Re: [ARMedslack] Slackware ARM on Raspberry Pi

2013-05-02 Thread stanley garvey
On May 2, 2013 13:27 Thorsten Mühlfelder thenk...@salixos.org wrote:

  rich@rpi-17:~$ uname -a
  Linux rpi-17 3.6.11+ #408 PREEMPT Wed Apr 10 20:33:39 BST 2013
  armv6l
  ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) BCM2708 GNU/Linux
  
  also see
  http://imageshack.us/a/img849/863/screenshot0316201309191.png
 
 Looks nice, but it is damn slow when used as desktop, isn't it?
 
 That's a moot point. The Raspberry pi was never intended to be a
 desktop machine it is a toy computer for children to learn programming
 and electronic interfacing on. It also depends on what you mean by
 desktop, if you mean desktop environment, the there are many to chose
 from. I would not recommend running KDE on a Raspberry pi but xfce is
 pretty nippy once it has loaded (on start up things like gpg-agent run
 in the background soaking up 100 cpu., This can be turned off if you
 wish). Speed is also affected by the raspberry pi's use of SD card
 storage, you may find you have periods of high iowait caused by kswapd
 and mmcd, This can be addressed by turning off journaling and access
 time writes to SDcard etc.
 All in all the Raspberry pi is a neat bit of 'off the shelf' kit that
 has great potential for use in not only in education but also home
 automation and building cool gadgets like media centers, wifi internet
 radios etc, etc.
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Re: [ARMedslack] Slackware ARM on Raspberry Pi

2013-05-02 Thread dowelld



On May 2, 2013 13:27 Thorsten Mühlfelder thenk...@salixos.org wrote:

rich@rpi-17:~$ uname -a
Linux rpi-17 3.6.11+ #408 PREEMPT Wed Apr 10 20:33:39 BST 2013 armv6l 
ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) BCM2708 GNU/Linux

also see http://imageshack.us/a/img849/863/screenshot0316201309191.png

Looks nice, but it is damn slow when used as desktop, isn't it?

That's a moot point. The Raspberry pi was never intended to be a desktop 
machine it is a toy computer for children to learn programming and electronic 
interfacing on. It also depends on what you mean by desktop, if you mean 
desktop environment, the there are many to chose from. I would not recommend 
running KDE on a Raspberry pi but xfce is pretty nippy once it has loaded (on 
start up things like gpg-agent run in the background soaking up 100 cpu., This 
can be turned off if you wish). Speed is also affected by the raspberry pi's 
use of SD card storage, you may find you have periods of high iowait caused by 
kswapd and mmcd, This can be addressed by turning off journaling and access 
time writes to SDcard etc.
All in all the Raspberry pi is a neat bit of 'off the shelf' kit that has great 
potential for use in not only in education but also home automation and 
building cool gadgets like media centers, wifi internet radios etc, etc.



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I'm using it as an headless appliance to provide remote support to customers, 
so I'm not using it in any kind of desktop role.
For what I'm using it as it's a great little cheap box, doing sterling work as 
a protocol bridge.
Our customers love that it basically extends our support structure right inside 
of their infrastructure, making passing stuff to us as easy as anything they do 
on their own systems.

Looking at it from the declared aims of the foundation, I'm not sure their 
project is ontrack to deliver anything like what they set about it delivering. 
Which is why I stopped bothering to contribute to their site.
It seems to have been taken over by hobbyists who all know how to make it be a 
media server, or a home automation device.
The community has become filled with those people who have already done the 
work for the targeted audience.

But then I think people are inherently lazy, if a pre-existing solution exists, 
which does what that person wants, then they'll use that solution rather than 
go and write one themselves.
FOSS pretty much proves that beyond any doubt. Slackware undoubtedly proves it 
beyond any doubt, many slackers could build from scratch but we all like what 
Pat (@ team (not excluding any of the rest of you Stuart)) did, so we don't 
bother doing it ourselves.

I can't help feeling the hobbyist community which has grown up around the Pi 
has pretty much ruled out kids bothering to learn with it, they'll just use the 
hobbyists stuff on their Pis.
Now if the hobbyist community had been about here's how you could make it into 
a ... instead of here's an image which makes it a ... then they might have 
had something.

If you can accept (and work around) its limitations (like 22 hours for a full 
build on a single Pi (distcc is a wonderful bit of kit :-) ), then it's a very 
capable little box, well worth the money.

Thanks
Dave

 
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