Before an important hunt or major 
battle, it is manifestly in the male's evolutionary favor to become sexually 
aroused; after all, this may be his genome's last chance to reproduce itself! 
 Even if he dies in battle, his sex partners -- still safely at home -- will 
be able to bear his young.  From an economic perspective, a man who expects 
to die tomorrow discounts the future at a rate of infinity and thus strives 
to consume as much product as possible immediately.
Some variant of this story is likely true for women as well; if virtually 
the entire male contingent of the tribe (and probably the fittest contingent 
at that) is going off to war, women must be impregnated immediately if they 
are to bear fit offspring.  Hence they, too, increase the rate at which they 
discount the future.
I would suppose that this increased rate is the cause of increased 
happiness in the public.  If people discount the future at a high rate, they 
are likely to indulge in instant gratification, intensifying their spending 
and reaping the short-term utility of their action.  This boosts their level 
of happiness, causing the poll results.  (This might also suggest that the 
oft-noted increase in wartime GDP stems in part from the private sector.)
Any thoughts?

--Brian Auriti