On 10/22/14, 3:06 PM, Paul Albrecht wrote:
On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:47 AM, BJ Weschke <bwesc...@btwtech.com> wrote:
On 10/22/14, 12:14 PM, Paul Albrecht wrote:
On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Joshua Colp <jc...@digium.com> wrote:
Paul Albrecht wrote:
Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk
community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking
about when he says the community is in transition, moving from dial
plan model to external control.
It was something Ben Klang brought up and wanted to talk about - it's
not something that has been decided 'nor does anyone know what the
future entails. Any further discussions will naturally occur on the
mailing list and in fact some things have explicit action items to bring
them up on here.
The suggestion that Asterisk should consider deprecating AMI/AGI is “crazy talk.” It
doesn’t merit discussion and shouldn’t be on the agenda in the first place. It’s
completely impractical and can never happen. Moreover, Leif seems to think we (the
asterisk community) are in transition. What does that mean? Are we abandoning the
dial plan? Seriously? That’s never gonna happen either. ARI isn’t easier to use than
dial plan scripting. I guess one could hope that "what happens in Vegas stays
in Vegas”, but I don’t think the Asterisk community has that kind of luck.
"It doesn't merit discussions and shouldn't be on the agenda in the
first place." Really?
Paul, aside from the Digium team, everyone else that's there at DevCon
have spent outside funds to get there and I think the consortium is
pretty well able to discuss whatever they'd like regardless of your
dictator like statements which goes against everything that an open
sourced project/community is supposed to be. There have been years
where I'm able to attend DevCon and there have been other years, like
this one, where I'm not able to attend because of prior business
commitments. In the prior years where I haven't been able to attend, I
don't personally feel like anything major was implemented without first
being vetted with the list and community at large. I'm not really sure
why you perceive the whole AstriDevCon event to be some kind of
conspiracy theory against the community at large, but knowing both Josh,
Leif, and many other people in that room for some number of years now, I
can assure you that I've never seen anything other than 100% transparency.
You've made more than clear in prior posts to this forum that you're
not really a fan of ARI. I think we all get it. There are other people
that are fans and, for them, they're in transition to using it in a more
mainstream fashion because it's able to do things for them that AMI and
AGI cannot. I personally still use AGI and AMI in many production
scenarios with Asterisk today and I'm only just thinking lately about
certain applications that I could transition to ARI. We cannot discount
that there's a very large cost for the developers, testers, and the
community at large to continue to keep AMI/AGI maintained and
functionally up to date with all the Asterisk changes along with ARI
given the way that AMI/AGI were originally implemented in the codebase.
For people that are absolutely hooked on still using AMI/AGI in the
longer term, perhaps a discussion could ensue at some point about a
bridge with AMI/AGI functionality being built off of ARI itself, or
maybe that's just crazy talk. I really don't know. The great thing about
Asterisk and the community around it is that if there's enough
participation and interest, anything can happen.
What you’re discounting is the Asterisk community that have used and are using
dial plans and AGI/AMI. If ARI can’t work in that environment, then ARI should
be abandoned as simply unworkable.
I'm not discounting that at all. As I stated already, I am part of
that community that's still making very active use of dial plans and
AGI/AMI on production systems. ARI, by itself, cannot replace that
functionality. It wasn't ever intended to when it was conceived.
Although I was admittedly not in the room nor did I hear any stream or
recording of the event yesterday, I read from Leif's bullet point that
"we" refers to the company and application that he's personally working
with in the current day. "We" doesn't represent the Asterisk community
at large. I think if you had read through the rest of the points and
opinions documented by Matt and the rest of the Digium folks at
https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/AstriDevCon+2014, that would
have become abundantly clear.
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