RE: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
Why not create a listing of the Asterisk resellers. Have a link off the main Digium page and post what asterisk services that particular reseller offers. This way people who are just getting into asterisk know where they can go for commercial support. Maybe the reseller could offer some sort of discounted rate for people who are referred to them through digium? This would boost sales for Digium big time because people like things that work right away and if they have the resources to quickly launch their Asterisk solution they will be motivated to invest in more hardware IMHO. Edwin Silva WW Works Inc. 3060 Mainway Dr. Unit 104 Burlington, ON L7M 1A3 -Original Message- From: Mark Spencer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again) I am not sure a newbies list would help all that much, all that would happen is that they would cross post to both lists and we would get everything twice.. What may be better would be either a better way to search the list archive or a new users FAQ, of course the FAQ option requires that someone maintain it which is also a problem.. You know, it strikes me that the best group to service newbies is probably the resellers. Maybe there's a logical way to connect them together through a mailing list? Mark ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
That's a good idea. There is already a resellers list on the Digium site, but perhaps a line or two about specialities could be added. Cheers Scott Scott M. Stingel Emerging Voice Technology Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:www.evtmedia.com http://www.evtmedia.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edwin Silva Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again) Why not create a listing of the Asterisk resellers. Have a link off the main Digium page and post what asterisk services that particular reseller offers. This way people who are just getting into asterisk know where they can go for commercial support. Maybe the reseller could offer some sort of discounted rate for people who are referred to them through digium? This would boost sales for Digium big time because people like things that work right away and if they have the resources to quickly launch their Asterisk solution they will be motivated to invest in more hardware IMHO. Edwin Silva WW Works Inc. 3060 Mainway Dr. Unit 104 Burlington, ON L7M 1A3 -Original Message- From: Mark Spencer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again) I am not sure a newbies list would help all that much, all that would happen is that they would cross post to both lists and we would get everything twice.. What may be better would be either a better way to search the list archive or a new users FAQ, of course the FAQ option requires that someone maintain it which is also a problem.. You know, it strikes me that the best group to service newbies is probably the resellers. Maybe there's a logical way to connect them together through a mailing list? Mark ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
unsubscribe Robert G. Werner wrote: The problem with -newbies (or even some PC name for it) is that people won't use it. Rarely do people self select themselves as more ignorant than they really are. I'm afraid the noob problem just can't be resolved with any structural changes. Personally, I don't try to read the whole output of any list. I look for subjects that are interesting and then liberally use the delete all option of my mail reader. I don't have any good suggestions for other lists/names, though so ... I guess ignore this. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
i believe the more accepted term is 'basics' as in asterisk-basics Grzegorz Nosek wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:54:15 -, Linus Surguy wrote So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) Maybe asterisk-install ? asterisk-starters ? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. There probably is a justification for a new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the -newbies. Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical details of what Asterisk is capable of doing. I propose Asterisk-intro where people new to Asterisk can ask questions in an open manner and people with experience jump in when they have time to answer, guide and help. A list with open attitude and guidance. There's enough of us that from time to time have time :-) to assist, but at some times want to concentrate on a higher-level discussion, helping each other on a professional level with Asterisk. /O ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:54:15 -, Linus Surguy wrote So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) Maybe asterisk-install ? asterisk-starters ? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again
Mark Spencer wrote: Why don't we just add it on the DIgium list server, wouldn't that make more sense, to have a single place for all list memberships? Yes, please. Doing that makes it easier to find it. /Olle ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
Amen! While -dev and -users may be a little too sparse, perhaps adding a -business list would be beneficial for discussing those types of issues. However business-related issues are not so common at this point, so perhaps a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would be relevant? I agree that list fragmentation is a royal pain in the ass, but perhaps it is time to figure out just one more list to try and whittle down the traffic on -users. So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz Any others as well? If we were to add another list, I *believe* we could automatically subscribe everyone in -users to -whatever to help seed it a bit. The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. There probably is a justification for a new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the -newbies. Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical details of what Asterisk is capable of doing. Thoughts? Mark ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
Would a -softphone and -hardphone be too granular? Sometimes I just don't have the energy to sift through hundreds of messages... Of course, the danger becomes making it too granular and losing out on people who can help. I like the helpful nature of most of this list. I want to thank everyone who puts in the time to assist their friends. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Spencer Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again) Amen! While -dev and -users may be a little too sparse, perhaps adding a -business list would be beneficial for discussing those types of issues. However business-related issues are not so common at this point, so perhaps a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would be relevant? I agree that list fragmentation is a royal pain in the ass, but perhaps it is time to figure out just one more list to try and whittle down the traffic on -users. So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz Any others as well? If we were to add another list, I *believe* we could automatically subscribe everyone in -users to -whatever to help seed it a bit. The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. There probably is a justification for a new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the -newbies. Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical details of what Asterisk is capable of doing. Thoughts? Mark ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) Maybe asterisk-install ? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
Mark Spencer wrote: Amen! While -dev and -users may be a little too sparse, perhaps adding a -business list would be beneficial for discussing those types of issues. However business-related issues are not so common at this point, so perhaps a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would be relevant? I agree that list fragmentation is a royal pain in the ass, but perhaps it is time to figure out just one more list to try and whittle down the traffic on -users. So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz Any others as well? If we were to add another list, I *believe* we could automatically subscribe everyone in -users to -whatever to help seed it a bit. The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. There probably is a justification for a new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the -newbies. Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical details of what Asterisk is capable of doing. Thoughts? Mark I am not sure a newbies list would help all that much, all that would happen is that they would cross post to both lists and we would get everything twice.. What may be better would be either a better way to search the list archive or a new users FAQ, of course the FAQ option requires that someone maintain it which is also a problem.. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. There probably is a justification for a new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the -newbies. Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical details of what Asterisk is capable of doing. Agreed... biz is just a special class of users, but what would go in nontech... newbies wouldn't get much traffic since nobody wants to really admit they're a newb and moreso they'd get frustrated that the people who really do know wouldn't hang out there. Although I do like -biz on a separate list because you can also see who's offering what, and get help on how to set it up and interop -- think of all the vonage, nuphone, p8, ich and other how do I do this traffic we've seen on -users lately... Ugh. I hate trying to figure things like this out. :-) Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
Mark Spencer wrote: Amen! While -dev and -users may be a little too sparse, perhaps adding a -business list would be beneficial for discussing those types of issues. However business-related issues are not so common at this point, so perhaps a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would be relevant? I agree that list fragmentation is a royal pain in the ass, but perhaps it is time to figure out just one more list to try and whittle down the traffic on -users. So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz Any others as well? If we were to add another list, I *believe* we could automatically subscribe everyone in -users to -whatever to help seed it a bit. asterisk-newbies bad idea, been tried many times, who's going to subscribe to that to try to get answers. It's important the newbies get help from people with the knowhow (if they want to help them). Not just avoided, besides that they'll just join the users list anyway and ask the question again. I'm on a couple high volume list (python/qmail) and I hate to say it but, the best ways I've seen to keep posts down are. 1. A link to guidelines for posting to the list ie. http://www.qcc.ca/~charlesc/writings/12-steps-to-qmail-list-bliss.html Instead of someone coming accross wrong, you send them to a link like the above. 2. Having a couple of guys around that don't mind coming accross a little brash. It's sets the feel for the list and people WILL spend more time researhing it before writing the list. Hell, I've been told many times to RTFM, google it, etc. I guess I'm just not that thin skinned, and because of it, that's what I've learned to try to do first. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again
Forgive my inexperience...but when does a newsgroup, or series of newsgroups become preferable to a list? Michael On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:50:41 +1100, Adam Goryachev wrote: I agree that a nontech list would be fantastic. The only problem I have with multiple lists is where people post the same thing to every list. That is a REAL pain in the ... Regards, Adam However business-related issues are not so common at this point, so perhaps a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would be relevant? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Michael Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sr. Product Specialist www.pixelpower.com Pixel Power Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] FWD 54245 It is dangerous to be correct about matters when the established authories are wrong. - Voltaire ** Tag(s) inserted by Bandit Tagger98 - http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~c918704 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
Hi! So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz Hm... who will answer the newbie questions then? Newbies? Not sure the -biz part will make sense, but I guess it won't hurt much to have it and then see how it develops... Looking at the current traffice on -users it might make more sense to create - asterisk-zaptel - asterisk-sip - asterisk-iax and leave whatever remains to asterisk-users. The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. Indeed, traffic here is just too heavy. I might even subscribe to serveral lists, but decide day-by-day to only read -users and leave the others rest until I have a bit more time at hand. So even if the total traffic doesn't decrease I'd be happy to sort messages into separate folders based upon ML names/tags. Philipp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. There probably is a justification for a new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the -newbies. Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical details of what Asterisk is capable of doing. Agreed... biz is just a special class of users, but what would go in nontech... newbies wouldn't get much traffic since nobody wants to really admit they're a newb and moreso they'd get frustrated that the people who really do know wouldn't hang out there. Although I do like -biz on a separate list because you can also see who's offering what, and get help on how to set it up and interop -- think of all the vonage, nuphone, p8, ich and other how do I do this traffic we've seen on -users lately... Ugh. I hate trying to figure things like this out. :-) Regards, Andrew I have no opinion on the newbies and nontech lists, but I strongly favor a biz list, since I have held off on many occasions from posting I need a provider in X city who can terminate via IAX or I need a set of asterisk-clued hands in X city because I knew that quite a few people (mostly businesspeople) would use the reply-all feature to spam the list with their replies which should be to me personally. I believe these should be digium-sponsored lists, due to the fact that I'd like to keep the focus of the project on Digium's resources, to help drive business into their card and device sales projects. JT ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz Any others as well? If we were to add another list, I *believe* we could automatically subscribe everyone in -users to -whatever to help seed it a bit. The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. There probably is a justification for a new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the -newbies. Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical details of what Asterisk is capable of doing. What's the problem that we're trying to fix? (Fragmenting the lists into more so we don't have to look at one or more lists, or, is it reducing the number of repetitive newbie postings?) The second choice is not going to be impacted by the number of lists available. As stated several times before, additional documentation and sample how-to configs would go A Long Way towards reducing noise levels. In another very popular (but unrelated) list we had the exact same noise-level problem. For that list, the annoyance was primarily Windows users asking questions that Unix folks snubbed. One simple text file was included that spoon fed the steps reducing the noise level to almost nothing. Proving that people do read if something is presented in the proper context. The download-asterisk page has that capability right now. I'd rather see that approach used verses another newbie list or whatever it would be called. I'd even volunteer to submit the page changes necessary. The biz list does have some significant benefits, however. Best guess is that anyone that has a serious commitment to asterisk would subscribe to it, and possibly unsubscribe later if the topics don't fit with their objectives (even if some technical questions are raised there). Rich ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 09:01, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. There probably is a justification for a new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the -newbies. Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical details of what Asterisk is capable of doing. Agreed... biz is just a special class of users, but what would go in nontech... newbies wouldn't get much traffic since nobody wants to really admit they're a newb and moreso they'd get frustrated that the people who really do know wouldn't hang out there. While I seem to be deemed the newbie basher, I have already expressed similar sentiment to Mark once before. I think newbies are better served in -users as there are people here who will answer the question, even if it is to say go look at google. Agreed on what could be discussed on nontech. Business plans? Sourcing parts? Business plans are unlikely as those are usually kept close to the company, and sourcing parts is fine for -users as they need them too. As for -biz, I think it may be best to define what you think should happen there. If it is to make available vendors to clients, I doubt a client would go to a mailing list, but I may be surprised. If it where to organize development of certain features deemed needed by the business community, that could easily be moved to -dev so that the group who wants to get work done could talk to those who may do it from outside your company. Although I do like -biz on a separate list because you can also see who's offering what, and get help on how to set it up and interop -- think of all the vonage, nuphone, p8, ich and other how do I do this traffic we've seen on -users lately... Interop messages are -users messages. Some could say they should possibly be handed up to the providers support channels though. Who is providing what might best be served by a vendors section on the Wiki. Specifically with locations and range a person is willing to do business within. There have been a few questions lately that seem to suggest people are ready to plunk down cash for someone to come set a asterisk box up for them. These _wonderful_ newbies are paying for their answers and the patience of the person who services them. Encourage this behavior by giving these people the resource to find a vendor close by that does this support work. The problem with a list is that it will require searching, or the same question over and over again with minor changes possibly for location. Definitely embrace those willing to pay for service, and make it easy for them to find the person willing to accept the check. Let them also find such service close to their physical address as it makes support more personal and easy to render. Do all this, but don't sacrifice the current communications channels we have in place already. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 09:51, Michael Graves wrote: Forgive my inexperience...but when does a newsgroup, or series of newsgroups become preferable to a list? Not. Mailing lists are better suited for long term archival too(opinion). There has been discussion about this before. Newsgroups are not nearly as friendly to offline usage as mailing lists are. I personally rely on my local archive of the list to do searching almost as often as I turn to google. The only other software package I have dealt with recently that asked you to join a mailing list was VmWare, and it was an extremely clumsy way of searching for a problem. On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:50:41 +1100, Adam Goryachev wrote: I agree that a nontech list would be fantastic. The only problem I have with multiple lists is where people post the same thing to every list. That is a REAL pain in the ... Regards, Adam However business-related issues are not so common at this point, so perhaps a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would be relevant? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Michael Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sr. Product Specialist www.pixelpower.com Pixel Power Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] FWD 54245 It is dangerous to be correct about matters when the established authories are wrong. - Voltaire ** Tag(s) inserted by Bandit Tagger98 - http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~c918704 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again
On Thursday 20 November 2003 09:51, Michael Graves wrote: Forgive my inexperience...but when does a newsgroup, or series of newsgroups become preferable to a list? When hell freezes over or spammers stop spewing on newsgroups, whichever comes first. Seriously, we've had this discussion before. What it comes down to is that newbies want newsgroups and developers don't want to wade through newsgroups. Given that developers control the future of Asterisk, don't expect the newsgroups (or web bulletin boards, as was subsequently suggested) to be monitored by those developers. And BTW, remember to trim footers and post your reply AFTER what was already posted. It's disrespectful to the etiquette of the list (and if you're looking for answers, do you really want to disrespect the people who can answer your question?). -Tilghman ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
On Thursday 20 November 2003 08:53, David Gomillion wrote: Would a -softphone and -hardphone be too granular? Sometimes I just don't have the energy to sift through hundreds of messages... I would applaud such a move, but be sure to note that hardphone refers to VoIP phones, differentiating from Zaptel devices. Not only would I be thankful to reduce the onslaught of Cisco phone related questions, but I'm sure those who use only Cisco phones would be happy to lose the channel bank and TDM400P discussions. So add -pstnphone to that mix. -Tilghman ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
The problem with -newbies (or even some PC name for it) is that people won't use it. Rarely do people self select themselves as more ignorant than they really are. I'm afraid the noob problem just can't be resolved with any structural changes. Personally, I don't try to read the whole output of any list. I look for subjects that are interesting and then liberally use the delete all option of my mail reader. I don't have any good suggestions for other lists/names, though so ... I guess ignore this. -- Robert G. Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] x5204, ICQ #311363925 Correspondence Corollary: An experiment may be considered a success if no more than half your data must be discarded to obtain correspondence with your theory. Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Fresno CA, Mark Spencer, spoke these words: [snip] So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz [snip] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
I agree, seperate digium list is best. Mainly because it will help build business for consultants who could produce growth for Digium. Sincerely, Andy Hester Consero (817)375-1244 (817)937-7977 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Todd Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again) So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. There probably is a justification for a new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the -newbies. Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical details of what Asterisk is capable of doing. Agreed... biz is just a special class of users, but what would go in nontech... newbies wouldn't get much traffic since nobody wants to really admit they're a newb and moreso they'd get frustrated that the people who really do know wouldn't hang out there. Although I do like -biz on a separate list because you can also see who's offering what, and get help on how to set it up and interop -- think of all the vonage, nuphone, p8, ich and other how do I do this traffic we've seen on -users lately... Ugh. I hate trying to figure things like this out. :-) Regards, Andrew I have no opinion on the newbies and nontech lists, but I strongly favor a biz list, since I have held off on many occasions from posting I need a provider in X city who can terminate via IAX or I need a set of asterisk-clued hands in X city because I knew that quite a few people (mostly businesspeople) would use the reply-all feature to spam the list with their replies which should be to me personally. I believe these should be digium-sponsored lists, due to the fact that I'd like to keep the focus of the project on Digium's resources, to help drive business into their card and device sales projects. JT ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
As soon as you have more then one list people will ask What list do I post this to. Many will cross post. One idea is to make up a small example set of questions that should go to each list. You might also name the lists after the questions that are alowed in each. Such as -configuration (how do I make get XXX to work?) -bugs (Is this a bug? is there a workaround?) -biz(Who can sell be a XXX? What to charge my client...) -dev(coders ask coders questions) -general(topics not covered by the above. The why to test if the above is reasonable is to look at a weeks worth of posts and see if each post would go into one of the above. If this catagorization is hard to do that the list of lists I proposed is not right. Some problems with the below: Who would post to a newbies list? Why would anyone want to ask other newbies a question? WHat is non-tech and how is this different fore biz. The idea about putting documentation references on the download page is good. You might even force them to read it by having some kind of click through One other place is in a Makefile. Have it print a message like Asterisk is built. Please see XXX for information of configuration. --- Rich Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz Any others as well? If we were to add another list, I *believe* we could automatically subscribe everyone in -users to -whatever to help seed it a bit. The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. There probably is a justification for a new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the -newbies. Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical details of what Asterisk is capable of doing. What's the problem that we're trying to fix? (Fragmenting the lists into more so we don't have to look at one or more lists, or, is it reducing the number of repetitive newbie postings?) The second choice is not going to be impacted by the number of lists available. As stated several times before, additional documentation and sample how-to configs would go A Long Way towards reducing noise levels. In another very popular (but unrelated) list we had the exact same noise-level problem. For that list, the annoyance was primarily Windows users asking questions that Unix folks snubbed. One simple text file was included that spoon fed the steps reducing the noise level to almost nothing. Proving that people do read if something is presented in the proper context. The download-asterisk page has that capability right now. I'd rather see that approach used verses another newbie list or whatever it would be called. I'd even volunteer to submit the page changes necessary. The biz list does have some significant benefits, however. Best guess is that anyone that has a serious commitment to asterisk would subscribe to it, and possibly unsubscribe later if the topics don't fit with their objectives (even if some technical questions are raised there). Rich ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users = Chris Albertson Home: 310-376-1029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 310-990-7550 Office: 310-336-5189 [EMAIL PROTECTED] KG6OMK __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
Add to the list or lists I proposed one more asterisk-anounce This one would be low volume and would be used mostly by the people at Digium I think but also others you have developed some new feature or fixed a bug or fund a security hole. there would be no discussion on this list. currently anouncements get buried under tons of rubble = Chris Albertson Home: 310-376-1029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 310-990-7550 Office: 310-336-5189 [EMAIL PROTECTED] KG6OMK __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
Looking at the current traffice on -users it might make more sense to create - asterisk-zaptel - asterisk-sip - asterisk-iax and leave whatever remains to asterisk-users. I'd disagree with this -- You'd have a lot of crossposting because people won't know where the problem lies... i.e. a zapsip crosspost when really the problem's the damn phone itself or a networking issue. Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 09:49:10AM -0600, Rich Adamson wrote: What's the problem that we're trying to fix? (Fragmenting the lists into more so we don't have to look at one or more lists, or, is it reducing the number of repetitive newbie postings?) I think it was keeping commercials, advertisements and whatnot out of the technical discussion lists. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 10:57:08AM -0600, Steven Critchfield wrote: While I seem to be deemed the newbie basher, I have already expressed similar sentiment to Mark once before. I think newbies are better served in -users as there are people here who will answer the question, even if it is to say go look at google. I strongly agree. Sending them to their own list looks counterproductive and unfriendly and can only hurt. Agreed on what could be discussed on nontech. Business plans? Sourcing parts? Business plans are unlikely as those are usually kept close to the company, and sourcing parts is fine for -users as they need them too. But I think questions of who can provide service of such-and-such a type in such-and-such a place are noise on the user's list. As I understand it, the -dev list is for people hacking the code. The -users list is for people trying to figure out how to use the code -- i.e. how to configure it, decide what hardware to use, get the drivers working, make use of this or that feature, etc. As for -biz, I think it may be best to define what you think should happen there. If it is to make available vendors to clients, I doubt a client would go to a mailing list, but I may be surprised. If it where When it comes to people buying and selling and advertising products and services, while the information might be useful, it clutters the technical discussion. At this time, when there is rapid deployment of voip stuff, and new pstn interconnect services are becomming available daily in different places, there should be a way to disseminate this information (perhaps on the wiki enen). But it should be in its place, and I do not think that this place is the asterisk-users list. Interop messages are -users messages. Some could say they should possibly be handed up to the providers support channels though. Who is providing what might best be served by a vendors section on the Wiki. Sure, I agree. The separation is between how to I get this to work vs. what do i want and who can i get it from Specifically with locations and range a person is willing to do business within. There have been a few questions lately that seem to suggest people are ready to plunk down cash for someone to come set a asterisk box up for them. These _wonderful_ newbies are paying for their answers and the patience of the person who services them. Encourage this behavior by giving these people the resource to find a vendor close by that does this support work. Yes indeed, that is _the_ way that many of us make our livings with open source software. The problem with a list is that it will require searching, or the same question over and over again with minor changes possibly for location. There is also a Consultants section on the Wiki, why not a VOIP Service Providers section? Cheers, -w ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 12:06, Andy Hester wrote: I agree, seperate digium list is best. Mainly because it will help build business for consultants who could produce growth for Digium. The problem with a list for this type of information is that a new subscriber will not have information in front of them quickly unless people are answering the questions. The information about businesses that support asterisk either through installs or service is for the most part static and better suited to maybe a few pages on the Wiki. After that, most other business related questions could easily be handled here. I admit I may be blind concerning some aspect of discussion you have felt shouldn't take place on this list, or couldn't be addressed by a web page tightly linked with the documentation. If so please enlighten me so we are on the same page. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Todd Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again) So far it seems like the proposed candidates for new lists are: asterisk-newbies (perhaps a better word?) asterisk-nontech asterisk-biz The amount of mail on asterisk-users is more than even *I* can read in a day, and my job is 100% asterisk. There probably is a justification for a new list, but I think it is less the -biz list as much as much as the -newbies. Keeping a business discussion on -users is probably quite useful since often times a business discussion can involve technical details of what Asterisk is capable of doing. Agreed... biz is just a special class of users, but what would go in nontech... newbies wouldn't get much traffic since nobody wants to really admit they're a newb and moreso they'd get frustrated that the people who really do know wouldn't hang out there. Although I do like -biz on a separate list because you can also see who's offering what, and get help on how to set it up and interop -- think of all the vonage, nuphone, p8, ich and other how do I do this traffic we've seen on -users lately... Ugh. I hate trying to figure things like this out. :-) Regards, Andrew I have no opinion on the newbies and nontech lists, but I strongly favor a biz list, since I have held off on many occasions from posting I need a provider in X city who can terminate via IAX or I need a set of asterisk-clued hands in X city because I knew that quite a few people (mostly businesspeople) would use the reply-all feature to spam the list with their replies which should be to me personally. I believe these should be digium-sponsored lists, due to the fact that I'd like to keep the focus of the project on Digium's resources, to help drive business into their card and device sales projects. JT ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 12:43, Chris Albertson wrote: Add to the list or lists I proposed one more asterisk-anounce This one would be low volume and would be used mostly by the people at Digium I think but also others you have developed some new feature or fixed a bug or fund a security hole. there would be no discussion on this list. currently anouncements get buried under tons of rubble There is already one of those. I just noticed though that the archive is not available, and I don't even know if any messages get passed on their at all. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
- Original Message - From: Andy Hester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:06 PM Subject: RE: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again) I agree, seperate digium list is best. Mainly because it will help build business for consultants who could produce growth for Digium. Exactly, The lead developer of this project, Digium, is trying to build a business around this project. Every time someone runs off a Newbie (for whatever reason), they are running off a potential Digium customer. This hurts Digium and, therefore, hurts Asterisk. I am not an Asterisk expert by any means, but I can install and configure the Digium/Asterisk boards and software and can answer a lot of the questions that come through on the users list. I will be happy to sign up for whatever tenderfoot type list that is created and help guide that effort. Sean ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 12:48, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: Looking at the current traffice on -users it might make more sense to create - asterisk-zaptel - asterisk-sip - asterisk-iax and leave whatever remains to asterisk-users. I'd disagree with this -- You'd have a lot of crossposting because people won't know where the problem lies... i.e. a zapsip crosspost when really the problem's the damn phone itself or a networking issue. While I think the cross posting would be a pain, loosing the SIP traffic to me would be great. Not that I don't want to deal with those users, just I have no expertise to lend them, nor an interest to get it. That and the MGCP questions are the ones I rarely ever read. IAX and Zaptel are my main focus and I'm starting to be interested in the skinny driver too. Of course as has been discussed, as the documentation is improved upon, and we have a simple URL(Wiki, digium site, whatever) to push to users, I think some of the traffic will die down. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again) [...] Some problems with the below: Who would post to a newbies list? Why would anyone want to ask other newbies a question? Why do engineers and other experienced people hang out in #help on Efnet? To help newbies. WHat is non-tech and how is this different fore biz. I have no idea what non-tech should be for. But Biz is an important distinction. There are definitely business functions...mostly making it work like X PBX or y KSUthat can best be answered by people who are doing installs or maintaing business type installs. Does it needs to be a separate list? Maybe. Let's see if it flies. [...] Daryl ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: Asterisk Lists (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again)
I am not sure a newbies list would help all that much, all that would happen is that they would cross post to both lists and we would get everything twice.. What may be better would be either a better way to search the list archive or a new users FAQ, of course the FAQ option requires that someone maintain it which is also a problem.. You know, it strikes me that the best group to service newbies is probably the resellers. Maybe there's a logical way to connect them together through a mailing list? Mark ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again
Hello all, Last couple weeks we had a lot of business discussions on mailing list, however some people don't like it, some people don't needed it, etc. I had couple discussions with Asterisk community members, who is interested to have business discussions about Asterisk, including but not limited to : business implementations, reselling , Asterisk commercial packages, IP phones, Asterisk One Stop Shop solutions, Wholesale termination, providers list, etc. Idea to which we come up with some members of our Asterisk community is to create Asterisk Elite Business mailing list. Which will be unofficial Asterisk list. This list will be moderated by couple moderators and will be really Elite List, we will not allow to access it spammers ,etc. During next couple days, we will publish some draft about our vision for Business implementation for Asterisk and related projects. We welcome anyone who is interested in business discussions about Asterisk and solutions based on Asterisk to join this Elite Business Asterisk List. We are also looking for people, individuals, independent consultants who has deep knowledge of Asterisk from technical side. If youfeel serious about Asterisk, about great IP PBX software, please join us. Please be informed, it is not one more technical mailing list, we are not going to discuss all technical issues, main topics will be related to business, marketing, sales. It is just unofficial Business discussion list. Please send inquiries to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get registered. Also we will be publishing archive and information from businesses-list in our Private Forum , on http://asterisk.xvoip.com under Asterisk Elite section, which will be hidden from people who is not registered. Please feel free to join us : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Alexander Unofficial Asterisk ForumsURL : http://asterisk.xvoip.comRegistration is : http://asterisk.xvoip.com/profile.php?mode=registerNew XVOIP network , get your +1 777 number today. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again
Adam, We had discussions about business list or business implementation for really long time, now it is time to move on and go forward. Hopefully with help of business -oriented people from Asterisk community we will move this project forward. Also we will support Digium on it. Anyway, let's see how it will go. Regarding name, I agree ok , to don't make confusion or something like that, we will rename it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] All requests which came to old address will be added to list too. There is no need to resend existing registration requests!!! We will post additional notes later on Forums. So people who wants to join can use now [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a subscription address. Also forums, online presence will make big sense for it. Thanks, Alexander Unofficial Asterisk Forums URL : http://asterisk.xvoip.com Registration is : http://asterisk.xvoip.com/profile.php?mode=register New XVOIP network , get your +1 777 number today. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Adam Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again Prehaps a new mailing list on list.digium.com if there's really a need for it, otherwise I bet it won't catch on. Also IMO, the word elite != elite, it means script kiddies who wish they were. good luck regardless, Adam The following is the original post, removing HTML seemed to remove the '' Hello all, Last couple weeks we had a lot of business discussions on mailing list, however some people don't like it, some people don't needed it, etc. I had couple discussions with Asterisk community members, who is interested to have business discussions about Asterisk, including but not limited to : business implementations, reselling , Asterisk commercial packages, IP phones, Asterisk One Stop Shop solutions, Wholesale termination, providers list, etc. Idea to which we come up with some members of our Asterisk community is to create Asterisk Elite Business mailing list. Which will be unofficial Asterisk list. This list will be moderated by couple moderators and will be really Elite List, we will not allow to access it spammers ,etc. During next couple days, we will publish some draft about our vision for Business implementation for Asterisk and related projects. We welcome anyone who is interested in business discussions about Asterisk and solutions based on Asterisk to join this Elite Business Asterisk List. We are also looking for people, individuals, independent consultants who has deep knowledge of Asterisk from technical side. If you feel serious about Asterisk, about great IP PBX software, please join us. Please be informed, it is not one more technical mailing list, we are not going to discuss all technical issues, main topics will be related to business, marketing, sales. It is just unofficial Business discussion list. Please send inquiries to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get registered. Also we will be publishing archive and information from businesses-list in our Private Forum , on http://asterisk.xvoip.com under Asterisk Elite section, which will be hidden from people who is not registered. Please feel free to join us : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again
Why don't we just add it on the DIgium list server, wouldn't that make more sense, to have a single place for all list memberships? Mark On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Asterisk online forums wrote: Adam, We had discussions about business list or business implementation for really long time, now it is time to move on and go forward. Hopefully with help of business -oriented people from Asterisk community we will move this project forward. Also we will support Digium on it. Anyway, let's see how it will go. Regarding name, I agree ok , to don't make confusion or something like that, we will rename it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] All requests which came to old address will be added to list too. There is no need to resend existing registration requests!!! We will post additional notes later on Forums. So people who wants to join can use now [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a subscription address. Also forums, online presence will make big sense for it. Thanks, Alexander Unofficial Asterisk Forums URL : http://asterisk.xvoip.com Registration is : http://asterisk.xvoip.com/profile.php?mode=register New XVOIP network , get your +1 777 number today. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Adam Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again Prehaps a new mailing list on list.digium.com if there's really a need for it, otherwise I bet it won't catch on. Also IMO, the word elite != elite, it means script kiddies who wish they were. good luck regardless, Adam The following is the original post, removing HTML seemed to remove the '' Hello all, Last couple weeks we had a lot of business discussions on mailing list, however some people don't like it, some people don't needed it, etc. I had couple discussions with Asterisk community members, who is interested to have business discussions about Asterisk, including but not limited to : business implementations, reselling , Asterisk commercial packages, IP phones, Asterisk One Stop Shop solutions, Wholesale termination, providers list, etc. Idea to which we come up with some members of our Asterisk community is to create Asterisk Elite Business mailing list. Which will be unofficial Asterisk list. This list will be moderated by couple moderators and will be really Elite List, we will not allow to access it spammers ,etc. During next couple days, we will publish some draft about our vision for Business implementation for Asterisk and related projects. We welcome anyone who is interested in business discussions about Asterisk and solutions based on Asterisk to join this Elite Business Asterisk List. We are also looking for people, individuals, independent consultants who has deep knowledge of Asterisk from technical side. If you feel serious about Asterisk, about great IP PBX software, please join us. Please be informed, it is not one more technical mailing list, we are not going to discuss all technical issues, main topics will be related to business, marketing, sales. It is just unofficial Business discussion list. Please send inquiries to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get registered. Also we will be publishing archive and information from businesses-list in our Private Forum , on http://asterisk.xvoip.com under Asterisk Elite section, which will be hidden from people who is not registered. Please feel free to join us : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again
Why don't we just add it on the DIgium list server, wouldn't that make more sense, to have a single place for all list memberships? Mark OR even just leave the discussion on asterisk-users... If we create new lists everytime some people disagree with a topic being on-list then we will have not 2 or 3 lists but many more. Robert ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Business discussion again
OR even just leave the discussion on asterisk-users... If we create new lists everytime some people disagree with a topic being on-list then we will have not 2 or 3 lists but many more. Amen! While -dev and -users may be a little too sparse, perhaps adding a -business list would be beneficial for discussing those types of issues. However business-related issues are not so common at this point, so perhaps a list devoted to NONTECHNICAL discussion (-nontech?) would be relevant? I agree that list fragmentation is a royal pain in the ass, but perhaps it is time to figure out just one more list to try and whittle down the traffic on -users. Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
