[Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI
Hi all, I have seen the term E1 and PRI used interchangably when referring to a voice service with 30B channels and 1 D channel. Are they just different terms for the same thing or is there some technical difference. Even Newton's telco dictonary seemed a bit fuzzy on this topic. I have seen it said the PRi is a protocol that runs on top of E1. Is this true? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI
PRI comes in 2versions E1 European and T1 US E1 30 channels T1 23 channels On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 14:15, Eric Bishop wrote: Hi all, I have seen the term E1 and PRI used interchangably when referring to a voice service with 30B channels and 1 D channel. Are they just different terms for the same thing or is there some technical difference. Even Newton's telco dictonary seemed a bit fuzzy on this topic. I have seen it said the PRi is a protocol that runs on top of E1. Is this true? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI
Eric Bishop wrote: Hi all, I have seen the term E1 and PRI used interchangably when referring to a voice service with 30B channels and 1 D channel. Are they just different terms for the same thing or is there some technical difference. Even Newton's telco dictonary seemed a bit fuzzy on this topic. I have seen it said the PRi is a protocol that runs on top of E1. Is this true? Think of E-1 as Ethernet (transport) and PRI as IP (protocol). You could also think of E-1 as IP and PRI as TCP. You can also think of E-1 as TCP/IP and PRI as FTP. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI
E1 is a European T1. T1/E1 is the transport. PRI is the protocol. PRI on an T1 id 23B+D, PRI on an E1 is 30B+D. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Wieling Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:50 AM To: Eric Bishop; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI Eric Bishop wrote: Hi all, I have seen the term E1 and PRI used interchangably when referring to a voice service with 30B channels and 1 D channel. Are they just different terms for the same thing or is there some technical difference. Even Newton's telco dictonary seemed a bit fuzzy on this topic. I have seen it said the PRi is a protocol that runs on top of E1. Is this true? Think of E-1 as Ethernet (transport) and PRI as IP (protocol). You could also think of E-1 as IP and PRI as TCP. You can also think of E-1 as TCP/IP and PRI as FTP. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Eric Bishop wrote: I have seen the term E1 and PRI used interchangably when referring to a voice service with 30B channels and 1 D channel. Are they just different terms for the same thing or is there some technical difference. Even Newton's telco dictonary seemed a bit fuzzy on this topic. I have seen it said the PRi is a protocol that runs on top of E1. Is this true? E1 is a serial line capable of 2048 Mbit. After channelization you have 31 usable 64 kbit channels. One channel (number 16) is used for signalling (even when using CAS) and the remaining 30 channels are available for voice. When you run ISDN PRI over the E1 the ISDN signalling is placed in the signalling channel of the E1. Peter ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI
Eric, E1 is a physical layer protocol, like ethernet. It defines a 2Mbps pipe, which can be used for data, or can be split into 32 64Kbps telephone channels, or a mixture. If used for telephone channels, 30 of these channels can carry one telephone conversation each, and 2 carry signalling and timing information. T1 is similar to E1. It is used in North America. It is 1.544Mbps, and can carry 24 telephone channels, each of which can carry a telephone conversation (but see below). There are a number of protocols which can run on top of E1. Some of these are called CAS, Channel Associated Signalling. Examples are FXS loop start and EM wink start. They provide information such as the number that was called, and what state the call is in. They're limited in what information they can carry, and are slow to set up. A more modern protocol which overcomes these problems is ISDN. On E1, EuroISDN is the standard. On T1, there are different standards from different providers. DMS100, DMS250, NI1, and NI2 are common examples. ISDN uses one channel (called the D channel) for signalling call information. On E1, this is one of the 2 signalling channels, leaving 30 channels for voice (called B channels). On T1, there aren't any spare signalling channels, so one of the voice channels is used, leaving 23 B channels for voice. A PRI (Primary Rate ISDN) is simply an E1 or T1 with ISDN on top of it. ISDN gives fast, reliable call setup and hangup detection, and detailed information about the call. In the UK, PRI is also called ISDN30. An important extension to ISDN is Q.SIG, which provides extra signalling information that is used when connecting PBX systems. An alternative to PRI is BRI (Basic Rate ISDN), which is a cheaper system for small offices. It has 2 64Kbps B channels for voice, and 1 16Kbps D channel for signalling. It is sold as an alternative to analogue telephone lines. IN the UK, it is also called ISDN2e. I hope this answers your question! My company offers commercial support and installation services for PRI and Asterisk if you need help for specific scenarios. This email may form the basis of a future Integrics Tip. See: http://integrics.com/tips/ Alistair Cunningham, Integrics Ltd, Telephony, Database, Unix consulting worldwide +44 (0)7870 699 479 http://integrics.com/ Eric Bishop wrote: Hi all, I have seen the term E1 and PRI used interchangably when referring to a voice service with 30B channels and 1 D channel. Are they just different terms for the same thing or is there some technical difference. Even Newton's telco dictonary seemed a bit fuzzy on this topic. I have seen it said the PRi is a protocol that runs on top of E1. Is this true? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI
Alistair- Good writeup! Question regarding Q.SIG: Can it be used to solve the problem of signaling a remote switch to take a call back and extend it to another channel instead? This, as you know, is always a challenge when using IVR in a call centre environment, when one wants to extend an IVR call to a live operator without holding up channels in the IVR. Regards, Scott Stingel Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. www.evtmedia.com Alistair Cunningham wrote: Eric, E1 is a physical layer protocol, like ethernet. It defines a 2Mbps pipe, which can be used for data, or can be split into 32 64Kbps telephone channels, or a mixture. If used for telephone channels, 30 of these channels can carry one telephone conversation each, and 2 carry signalling and timing information. T1 is similar to E1. It is used in North America. It is 1.544Mbps, and can carry 24 telephone channels, each of which can carry a telephone conversation (but see below). There are a number of protocols which can run on top of E1. Some of these are called CAS, Channel Associated Signalling. Examples are FXS loop start and EM wink start. They provide information such as the number that was called, and what state the call is in. They're limited in what information they can carry, and are slow to set up. A more modern protocol which overcomes these problems is ISDN. On E1, EuroISDN is the standard. On T1, there are different standards from different providers. DMS100, DMS250, NI1, and NI2 are common examples. ISDN uses one channel (called the D channel) for signalling call information. On E1, this is one of the 2 signalling channels, leaving 30 channels for voice (called B channels). On T1, there aren't any spare signalling channels, so one of the voice channels is used, leaving 23 B channels for voice. A PRI (Primary Rate ISDN) is simply an E1 or T1 with ISDN on top of it. ISDN gives fast, reliable call setup and hangup detection, and detailed information about the call. In the UK, PRI is also called ISDN30. An important extension to ISDN is Q.SIG, which provides extra signalling information that is used when connecting PBX systems. An alternative to PRI is BRI (Basic Rate ISDN), which is a cheaper system for small offices. It has 2 64Kbps B channels for voice, and 1 16Kbps D channel for signalling. It is sold as an alternative to analogue telephone lines. IN the UK, it is also called ISDN2e. I hope this answers your question! My company offers commercial support and installation services for PRI and Asterisk if you need help for specific scenarios. This email may form the basis of a future Integrics Tip. See: http://integrics.com/tips/ Alistair Cunningham, Integrics Ltd, Telephony, Database, Unix consulting worldwide +44 (0)7870 699 479 http://integrics.com/ Eric Bishop wrote: Hi all, I have seen the term E1 and PRI used interchangably when referring to a voice service with 30B channels and 1 D channel. Are they just different terms for the same thing or is there some technical difference. Even Newton's telco dictonary seemed a bit fuzzy on this topic. I have seen it said the PRi is a protocol that runs on top of E1. Is this true? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users . ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI
Scott, Do a search on Tromboning I have no idea if asterisk is capable of doing this but I remember this was a feature introduce into Fujitsu Qsig stack in or about 94-95 which solved a heap of customer problems at the time so I remember it was a big deal. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Stingel Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:32 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI Alistair- Good writeup! Question regarding Q.SIG: Can it be used to solve the problem of signaling a remote switch to take a call back and extend it to another channel instead? This, as you know, is always a challenge when using IVR in a call centre environment, when one wants to extend an IVR call to a live operator without holding up channels in the IVR. Regards, Scott Stingel Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. www.evtmedia.com Alistair Cunningham wrote: Eric, E1 is a physical layer protocol, like ethernet. It defines a 2Mbps pipe, which can be used for data, or can be split into 32 64Kbps telephone channels, or a mixture. If used for telephone channels, 30 of these channels can carry one telephone conversation each, and 2 carry signalling and timing information. T1 is similar to E1. It is used in North America. It is 1.544Mbps, and can carry 24 telephone channels, each of which can carry a telephone conversation (but see below). There are a number of protocols which can run on top of E1. Some of these are called CAS, Channel Associated Signalling. Examples are FXS loop start and EM wink start. They provide information such as the number that was called, and what state the call is in. They're limited in what information they can carry, and are slow to set up. A more modern protocol which overcomes these problems is ISDN. On E1, EuroISDN is the standard. On T1, there are different standards from different providers. DMS100, DMS250, NI1, and NI2 are common examples. ISDN uses one channel (called the D channel) for signalling call information. On E1, this is one of the 2 signalling channels, leaving 30 channels for voice (called B channels). On T1, there aren't any spare signalling channels, so one of the voice channels is used, leaving 23 B channels for voice. A PRI (Primary Rate ISDN) is simply an E1 or T1 with ISDN on top of it. ISDN gives fast, reliable call setup and hangup detection, and detailed information about the call. In the UK, PRI is also called ISDN30. An important extension to ISDN is Q.SIG, which provides extra signalling information that is used when connecting PBX systems. An alternative to PRI is BRI (Basic Rate ISDN), which is a cheaper system for small offices. It has 2 64Kbps B channels for voice, and 1 16Kbps D channel for signalling. It is sold as an alternative to analogue telephone lines. IN the UK, it is also called ISDN2e. I hope this answers your question! My company offers commercial support and installation services for PRI and Asterisk if you need help for specific scenarios. This email may form the basis of a future Integrics Tip. See: http://integrics.com/tips/ Alistair Cunningham, Integrics Ltd, Telephony, Database, Unix consulting worldwide +44 (0)7870 699 479 http://integrics.com/ Eric Bishop wrote: Hi all, I have seen the term E1 and PRI used interchangably when referring to a voice service with 30B channels and 1 D channel. Are they just different terms for the same thing or is there some technical difference. Even Newton's telco dictonary seemed a bit fuzzy on this topic. I have seen it said the PRi is a protocol that runs on top of E1. Is this true? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users . ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI
Scott, Yes, and this is one of the principal reasons people choose Q.SIG. I've worked on quite a few large voicemail servers, and these tend to do a lot of transfers for follow-me and operator features. Q.SIG support can significantly reduce the number of telephony channels needed, as not only are there zero channels in use rather than two during the transfer, but transferred calls last significantly longer on average than calls to leave or retrieve messages. You do need to check that the remote end supports this; some older PBXs only support parts of the Q.SIG standard. Alistair Cunningham, Integrics Ltd, Telephony, Database, Unix consulting worldwide +44 (0)7870 699 479 http://integrics.com/ Scott Stingel wrote: Alistair- Good writeup! Question regarding Q.SIG: Can it be used to solve the problem of signaling a remote switch to take a call back and extend it to another channel instead? This, as you know, is always a challenge when using IVR in a call centre environment, when one wants to extend an IVR call to a live operator without holding up channels in the IVR. Regards, Scott Stingel Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. www.evtmedia.com Alistair Cunningham wrote: Eric, E1 is a physical layer protocol, like ethernet. It defines a 2Mbps pipe, which can be used for data, or can be split into 32 64Kbps telephone channels, or a mixture. If used for telephone channels, 30 of these channels can carry one telephone conversation each, and 2 carry signalling and timing information. T1 is similar to E1. It is used in North America. It is 1.544Mbps, and can carry 24 telephone channels, each of which can carry a telephone conversation (but see below). There are a number of protocols which can run on top of E1. Some of these are called CAS, Channel Associated Signalling. Examples are FXS loop start and EM wink start. They provide information such as the number that was called, and what state the call is in. They're limited in what information they can carry, and are slow to set up. A more modern protocol which overcomes these problems is ISDN. On E1, EuroISDN is the standard. On T1, there are different standards from different providers. DMS100, DMS250, NI1, and NI2 are common examples. ISDN uses one channel (called the D channel) for signalling call information. On E1, this is one of the 2 signalling channels, leaving 30 channels for voice (called B channels). On T1, there aren't any spare signalling channels, so one of the voice channels is used, leaving 23 B channels for voice. A PRI (Primary Rate ISDN) is simply an E1 or T1 with ISDN on top of it. ISDN gives fast, reliable call setup and hangup detection, and detailed information about the call. In the UK, PRI is also called ISDN30. An important extension to ISDN is Q.SIG, which provides extra signalling information that is used when connecting PBX systems. An alternative to PRI is BRI (Basic Rate ISDN), which is a cheaper system for small offices. It has 2 64Kbps B channels for voice, and 1 16Kbps D channel for signalling. It is sold as an alternative to analogue telephone lines. IN the UK, it is also called ISDN2e. I hope this answers your question! My company offers commercial support and installation services for PRI and Asterisk if you need help for specific scenarios. This email may form the basis of a future Integrics Tip. See: http://integrics.com/tips/ Alistair Cunningham, Integrics Ltd, Telephony, Database, Unix consulting worldwide +44 (0)7870 699 479 http://integrics.com/ Eric Bishop wrote: Hi all, I have seen the term E1 and PRI used interchangably when referring to a voice service with 30B channels and 1 D channel. Are they just different terms for the same thing or is there some technical difference. Even Newton's telco dictonary seemed a bit fuzzy on this topic. I have seen it said the PRi is a protocol that runs on top of E1. Is this true? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users . ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between E1 and PRI
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Scott Stingel wrote: Good writeup! Question regarding Q.SIG: Can it be used to solve the problem of signaling a remote switch to take a call back and extend it to another channel instead? This, as you know, is always a challenge when using IVR in a call centre environment, when one wants to extend an IVR call to a live operator without holding up channels in the IVR. That problem goes by many names: tromboning, hairpinning, etc. There are several signalling methods, depending on what protocol is spoken by the remote switch: * q.sig has (can have) support for this * Explicit Call Transfer (ECT), used on EuroISDN I think) * 2B Channel Transfer, on 5ESS switches I don't think these are signalled the same way. Peter ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
