Re: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification - Ordained Ministers, oh my!
Awesome now i'm a minister! On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:45:51 -0600, Kristian Kielhofner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Lopez wrote: Agreed, You have a strong point about the Monopoly aspect of the whole thing. My .02 would be to have this be a Digium product. Heck, Mark DID invent the thing and HE holds the copyright to it. I have faith in Mark and what he can do when he gets back from France. When I taught Sun and SCO classes (flame throwers down, please) it was SCO corporate that provided the Certification, albeit outsourced but it was from the same people that put out the OS. In order to be an instructor you needed to have taken the course or have 'tested out' and had to have a score above 90 on your exam. (70 was passing). This allows the certification program to grow as your instructors know the course material and will be able to teach students with real world situations. You would purchase the course materials at a 60% discount. For the 40% they would handle certs, and testing at Sylvan. I think that it is pretty obvious that this is a joke, aside from the striking similarity to internet minister, the payment buttons go no where, they POINT OUT that the funds go to the Caymen's, etc. Check this out: http://www.ulc.org/ Most of my friends have ordained themselves after some long nights of partying or whatnot. The site claims to have ordained over 400,000 people. If I am not mistaken you even get a certificate that you can print out so you can park in clergy spots at hospitals, etc... Let's get back to Asterisk chatter! (After you all ordain yourselves, of course)! -- Kristian Kielhofner ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
Alternate Certification For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm Asterisk is a good product. Some people need certification. A mature product needs certified professionals. Asterisk is maturing. Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got the white lab coat. There is a place for cetification. It helps all of us, even those who never become certified. -- James Taylor 3505 Summerhll Road Suite 11 Texarkana, Texas 75503 903-793-1956 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
How much time did you waste on that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification Alternate Certification For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm Asterisk is a good product. Some people need certification. A mature product needs certified professionals. Asterisk is maturing. Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got the white lab coat. There is a place for cetification. It helps all of us, even those who never become certified. -- James Taylor 3505 Summerhll Road Suite 11 Texarkana, Texas 75503 903-793-1956 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
I'm sure it took several hours, but, hey, he only has to sell one to get his money back (: Bruce Komito High Sierra Networks, Inc. www.servers-r-us.com (775) 236-5815 On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Luke Catranis wrote: How much time did you waste on that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification Alternate Certification For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm Asterisk is a good product. Some people need certification. A mature product needs certified professionals. Asterisk is maturing. Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got the white lab coat. There is a place for cetification. It helps all of us, even those who never become certified. -- James Taylor 3505 Summerhll Road Suite 11 Texarkana, Texas 75503 903-793-1956 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This message has been categorized as Legitimate by Bayesian Analyzer. If you do not agree, please click on the link below to train the Analyzer. http://nospam.wpti.net/bt/a.aspx?M=C:%5Csmtpmail%5CBayesTraining%5C2004-12-22%5C3a0f4f41805f4aa297eb4dbf29c2b394C=2 -- --- This message has been inspected by DynaComm i:mail --- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
The place it has for me is that my work is hesitant to pay for additional training if there's nothing to show for it, like a certification. They can't tell if I go to a $2000 training course and just goof off, there's no tangible goods that they can see. If I got them to shell out $3000 for my training, and I get the certification, then the powers that be will feel better about themselves and justified in spending the money. As far as I'm concerned, if it convinces them to pay to make me a better/smarter person, then I'm all for it. However, if I had to pay for it myself, I'd only consider it if it was truly worth it. I don't want to waste hours on how to setup and install linux and how to create user accounts in sip.conf and iax.conf and how to make an extension call a phone, I can do that in my sleep, I want to learn about the most advanced features in Asterisk, some of those little commands that people tend to forget about in the day to day configuration. And I would want to learn some very neat tips and tricks and such. If it offered that, then I'd scrounge up the $3000. Especially if it lands me a $50,000/yr+ Job. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification Alternate Certification For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm Asterisk is a good product. Some people need certification. A mature product needs certified professionals. Asterisk is maturing. Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got the white lab coat. There is a place for cetification. It helps all of us, even those who never become certified. -- James Taylor 3505 Summerhll Road Suite 11 Texarkana, Texas 75503 903-793-1956 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
No disrespect here but... YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME!!! This is a joke right? I has to be. :P bkw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification Alternate Certification For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm Asterisk is a good product. Some people need certification. A mature product needs certified professionals. Asterisk is maturing. Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got the white lab coat. There is a place for cetification. It helps all of us, even those who never become certified. -- James Taylor 3505 Summerhll Road Suite 11 Texarkana, Texas 75503 903-793-1956 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification Alternate Certification For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm Asterisk is a good product. Some people need certification. A mature product needs certified professionals. Asterisk is maturing. Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got the white lab coat. There is a place for cetification. It helps all of us, even those who never become certified. Yeah, it worked wonders for Microsoft. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
Once you've been ordained, do you have to wear black robes and a white collar while working on Asterisk? :-) Steve Brian West wrote: No disrespect here but... YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME!!! This is a joke right? I has to be. :P bkw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification Alternate Certification For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm Asterisk is a good product. Some people need certification. A mature product needs certified professionals. Asterisk is maturing. Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got the white lab coat. There is a place for cetification. It helps all of us, even those who never become certified. -- James Taylor 3505 Summerhll Road Suite 11 Texarkana, Texas 75503 903-793-1956 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
But wait, that's not all! I, too, have a laser printer! If you send me $50, I'll fire you off a certificate too! You can be a Certified Asterisk Certification Certificate Buyer! Enough. It is what it is. Don't like it? Don't pay for it. Think it's a joke? Sure, but it's the same sick joke visited upon us time and time again by the illustrious HR and Vendor Services departments of corporate America. Let's take this to another list (perhaps [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) ) and get on with fixing our little Asterisk problems. Clint On Dec 22, 2004, at 10:53 AM, Brian West wrote: No disrespect here but... YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME!!! This is a joke right? I has to be. :P For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
Hello Guys, I think this is not bad (Certification) While is a real certification like Cisco , Novell, etc. how many of us have a cisco certification or even Micro-$hit. In my point of vew this 3K buck are well spended if I want to have the skills quick to put hand-on. and as per Brian comment , not just a simple config. just think about how much you guys charge per hour, and how many hours you all ready spend in learning, those 3000 bucks are really a joke. I think those certified guys need to place the training agenda in the Commercial posrt. I really like tho se certifications (Y) Regards HA On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:53:47 -0600, Brian West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No disrespect here but... YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME!!! This is a joke right? I has to be. :P bkw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification Alternate Certification For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm Asterisk is a good product. Some people need certification. A mature product needs certified professionals. Asterisk is maturing. Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got the white lab coat. There is a place for cetification. It helps all of us, even those who never become certified. -- James Taylor 3505 Summerhll Road Suite 11 Texarkana, Texas 75503 903-793-1956 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
What started out as a good thing for the community has veared it ugly head and will come back to bite us in the ass. I give my respect to the two companies that decided to put themselves 'out there' and attempted to bring 'real world' certifications of knowledge in an area that is unregulated, open, and currently has no measurement of how much one person has over another. What makes me different than the person next door selling the same solution. We both have access to the hardware, software and newsgroups. What is there to tell the customer that _I_ am better suited to solve the customers' problem or implement a solution that will work?? Nothing! We are faced with a growing install base and many who put together systems are doing it for the first time. Sure any customers will get fed up with Asterisk and vie never to use it again. Others, like many customers' that I have found like it but need a someone with expertise to help them through the tough configs. Will Asterisk certification help me, depends. My strength not only lie in the configuration and modification of Asterisk but in the whole telecom and networking expeiriance that I have. This is new stuff, you must know about MTU, E1, T1, PRI, FXO, FXS, TCP, UDP, Linux, Iptables, http, Nat, etc. Tell me why you can still talk to someone clearly, but are not able to use a modem past 2400 baud at a hotel, and you'll understand codecs and how they interoperate. We conserned ourselves with being 'left out' of a certification that may not actually reflect what we know is needed to do what we do. I have never or probably never hired someing because of certifications alone. You got um, good! Go fix the problem, that was not covered in 'the book'!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Voip Business Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:41 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification Hello Guys, I think this is not bad (Certification) While is a real certification like Cisco , Novell, etc. how many of us have a cisco certification or even Micro-$hit. In my point of vew this 3K buck are well spended if I want to have the skills quick to put hand-on. and as per Brian comment , not just a simple config. just think about how much you guys charge per hour, and how many hours you all ready spend in learning, those 3000 bucks are really a joke. I think those certified guys need to place the training agenda in the Commercial posrt. I really like tho se certifications (Y) Regards HA On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:53:47 -0600, Brian West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No disrespect here but... YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME!!! This is a joke right? I has to be. :P bkw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification Alternate Certification For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm Asterisk is a good product. Some people need certification. A mature product needs certified professionals. Asterisk is maturing. Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got the white lab coat. There is a place for cetification. It helps all of us, even those who never become certified. -- James Taylor 3505 Summerhll Road Suite 11 Texarkana, Texas 75503 903-793-1956 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
What started out as a good thing for the community has veared it ugly head and will come back to bite us in the ass. I give my respect to the two companies that decided to put themselves 'out there' and attempted to bring 'real world' certifications of knowledge in an area that is unregulated, open, and currently has no measurement of how much one person has over another. I never said this was a bad idea... And I'm not against it at all if people wish to pay for it that's fine. I don't however feel that Steve and the boys should have a monopoly on it. From what I was told you'll have to go to Steve and the boys to buy a franchise to become a trainer and pay ... and you think $3,275 USD was a lot... just think what they would charge to become a dCap trainer?!?!?!? That's one problem with this... ANY company should be able to signup to become dCap trainers. The way the whole thing was presented was what the problem was... things were left out and over looked that's what I had the most problem with. Now to be honest if you were going to pay the 3k for the course you should walk out with a something like a Dell 420SC and a T1 card for that price. I feel that would be the only way to really make it balance at that price. bkw ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
Man, this is sick! :-))) Isn't there a law against unclearly-marked jokes (except on April 1st, of course)? Some people could even take you seriously! :-)) Most relevant points in the web page: Starting a telephone company or consulting business is easy. We authorize you to perform all Asterisk services including the rites of Interconnection and Arbitration. You will also be authorized to put the “*” symbol after your name – much like: “PHD, MD, DDS, CLU, ETC.” Just picture your business card: John Smith * this in itself gives you the chance to earn extra money to support your Asterisk habit and family Save 50% send CASH or Postal Money Order to our office in the Cayman Islands I'm rolling on the floor here :- Regards, Telmo. On Sun Aug 22 7:24 , 'James Taylor' [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Alternate Certification For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm Asterisk is a good product. Some people need certification. A mature product needs certified professionals. Asterisk is maturing. Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got the white lab coat. There is a place for cetification. It helps all of us, even those who never become certified. -- James Taylor 3505 Summerhll Road Suite 11 Texarkana, Texas 75503 903-793-1956 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users SeeqMail - the only email you'll ever need Starts Here Sign up for FREE personalized email today: http://www.seeqmail.com http://www.Grassroots.org/ - Make Change! ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification? -- This time we might just Unionize
I, being one of the original Microsoft Certified guys, back then you sent them $150 and you got the certificate and some logos (think 1980's certification.) In 1996 I was told by the company I was working for the certification was needed if I was to keep my current salary. What I saw was morons who had time to study for the tests, because they could not code anyway, pass the test and get certified and allowed to keep their pay grade. I took two tests, got my pin and left for a better job with more money. Certification works to show that the person can pass a test, not that they can do anything in the real world. Corporate America likes certifications as it provides them with a comfort level and a box that can be checked off. I have never hired a person based on being certified, I can tell if they can do the job or not by interviewing them. Real programmers just get things done anyway. Would you really want to work at a place that required any kind of certification? I agree that Digium class for $3000 are a good thing, they help people come up to speed and help stop the confusion in the beginning. If customer are asking for it then they should be allowed to buy it. Certification stinks in the real world. In the world of corporations it is necessary evil and part of the game when you sell to the corporations. Lets unionize all the programmers in the world so we can set rates and standards and get the respect we deserve. Oh yeah, I forgot, Unionizing programmers won't work for the same reason women make only 70% of the wages men do. A woman will always undercut another woman to get the job instead teaming together and holding out for better wages. As the subcontinent programmers under cut the US programmers, but in the end you get what you pay for in America. Race The Tyrant Vanderdecken In the Land of the Blind, the One-eyed man is Elvis ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man, this is sick! :-))) Isn't there a law against unclearly-marked jokes (except on April 1st, of course)? Some people could even take you seriously! :-)) I'm rolling on the floor here :- Regards, Telmo. Then I guess you haven't seen this one: http://www.j-walk.com/other/conf/ Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
I agree.. No certs needed. I know * better than probably all of your students combined dude.. I agree with BKW.. .o---o. Brian Fertig Network Engineer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian West Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:54 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification No disrespect here but... YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME!!! This is a joke right? I has to be. :P bkw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification Alternate Certification For those of you who can't (or won't) shell-out the $3000+ for the 5 day certification class, here's a quicker way AND IT'S HALF THE MONEY! www.metrotel.net/asterisk.htm Asterisk is a good product. Some people need certification. A mature product needs certified professionals. Asterisk is maturing. Remember the Certified Novell Engineers? There a a lot of people that know everything about Novell who never got the white lab coat. There is a place for cetification. It helps all of us, even those who never become certified. -- James Taylor 3505 Summerhll Road Suite 11 Texarkana, Texas 75503 903-793-1956 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
Agreed, You have a strong point about the Monopoly aspect of the whole thing. My .02 would be to have this be a Digium product. Heck, Mark DID invent the thing and HE holds the copyright to it. I have faith in Mark and what he can do when he gets back from France. When I taught Sun and SCO classes (flame throwers down, please) it was SCO corporate that provided the Certification, albeit outsourced but it was from the same people that put out the OS. In order to be an instructor you needed to have taken the course or have 'tested out' and had to have a score above 90 on your exam. (70 was passing). This allows the certification program to grow as your instructors know the course material and will be able to teach students with real world situations. You would purchase the course materials at a 60% discount. For the 40% they would handle certs, and testing at Sylvan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian West Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:48 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification What started out as a good thing for the community has veared it ugly head and will come back to bite us in the ass. I give my respect to the two companies that decided to put themselves 'out there' and attempted to bring 'real world' certifications of knowledge in an area that is unregulated, open, and currently has no measurement of how much one person has over another. I never said this was a bad idea... And I'm not against it at all if people wish to pay for it that's fine. I don't however feel that Steve and the boys should have a monopoly on it. From what I was told you'll have to go to Steve and the boys to buy a franchise to become a trainer and pay ... and you think $3,275 USD was a lot... just think what they would charge to become a dCap trainer?!?!?!? That's one problem with this... ANY company should be able to signup to become dCap trainers. The way the whole thing was presented was what the problem was... things were left out and over looked that's what I had the most problem with. Now to be honest if you were going to pay the 3k for the course you should walk out with a something like a Dell 420SC and a T1 card for that price. I feel that would be the only way to really make it balance at that price. bkw ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification - Ordained Ministers, oh my!
Alexander Lopez wrote: Agreed, You have a strong point about the Monopoly aspect of the whole thing. My .02 would be to have this be a Digium product. Heck, Mark DID invent the thing and HE holds the copyright to it. I have faith in Mark and what he can do when he gets back from France. When I taught Sun and SCO classes (flame throwers down, please) it was SCO corporate that provided the Certification, albeit outsourced but it was from the same people that put out the OS. In order to be an instructor you needed to have taken the course or have 'tested out' and had to have a score above 90 on your exam. (70 was passing). This allows the certification program to grow as your instructors know the course material and will be able to teach students with real world situations. You would purchase the course materials at a 60% discount. For the 40% they would handle certs, and testing at Sylvan. I think that it is pretty obvious that this is a joke, aside from the striking similarity to internet minister, the payment buttons go no where, they POINT OUT that the funds go to the Caymen's, etc. Check this out: http://www.ulc.org/ Most of my friends have ordained themselves after some long nights of partying or whatnot. The site claims to have ordained over 400,000 people. If I am not mistaken you even get a certificate that you can print out so you can park in clergy spots at hospitals, etc... Let's get back to Asterisk chatter! (After you all ordain yourselves, of course)! -- Kristian Kielhofner ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification
Guys I think I DONT GET THE POINT ,, or all of us didnt get the point. there is too much diference between Certified training and learning course of asterisk. and Course to be certified in asterisk. yes I also know order of factors do not afect the result :) to the guys of metrotel,, to avoid this kinda topics can you place a Index or agenda , so all of usundestandwhat you really mean. regards HA On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:17:50 -0500, Alexander Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, You have a strong point about the Monopoly aspect of the whole thing. My .02 would be to have this be a Digium product. Heck, Mark DID invent the thing and HE holds the copyright to it. I have faith in Mark and what he can do when he gets back from France. When I taught Sun and SCO classes (flame throwers down, please) it was SCO corporate that provided the Certification, albeit outsourced but it was from the same people that put out the OS. In order to be an instructor you needed to have taken the course or have 'tested out' and had to have a score above 90 on your exam. (70 was passing). This allows the certification program to grow as your instructors know the course material and will be able to teach students with real world situations. You would purchase the course materials at a 60% discount. For the 40% they would handle certs, and testing at Sylvan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian West Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:48 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification What started out as a good thing for the community has veared it ugly head and will come back to bite us in the ass. I give my respect to the two companies that decided to put themselves 'out there' and attempted to bring 'real world' certifications of knowledge in an area that is unregulated, open, and currently has no measurement of how much one person has over another. I never said this was a bad idea... And I'm not against it at all if people wish to pay for it that's fine. I don't however feel that Steve and the boys should have a monopoly on it. From what I was told you'll have to go to Steve and the boys to buy a franchise to become a trainer and pay ... and you think $3,275 USD was a lot... just think what they would charge to become a dCap trainer?!?!?!? That's one problem with this... ANY company should be able to signup to become dCap trainers. The way the whole thing was presented was what the problem was... things were left out and over looked that's what I had the most problem with. Now to be honest if you were going to pay the 3k for the course you should walk out with a something like a Dell 420SC and a T1 card for that price. I feel that would be the only way to really make it balance at that price. bkw ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Another Asterisk Certification (couldn't be a bad thing)
Well give oej and steve some time here ... the project sure couldn't hurt from more enterprise funding... lets just hope some of that makes it way back to the root of the project. Also I was quick to judge their intentions and I shouldn't have been... so guys lets give them some support and see what happens. Oej and Steve I'm sorry for the rush judgment. bkw ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
