Re: [arts-users] arts_users.mi Digest, Vol 53, Issue 1

2020-11-12 Thread Fox, Stuart
Hi Renish/Stefan,

Looking at the controlfile Stefan recommends I have a couple of 
concerns/questions. Firstly, it looks to me that the Oxygen absorption set-up 
is using line parameters from the catalog file (which I'm assuming is 
HITRAN-2012?), but does not have any line mixing. I would expect this to lead 
to problems in the 50-60GHz oxygen band and have an impact out into the 89GHz 
window region. My understanding was that it was simplest to use the "O2-TRE05" 
complete absorption model for oxygen which does include the line mixing effects?

The water vapour set-up is probably fine, although my preference is to use the 
values from the AER catalog which has a couple of tweaks to better fit some 
atmospheric observations. I think the recent releases are almost the same as 
HITRAN-2016, but maybe not HITRAN-2012? Recent versions of ARTS also have the 
CKDMT320 continuum (courtesy of Emma Turner) and I've found that seems to give 
a reasonable match to much of our airborne data.

Regards,

Stuart

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Today's Topics:

   1. Choosing the right Continua models/spectroscopy data
  (Thomas,Renish)
   2. Re: Choosing the right Continua models/spectroscopy   data
  (Stefan Buehler)


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Subject: [arts-users] Choosing the right Continua models/spectroscopy
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Hi Everyone,

I had a question about selecting the best Continua models/spectroscopy lines 
for the most accurate simulation results.

My main species of interest is "H2O" and I am simulating an airborne sensor. 
The difference in brightness temperatures when I use the "H2O-PWR98" vs. "H2O" 
lines from the Perrin database along with the PWR98 model is greater than about 
10 degrees around the 183 GHz water vapor lines.

So, my question is, what is the best strategy on choosing the continua models 
and spectroscopic data around the absorption lines and in the window region 
(Away from absorption lines).

My region of interest is 50-300 GHz.

Also, what are the recommended spectroscopic lines and for what applications 
are they most suited for. Example : Perrins, HITRAN.

Cheers,
Renish

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 09:58:47 +0100
From: "Stefan Buehler" 
To: "Thomas,Renish" 
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Subject: Re: [arts-users] Choosing the right Continua
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Dear Renish,

for microwave water vapor instruments I would recommend the settings from 
controlfiles/instruments/metmm (in the ARTS distro), which were developed by 
Alex Bobryshev and used for this paper:

Bobryshev, O., S. A. Buehler, V. O. John, M. Brath, and H. Brogniez (2018), Is 
there really a closure gap between 183.31 GHz satellite passive microwave and 
in-situ radiosonde water vapor measurements?, IEEE T. Geosci. Remote, 56(5), 
2904?2910, doi:10.1109/TGRS.2017.2786548.

Best wishes,

Stefan

On 12 Nov 2020, at 5:13, Thomas,Renish wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I had a question about selecting the best Continua models/spectroscopy 
> lines for the most accurate simulation results.
>
> My main species of interest is "H2O" and I am simulating an airborne 
> sensor. The difference in brightness temperatures when I use the 
> "H2O-PWR98" vs. "H2O" lines from the Perrin database along with the
> PWR98 model is greater than 

Re: [arts-users] Choosing the right Continua models/spectroscopy data

2020-11-12 Thread Stefan Buehler

Dear Renish,

for microwave water vapor instruments I would recommend the settings 
from controlfiles/instruments/metmm (in the ARTS distro), which were 
developed by Alex Bobryshev and used for this paper:


Bobryshev, O., S. A. Buehler, V. O. John, M. Brath, and H. Brogniez 
(2018), Is there really a closure gap between 183.31 GHz satellite 
passive microwave and in-situ radiosonde water vapor measurements?, IEEE 
T. Geosci. Remote, 56(5), 2904–2910, doi:10.1109/TGRS.2017.2786548.


Best wishes,

Stefan

On 12 Nov 2020, at 5:13, Thomas,Renish wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I had a question about selecting the best Continua models/spectroscopy 
lines for the most accurate simulation results.


My main species of interest is "H2O" and I am simulating an airborne 
sensor. The difference in brightness temperatures when I use the 
"H2O-PWR98" vs. "H2O" lines from the Perrin database along with the 
PWR98 model is greater than about 10 degrees around the 183 GHz water 
vapor lines.


So, my question is, what is the best strategy on choosing the continua 
models and spectroscopic data around the absorption lines and in the 
window region (Away from absorption lines).


My region of interest is 50-300 GHz.

Also, what are the recommended spectroscopic lines and for what 
applications are they most suited for. Example : Perrins, HITRAN.


Cheers,
Renish

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