Re: [Asterisk-Users] [OT] PoE switch question (Netgear FSM7326P works with Cisco)
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: So, I ask again: given the choice between a sub-$100 16-port full-duplex 100Mb switch and external power supplies, and an over-$1000 12-port switch with internal power supply, which do you think is a better value for a small LAN? I can buy $20 3Com PoE bricks and hook them all up to a UPS for a lot less than $900, with the downside being that it will be ugly to look at (and the bricks aren't real PoE, but they are close enough for VOIP phones). Well, that depends how important it is to have phone service during a power outage, and what their UPS budget is! ;) When you add another $55 / workstation for individual UPS units just to ensure the phones work, rather than centralizing that and getting a big-ass central UPS for the entire system, the numbers even out a bit more! ;) -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] [OT] PoE switch question (Netgear FSM7326P works with Cisco)
Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Sean Kennedy wrote: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=568864 Can anyone tell me if this switch will be able to supply a Cisco 7940 phone with power? I've heard of PoE issues with differing switches and the like, and I don't know how to check to see if this switch will be able to drive the phone in question. I would suspect it will not. Cisco phones do not implement standard PoE, they are proprietary. Actually the Netgear FSM7326P does work (we have 4 of them). And they work with regular PoE. Great price for layer 3, 24 ports of 10/100 PoE, and 2 gigabit. Jeb Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] [OT] PoE switch question (Netgear FSM7326P works with Cisco)
Jeb Campbell wrote: Actually the Netgear FSM7326P does work (we have 4 of them). And they work with regular PoE. Great price for layer 3, 24 ports of 10/100 PoE, and 2 gigabit. It would be nice if Netgear would bother to document that on their website and/or data sheet :-) Then again, they probably didn't design any of the hardware in the box, so the Cisco power feature wasn't really added in on purpose, it's just there in the chips they are using. No matter, it's nice to know that it works with them. Now if someone would just make a non-managed PoE 12 port switch we'd be all set for our smaller clients that can't justify the cost of a managed switch... ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] [OT] PoE switch question (Netgear FSM7326P works with Cisco)
Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Jeb Campbell wrote: Actually the Netgear FSM7326P does work (we have 4 of them). And they work with regular PoE. Great price for layer 3, 24 ports of 10/100 PoE, and 2 gigabit. It would be nice if Netgear would bother to document that on their website and/or data sheet :-) Then again, they probably didn't design any of the hardware in the box, so the Cisco power feature wasn't really added in on purpose, it's just there in the chips they are using. No matter, it's nice to know that it works with them. Now if someone would just make a non-managed PoE 12 port switch we'd be all set for our smaller clients that can't justify the cost of a managed switch... Jeeze, how can you NOT justify a 1000 bucks for a PoE switch that has QoS? I was under the impression that QoS was a requirement for VoIP. Well, not technically, but rationally, I wouldn't set any client up on a VoIP system that didn't have a switch that couldn't push the VoIP packets to the front of the queue. But maybe I overplan things. *shrug* Thanks for the answer folks, much apprecaited! Sean Sean ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] [OT] PoE switch question (Netgear FSM7326P works with Cisco)
Sean Kennedy wrote: Jeeze, how can you NOT justify a 1000 bucks for a PoE switch that has QoS? I was under the impression that QoS was a requirement for VoIP. Well, not technically, but rationally, I wouldn't set any client up on a VoIP system that didn't have a switch that couldn't push the VoIP packets to the front of the queue. Uhh, yeah, explain to my customers that have 6-8 phones, 6-8 PCs, a small NAS and a DSL connection that they need a $1000 switch. Go ahead, I dare you :-) QoS on the internal LAN is not something I am at all concerned about. All the switches are 100Mb full duplex, and have switching fabrics capable of much more than that. Any traffic generated between the PCs and the NAS is not likely to affect VOIP at all. There are no queues being shared between the VOIP phones and any other devices on the network, except for traffic leaving the LAN. Where these clients _do_ need QoS is on their router that connects to the ISP, but we can handle that, again without spending $1000. So, I ask again: given the choice between a sub-$100 16-port full-duplex 100Mb switch and external power supplies, and an over-$1000 12-port switch with internal power supply, which do you think is a better value for a small LAN? I can buy $20 3Com PoE bricks and hook them all up to a UPS for a lot less than $900, with the downside being that it will be ugly to look at (and the bricks aren't real PoE, but they are close enough for VOIP phones). ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] [OT] PoE switch question (Netgear FSM7326P works with Cisco)
Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Sean Kennedy wrote: Jeeze, how can you NOT justify a 1000 bucks for a PoE switch that has QoS? I was under the impression that QoS was a requirement for VoIP. Well, not technically, but rationally, I wouldn't set any client up on a VoIP system that didn't have a switch that couldn't push the VoIP packets to the front of the queue. Uhh, yeah, explain to my customers that have 6-8 phones, 6-8 PCs, a small NAS and a DSL connection that they need a $1000 switch. Go ahead, I dare you :-) QoS on the internal LAN is not something I am at all concerned about. All the switches are 100Mb full duplex, and have switching fabrics capable of much more than that. Any traffic generated between the PCs and the NAS is not likely to affect VOIP at all. There are no queues being shared between the VOIP phones and any other devices on the network, except for traffic leaving the LAN. Where these clients _do_ need QoS is on their router that connects to the ISP, but we can handle that, again without spending $1000. So, I ask again: given the choice between a sub-$100 16-port full-duplex 100Mb switch and external power supplies, and an over-$1000 12-port switch with internal power supply, which do you think is a better value for a small LAN? I can buy $20 3Com PoE bricks and hook them all up to a UPS for a lot less than $900, with the downside being that it will be ugly to look at (and the bricks aren't real PoE, but they are close enough for VOIP phones). Differing styles I'm thinking. Anything more than 4 clients, and I recommend a managed switch ( in most situations ). Now, this might be because my smaller clients tend towards growth. They aren't going to stay small. So I set them up in a way that they will not need to worry about replacing equipment every year, they can just expand with what they have. If they have any problems with the setup I did for them, that reflects poorly on me and my abilities, and it doesn't make my client happy. Hence, no referrals for me. :) And with VoIP, it's obvious when something isn't working as it should. Besides, $1000 bucks is a tax right-off. And if you are going to do something, do it right the first time, so you don't have to touch it again. *shrug* ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] [OT] PoE switch question (Netgear FSM7326P works with Cisco)
Sean Kennedy wrote: Differing styles I'm thinking. Anything more than 4 clients, and I recommend a managed switch ( in most situations ). Now, this might be because my smaller clients tend towards growth. They aren't going to stay small. So I set them up in a way that they will not need to worry about replacing equipment every year, they can just expand with what they have. Yeah, that's definitely a very different style. In an office with 6 PCs, exactly who is ever going to run the management application for that switch? Do any of the staff at that location even have a clue what any of that information is for? I'd be surprised if any of my clients even cared about it at all, to be honest. I have yet to come across a small business office that could not be well served with one or two reliable 16-port switches, of the sub-$100 variety. If they have more than 32 nodes, then they will likely have some on-site staff, and then a managed platform might make sense. In my opinion, the managed switch is providing no additional value at all if no one ever uses the management interface. It certainly isn't going to forward packets any differently, unless it implements QoS and there is a demonstrated need for it on that LAN. Yes, very different styles. I try to implement only what my customers can afford, without using bargain-basement equipment. Saying $1000 is a tax right-off (sic) sounds like something someone who had never run a business would say :-) Whether you can write it off or not, it's still $900 more than you had to spend. If that $900 pays for a new copier, or part of someone's salary, or anything else, it's doing a lot more good for the business than the management interface in that switch. Now granted, as Joe already pointed out, managed switches don't have to cost $1000. They only seem to cost that much when they also have PoE in them, for some bizarre reason. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] [OT] PoE switch question (Netgear FSM7326P works with Cisco)
Yeah, that's definitely a very different style. In an office with 6 PCs, exactly who is ever going to run the management application for that switch? Do any of the staff at that location even have a clue what any of that information is for? I'd be surprised if any of my clients even cared about it at all, to be honest. 1. I will be responsible for the management, as I am the contractor for that office ( typically ), until they get large enough to get their own on site tech. 2. No, which is why they hire me. 3. The purchaser does, I make sure they understand their options before they make their decision. Now, they may base their decision off my recommendation, but that's their choice to make still, I am not responsible for that. I have yet to come across a small business office that could not be well served with one or two reliable 16-port switches, of the sub-$100 variety. If they have more than 32 nodes, then they will likely have some on-site staff, and then a managed platform might make sense. In my opinion, the managed switch is providing no additional value at all if no one ever uses the management interface. It certainly isn't going to forward packets any differently, unless it implements QoS and there is a demonstrated need for it on that LAN. As I mentioned, I take care of my clients until they get large enough to need an on site tech. Managed switches allow more control over the network, which makes all kinds of sense in an unsupervised enviroment. Yes, very different styles. I try to implement only what my customers can afford, without using bargain-basement equipment. Saying $1000 is a tax right-off (sic) sounds like something someone who had never run a business would say :-) Whether you can write it off or not, it's still $900 more than you had to spend. If that $900 pays for a new copier, or part of someone's salary, or anything else, it's doing a lot more good for the business than the management interface in that switch. I have very few clients that plan on staying small, therefore, buying equipment just to get by until they get larger doesn't make any sense. I set them up and I set them up right, so when they do become large, they don't get growing pains. The few clients I do have that don't plan on getting large I still recommend a managed switch ( I don't stress it as heavily ). It's just too damned handy, and truly, 5-600 bucks is a good investment on network equipment, and as mentioned, is a tax write off. After being a contractor for as many years as I have been, I've stopped worrying about cost. It's not that it's not important, far from it. However, it's more important to get the right equipment setup the first time around, instead of piecing equipment together as they get larger. I had a customer that I thought would never need a 10/100 managed switch with a few gigabit ports, but I set them up with it anyway ( I even told the customer that they probably wouldn't need it, but they decided to go with it because I recommended they do so ), only to find that, a year later, they were using even the managed features of the switch ( voip situation that I was not a part of ). Since they went VoIP, and I wasn't able to supply them with that, I'm not their contractor anymore. However, I still get referrences from them. ;) It's all about making the customer happy, and I find customers are happiest even when they have to swallow a big pill up front, as apposed to later. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
