RE: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-25 Thread Andreas Sikkema
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is it only the ATA that has to be T.38 compatible or does Asterisk
 have to work with T.38 also?  Does Asterisk support T.38?
 Asterisk must have T38 support in order to recognize the signaling.
 No it doesn't at this time. 

We're working on Fax as well and if I'm not mistaken, there is a mode 
where Asterisk doesn't have to know very much about T.38 to make it 
work.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-25 Thread Steve Underwood
What all the world's FAX problems? Even FAX spam? :-)
If you understand what T.38 is you will understand which problems it 
addresses (summary: it is important for solving some problems, but 
nothing solves them all). Most people who post about T.38 don't actually 
have much of a clue about it.

Regards,
Steve
Brian M. Arlinghaus wrote:
So... If Asterisk did support T.38, would that solve the world's fax 
problems?

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Asterisk must have T38 support in order to recognize the signaling.
No it doesn't at this time.
-Matthew
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Is it only the ATA that has to be T.38 compatible or does Asterisk 
have to
work with T.38 also?  Does Asterisk support T.38?

Brian
- Original Message - From: James H. Thompson
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38
Sipura 2100 is supposed to implement T.38 real-soon-now.
I've got a Multi-tech ATA with T.38 support on order on the theory that
Multitech has been making well regarded FAX modems for years and might
know
how to actually do FAX reasonably well.
Jim
James H. Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message - From: Steve Underwood
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 5:24 AM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38
Hi,
I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem getting boxes that work
with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now claim to support
T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box here that just
crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)
I'm looking for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and which 
really
work in the real world.

Regards,
Steve

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-25 Thread Steve Underwood
Andreas Sikkema wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Is it only the ATA that has to be T.38 compatible or does Asterisk
have to work with T.38 also?  Does Asterisk support T.38?
 

Asterisk must have T38 support in order to recognize the signaling.
No it doesn't at this time. 
   

We're working on Fax as well and if I'm not mistaken, there is a mode 
where Asterisk doesn't have to know very much about T.38 to make it 
work.
 

For T.38 passthrough between RTP channels it doesn't need to know a 
great deal. There are some pitfalls, though, due to dumbness in the T.38 
spec.

Are you actually working on this?
Regards,
Steve
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-25 Thread Andreas Sikkema
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For T.38 passthrough between RTP channels it doesn't need to know a
 great deal. There are some pitfalls, though, due to dumbness
 in the T.38
 spec.
 
 Are you actually working on this?

Yes, well, with a lot of other things, so progress is erratic. I've 
got to solve some other problems first, but Asterisk T.38 pass 
through is the next major issue.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-25 Thread Mark Eissler
On Feb 25, 2005, at 7:55 AM, Steve Underwood wrote:
If you understand what T.38 is you will understand which problems it 
addresses (summary: it is important for solving some problems, but 
nothing solves them all). Most people who post about T.38 don't 
actually have much of a clue about it.
I think the biggest hurdle still for T.38 is lost packets and timing 
issues. In other words, the realtime-ness (?) of it is a huge problem. 
IMHO the whole thing's a bust until we all get QoS across the public 
network. And let's face it, if you have a private IP network with QoS 
you really don't need T.38. So I'm a bit lost as to how T.38 is really 
a solution to much of anything at this point yet the hype would have 
one conclude otherwise.

As for Asterisk not having to know much about T.38...well, that's only 
true if the only support that will be available (on the Asterisk end) 
is via an analog adapter that supports T.38. If you want to hookup a 
fax machine to a port on a channel bank or a zap card then you're going 
to be out of luck unless the zaptel driver supports T.38.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-24 Thread Brian M. Arlinghaus
Is it only the ATA that has to be T.38 compatible or does Asterisk have to 
work with T.38 also?  Does Asterisk support T.38?

Brian
- Original Message - 
From: James H. Thompson
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

Sipura 2100 is supposed to implement T.38 real-soon-now.
I've got a Multi-tech ATA with T.38 support on order on the theory that 
Multitech has been making well regarded FAX modems for years and might know 
how to actually do FAX reasonably well.

Jim
James H. Thompson
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- Original Message - 
From: Steve Underwood
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 5:24 AM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

Hi,
I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem getting boxes that work
with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now claim to support
T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box here that just
crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)
I'm looking for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and which really
work in the real world.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-24 Thread Matthew Boehm
Asterisk must have T38 support in order to recognize the signaling.
No it doesn't at this time.

-Matthew


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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38


 Is it only the ATA that has to be T.38 compatible or does Asterisk have to
 work with T.38 also?  Does Asterisk support T.38?

 Brian

 - Original Message - 
 From: James H. Thompson
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38


 Sipura 2100 is supposed to implement T.38 real-soon-now.

 I've got a Multi-tech ATA with T.38 support on order on the theory that
 Multitech has been making well regarded FAX modems for years and might
know
 how to actually do FAX reasonably well.


 Jim

 James H. Thompson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 - Original Message - 
 From: Steve Underwood
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 5:24 AM
 Subject: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38


 Hi,

 I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem getting boxes that work
 with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now claim to support
 T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box here that just
 crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)

 I'm looking for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and which really
 work in the real world.

 Regards,
 Steve

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-24 Thread Brian M. Arlinghaus
So... If Asterisk did support T.38, would that solve the world's fax 
problems?

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Asterisk must have T38 support in order to recognize the signaling.
No it doesn't at this time.
-Matthew
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Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38


Is it only the ATA that has to be T.38 compatible or does Asterisk have 
to
work with T.38 also?  Does Asterisk support T.38?

Brian
- Original Message - 
From: James H. Thompson
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

Sipura 2100 is supposed to implement T.38 real-soon-now.
I've got a Multi-tech ATA with T.38 support on order on the theory that
Multitech has been making well regarded FAX modems for years and might
know
how to actually do FAX reasonably well.
Jim
James H. Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message - 
From: Steve Underwood
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 5:24 AM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

Hi,
I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem getting boxes that work
with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now claim to support
T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box here that just
crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)
I'm looking for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and which really
work in the real world.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-24 Thread Mark Eissler
On Feb 24, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Brian M. Arlinghaus wrote:
So... If Asterisk did support T.38, would that solve the world's fax 
problems?


No, because T.38 must be handled all the way through, up until the 
final gateway that will take the T.38 session and convert it back into 
POTS. The world doesn't really have a fax problem per se. Fax was 
developed for analog lines. What the world needs is fax machines that 
are completely IP-based and only fall back to using a gateway when 
connecting to POTS-based fax machines.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-18 Thread James H. Thompson



Sipura 2100 is supposed to implement T.38 
real-soon-now.

I've got a Multi-tech ATA withT.38 supporton order 
on the theory that Multitech has been making well regarded FAX modems for years 
and might know how to actually do FAX reasonably well.


Jim

James H. Thompson[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  Underwood 
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  Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 5:24 
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  Subject: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that 
  actually work with T.38
  Hi,I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem 
  getting boxes that work with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now 
  claim to support T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box 
  here that just crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)I'm looking 
  for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and which really work in the 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-16 Thread Mark Eissler
On Feb 15, 2005, at 2:32 PM, Matthew Boehm wrote:
Stop. The PAP2-NA's have no T38 support. Next time, lets try and read 
the
OP's message before responding.

-Matthew
Hah! With over 2-- or 300 messages per day we're supposed to read 
everything in them? I find it easier just to respond to multiple posts 
in long response anyhow! ;-)

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-15 Thread Mark Eissler
On Feb 14, 2005, at 5:27 PM, Cory Andrews wrote:
There is just a form that needs to be completed, which we forward on 
to Linksys and they approve or deny the application based upon the 
background of the applicant.  Have had very few applications rejected, 
pretty straightforward process.

I don't get it. My assumption is that by background you mean the 
applicant turns out to be a VOIP provider as opposed to say a lot of 
people on this list that would be interested in buying one of these 
devices but can't because they're really just end users.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-15 Thread Steve Underwood
Mark Eissler wrote:
On Feb 14, 2005, at 5:27 PM, Cory Andrews wrote:
There is just a form that needs to be completed, which we forward on 
to Linksys and they approve or deny the application based upon the 
background of the applicant.  Have had very few applications 
rejected, pretty straightforward process.

I don't get it. My assumption is that by background you mean the 
applicant turns out to be a VOIP provider as opposed to say a lot of 
people on this list that would be interested in buying one of these 
devices but can't because they're really just end users.
Nah. The people who can't get approval are reprobates like, drunks, 
hobos and an CEOs of large corporations. They are just eager to ensure a 
better class of customer. :-)

Regards,
Steve
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-15 Thread Matthew Boehm
Stop. The PAP2-NA's have no T38 support. Next time, lets try and read the
OP's message before responding.

-Matthew

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 No, the PAP2's are. The PAP2-NA is for any provider.



 Gary

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  Hi Gary,
 
  Aren't those all tied to service providers now?
 
  Regards,
  Steve
 
 
  Gary Carr wrote:
 
  We use the PAP-2NA with fax machines and have not had any problems.
 
  Gary
 
  Hi,
 
  I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem getting boxes that work
  with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now claim to support
  T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box here that
just
  crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)
 
  I'm looking for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and which
really
  work in the real world.
 
  Regards,
  Steve
 
 
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[Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-14 Thread Steve Underwood
Hi,
I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem getting boxes that work 
with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now claim to support 
T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box here that just 
crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)

I'm looking for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and which really 
work in the real world.

Regards,
Steve
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-14 Thread Steve Underwood
Hi Gary,
Aren't those all tied to service providers now?
Regards,
Steve
Gary Carr wrote:
We use the PAP-2NA with fax machines and have not had any problems.
Gary
Hi,
I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem getting boxes that work 
with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now claim to support 
T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box here that 
just crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)

I'm looking for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and which 
really work in the real world.

Regards,
Steve

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-14 Thread Gary Carr
No, the PAP2's are. The PAP2-NA is for any provider.

Gary
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Hi Gary,
Aren't those all tied to service providers now?
Regards,
Steve
Gary Carr wrote:
We use the PAP-2NA with fax machines and have not had any problems.
Gary
Hi,
I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem getting boxes that work 
with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now claim to support 
T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box here that just 
crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)

I'm looking for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and which really 
work in the real world.

Regards,
Steve

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-14 Thread paul
Quoting Gary Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

You might want to tell that to these guys:

http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=317

regards,

Paul



 No, the PAP2's are. The PAP2-NA is for any provider.
 
 
 
 Gary
 
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  Hi Gary,
 
  Aren't those all tied to service providers now?
 
  Regards,
  Steve
 
 
  Gary Carr wrote:
 
  We use the PAP-2NA with fax machines and have not had any problems.
 
  Gary
 
  Hi,
 
  I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem getting boxes that work 
  with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now claim to support 
  T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box here that just
 
  crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)
 
  I'm looking for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and which really
 
  work in the real world.
 
  Regards,
  Steve
 
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-14 Thread Gary Carr
That site is correct. You have to be authorized by Linksys to order the 
product from a distributor but they will work with any VoIP service. We use 
them with our * service.


Gary

Quoting Gary Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
You might want to tell that to these guys:
http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=317
regards,
Paul

No, the PAP2's are. The PAP2-NA is for any provider.

Gary
- Original Message - 
From: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

 Hi Gary,

 Aren't those all tied to service providers now?

 Regards,
 Steve


 Gary Carr wrote:

 We use the PAP-2NA with fax machines and have not had any problems.

 Gary

 Hi,

 I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem getting boxes that work
 with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now claim to support
 T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box here that 
 just

 crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)

 I'm looking for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and which 
 really

 work in the real world.

 Regards,
 Steve


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

2005-02-14 Thread Cory Andrews
Regarding the Linksys PAP2-NA, as stated on our site:
   This product is ONLY available to qualified service providers who
   sign an authorization agreement with Linksys and will NOT be sold to
   end-users. Please contact our sales department to discuss the
   purchase of this product. Call 1-800-398-VOIP to speak with a
   representative.
   IF YOU ARE NOT A SERVICE PROVIDER, DO NOT ORDER THIS PRODUCT AS YOUR
   ORDER WILL BE CANCELLED.
There is just a form that needs to be completed, which we forward on to 
Linksys and they approve or deny the application based upon the 
background of the applicant.  Have had very few applications rejected, 
pretty straightforward process.

Cory Andrews
Senior Partner
VOIPSupply.com
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V: 800.398.VOIP X22
F: 716.630.1548
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Gary Carr wrote:
That site is correct. You have to be authorized by Linksys to order 
the product from a distributor but they will work with any VoIP 
service. We use them with our * service.


Gary

Quoting Gary Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
You might want to tell that to these guys:
http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=317
regards,
Paul

No, the PAP2's are. The PAP2-NA is for any provider.

Gary
- Original Message - From: Steve Underwood 
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Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ATA that actually work with T.38

 Hi Gary,

 Aren't those all tied to service providers now?

 Regards,
 Steve


 Gary Carr wrote:

 We use the PAP-2NA with fax machines and have not had any problems.

 Gary

 Hi,

 I am implementing T.38, and finding a problem getting boxes that 
work
 with T.38 for testing. A lot (maybe most) ATAs now claim to support
 T.38, but I'm finding a lot of these lie. I have one box here 
that  just

 crashes when it hears a fax tone. :-)

 I'm looking for boxes known to implement T.38 properly, and 
which  really

 work in the real world.

 Regards,
 Steve


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