RE: [Asterisk-Users] FXO impedance matching
Rich Adamson wrote: From: Nik Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FXO impedance matching Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:02:00 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Welter wrote: Jason A. Pattie wrote: Robert Hajime Lanning wrote: Echo echo ech ech ec ec e e . . :) quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the importance of the impedance matching in a FXO interface ? My experience is with excessive buzz and hum on the line. When I plug a vintage Western Electric phone into the line, there is no buzz or hum because the phone has its own impedance matching circuitry. When I plug my ATT 954 set into the line, I hear a lot of hum. I'm told the X100P does not have impedance matching. Rich Adamson is the fellow to talk with about impedance. Apparently the hum on my lines is caused by a partial ground on either the tip or ring (or both) wire. If both leads have the same resistance to ground (matched) then there is no hum. I don't experience echo with the buzz and hum. I've been told that echo is caused when the circuit goes from four wire to two wire. I'm trying to locate a schematic of an impedance matching circuit so I can breadboard a device but haven't found one so far. I anyone has experience with this I invite him to reply. Mike If you KNOW the impedances of the two lines, a simple impedance matching transformer available at any electronics distributer (Mouser, Digi-Key, etc) carries many differdnt types, that are just for this purpose. Nik, Could you pass along something more specific then 'any electronics dist'? The old Western Electric repeat coils (transformer) are no longer available, and research with several manufacturers did not turn up anything usable. An ordinary two-winding transformer won't work as it does not pass the DC (supervision) component. If you know of a four-winding 1:1 transformer, please enlighten us. Several are looking for such a component. The original posting was oriented towards the x100p card (which apparently does not have any form of impedence matching support), while Mike's posting relates to a channel bank where the manufacturer states the fxo interface is high impedence (1,000 ohms) unbalanced with no impedence matching on board. In Mike's case building an impedence matching interface for the channel bank is highly likely to improve the noise/hum/buzz that he's getting on pstn lines. Not sure the same is going to be true for the x100p though. Rich http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=25939Site=US Cat=33096753 I may have misspoken, but these are T1 specific matching/isolation transformers. Nik ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] FXO impedance matching
Robert Hajime Lanning wrote: Echo echo ech ech ec ec e e . . :) quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the importance of the impedance matching in a FXO interface ? If impedance matching is that important, then how is it accomplished? I'm fairly sure our X101P is not impedance matching properly. I've never not had echo, and I've followed all the procedures in the wiki and from help that I've gotten from IRC. The only way to hear anything is by turning up the gain in /etc/asterisk/zapata.conf, and I've been told this is a big no-no, as it increases echo problems. But without it, the line is so low that it's useless. However, if you plug a handset directly into the line coming from the CO, it's at a decent volume level, etc. No echo, of course. -- Jason A. Pattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Xperience, Inc. (http://www.xperienceinc.com) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] FXO impedance matching
Jason A. Pattie wrote: Robert Hajime Lanning wrote: Echo echo ech ech ec ec e e . . :) quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the importance of the impedance matching in a FXO interface ? If impedance matching is that important, then how is it accomplished? I'm fairly sure our X101P is not impedance matching properly. I've never not had echo, and I've followed all the procedures in the wiki and from help that I've gotten from IRC. The only way to hear anything is by turning up the gain in /etc/asterisk/zapata.conf, and I've been told this is a big no-no, as it increases echo problems. But without it, the line is so low that it's useless. However, if you plug a handset directly into the line coming from the CO, it's at a decent volume level, etc. No echo, of course. My experience is with excessive buzz and hum on the line. When I plug a vintage Western Electric phone into the line, there is no buzz or hum because the phone has its own impedance matching circuitry. When I plug my ATT 954 set into the line, I hear a lot of hum. I'm told the X100P does not have impedance matching. Rich Adamson is the fellow to talk with about impedance. Apparently the hum on my lines is caused by a partial ground on either the tip or ring (or both) wire. If both leads have the same resistance to ground (matched) then there is no hum. I don't experience echo with the buzz and hum. I've been told that echo is caused when the circuit goes from four wire to two wire. I'm trying to locate a schematic of an impedance matching circuit so I can breadboard a device but haven't found one so far. I anyone has experience with this I invite him to reply. Mike -- Michael Welter Introspect Telephony Corp. Denver, Colorado +1 303 674 2575 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.introspect.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FXO impedance matching
Michael Welter wrote: Jason A. Pattie wrote: Robert Hajime Lanning wrote: Echo echo ech ech ec ec e e . . :) quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the importance of the impedance matching in a FXO interface ? My experience is with excessive buzz and hum on the line. When I plug a vintage Western Electric phone into the line, there is no buzz or hum because the phone has its own impedance matching circuitry. When I plug my ATT 954 set into the line, I hear a lot of hum. I'm told the X100P does not have impedance matching. Rich Adamson is the fellow to talk with about impedance. Apparently the hum on my lines is caused by a partial ground on either the tip or ring (or both) wire. If both leads have the same resistance to ground (matched) then there is no hum. I don't experience echo with the buzz and hum. I've been told that echo is caused when the circuit goes from four wire to two wire. I'm trying to locate a schematic of an impedance matching circuit so I can breadboard a device but haven't found one so far. I anyone has experience with this I invite him to reply. Mike If you KNOW the impedances of the two lines, a simple impedance matching transformer available at any electronics distributer (Mouser, Digi-Key, etc) carries many differdnt types, that are just for this purpose. Nik ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FXO impedance matching
From: Nik Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FXO impedance matching Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:02:00 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Welter wrote: Jason A. Pattie wrote: Robert Hajime Lanning wrote: Echo echo ech ech ec ec e e . . :) quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the importance of the impedance matching in a FXO interface ? My experience is with excessive buzz and hum on the line. When I plug a vintage Western Electric phone into the line, there is no buzz or hum because the phone has its own impedance matching circuitry. When I plug my ATT 954 set into the line, I hear a lot of hum. I'm told the X100P does not have impedance matching. Rich Adamson is the fellow to talk with about impedance. Apparently the hum on my lines is caused by a partial ground on either the tip or ring (or both) wire. If both leads have the same resistance to ground (matched) then there is no hum. I don't experience echo with the buzz and hum. I've been told that echo is caused when the circuit goes from four wire to two wire. I'm trying to locate a schematic of an impedance matching circuit so I can breadboard a device but haven't found one so far. I anyone has experience with this I invite him to reply. Mike If you KNOW the impedances of the two lines, a simple impedance matching transformer available at any electronics distributer (Mouser, Digi-Key, etc) carries many differdnt types, that are just for this purpose. Nik, Could you pass along something more specific then 'any electronics dist'? The old Western Electric repeat coils (transformer) are no longer available, and research with several manufacturers did not turn up anything usable. An ordinary two-winding transformer won't work as it does not pass the DC (supervision) component. If you know of a four-winding 1:1 transformer, please enlighten us. Several are looking for such a component. The original posting was oriented towards the x100p card (which apparently does not have any form of impedence matching support), while Mike's posting relates to a channel bank where the manufacturer states the fxo interface is high impedence (1,000 ohms) unbalanced with no impedence matching on board. In Mike's case building an impedence matching interface for the channel bank is highly likely to improve the noise/hum/buzz that he's getting on pstn lines. Not sure the same is going to be true for the x100p though. Rich ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] FXO impedance matching
What's the importance of the impedance matching in a FXO interface ? Kind regards, Miguel ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] FXO impedance matching
On Tuesday 22 June 2004 16:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the importance of the impedance matching in a FXO interface ? How important is call quality in your system? The two are directly related. Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] FXO impedance matching
Echo echo ech ech ec ec e e . . :) quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the importance of the impedance matching in a FXO interface ? -- END OF LINE -MCP ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
