Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-25 Thread Dan
Hi,
As I am the developer of DIAX
- Original Message - 
From: Robert Rozman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
there is already iax softphone called diax
(http://www.laser.com/dante/diax/diax.html) that can be controlled over
bluetooth on some phones. The thing that is missing is to be able to use
cellular as audio device for softphone (I'm doing this with paired 
bluetooth
headset - but that is not proper solution).

We already have Audio gateway bluetooth profile that allows redirection 
from
cellular to PCs sound card, but we would need same in opposite direction -
to use cellular as PCs soundcard on softphone application.
I cannot do it with my SonyEricsson T68i.
If anyone can do it, then I'll integrate this feature in DIAX too.
What I want to do first, but I don't know how is to control DIAX using the
BT headset internal switch to answer the call. I don;t know how to start
BT connection from the headset side:-(
Best regards,
Dan 

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-25 Thread Ed Guy
We've been using the CellSocket on asterisks in our lab and
it works well.  They only problem we found was 
DTMF performance from the local cell phone to asterisk has varied
depending on carrier and phone model.


/ed

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Interesting. I think either the phonelabs adapter or  cellsocket might
be an interesting idea. We are moving to a biz mobile package I use
iax2 term to fwd to a nextel since it's free inbound but having a cell
on the asterisk box is probably a better fit. Besides on a biz plan w/
tmobile and others you can add a line for $10 on the pooled mins
plans. Very interesting idea
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread Jay Milk
It's close -- it still requires an FXO port, and is probably not
inexpensive itself.  So between the FXO port and the device, you're
probably in for it at $200 or so.  I can get away cheaper with a
cell-socket.  I'd prefer a bluetooth dongle (1) because of cost, and (2)
because of the sheer elegance of the solution:  No reason to convert
audio back and forth several times, no reason to generate ring voltage
or detect DTMF.  Cell-phone is digital, Asterisk is digital, let's cut
out the analog.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mitchel Constantin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:22 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
 general happiness
 
 
 Our prayersanswered? (http://www.phonelabs.com/prd_blue01.asp)
 
 mitchel
 
 
 On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:11 -0500, Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was 
 looking at 
  cellsockets -- devices which will accept certain cellular 
 phones and 
  provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing 
  DTMF, which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO 
 line.  Pretty 
  cool stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth 
 the cost, 
  especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
  
  Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at 
 cell-sockets again 
  recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And 
 on top of 
  that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
  
  I looked at some developer documentation for my particular 
 phone (S/E
  T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For 
 those who are 
  unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem 
 commands.  Not 
  surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive 
  ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress 
 information 
  via the virtual serial port that the phone provides over 
 bluetooth.  
  But what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree 
  speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
  
  As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone 
  control, some form of digital audio going back and forth, 
  call-progress reporting.  I know there's at least one 
 bluetooth stack 
  for linux, so
  *technically* we're there, no?
  
  I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a 
 bluetooth/GSM 
  cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5 
  bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
  
  Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the 
  community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be 
  worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
  
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread Horacio J. Peña
 cell-socket.  I'd prefer a bluetooth dongle (1) because of cost, and (2)

Wouldn't it be cheaper a cell-socket + a 30 u$s phone? (how much does a
bluetooth capable phone cost?)

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread Igor Battiston (BZSolutions)
Hi :)
I have do same test with Nokia 3650 (bluetooth) and Motorola A835 (bluetooth
and USB)

I have do a log of widcomm software and I can setup a coll (is not only a a
ATDxx)
Now the problem is the voice
With bluetooth is possible to use voice-gateway function I'm not a good
programmer :(

But now I don't have the know how to write the channel :)


Some idea? :)

-thx-
Igor


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List -
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Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness


 It's close -- it still requires an FXO port, and is probably not
 inexpensive itself.  So between the FXO port and the device, you're
 probably in for it at $200 or so.  I can get away cheaper with a
 cell-socket.  I'd prefer a bluetooth dongle (1) because of cost, and (2)
 because of the sheer elegance of the solution:  No reason to convert
 audio back and forth several times, no reason to generate ring voltage
 or detect DTMF.  Cell-phone is digital, Asterisk is digital, let's cut
 out the analog.

  -Original Message-
  From: Mitchel Constantin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:22 AM
  To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
  Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and
  general happiness
 
 
  Our prayersanswered? (http://www.phonelabs.com/prd_blue01.asp)
 
  mitchel
 
 
  On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:11 -0500, Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was
  looking at
   cellsockets -- devices which will accept certain cellular
  phones and
   provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing
   DTMF, which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO
  line.  Pretty
   cool stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth
  the cost,
   especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
  
   Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at
  cell-sockets again
   recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And
  on top of
   that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
  
   I looked at some developer documentation for my particular
  phone (S/E
   T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For
  those who are
   unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem
  commands.  Not
   surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive
   ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress
  information
   via the virtual serial port that the phone provides over
  bluetooth.
   But what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree
   speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
  
   As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone
   control, some form of digital audio going back and forth,
   call-progress reporting.  I know there's at least one
  bluetooth stack
   for linux, so
   *technically* we're there, no?
  
   I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a
  bluetooth/GSM
   cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5
   bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
  
   Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the
   community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be
   worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
  
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread William Suffill
Interesting. I think either the phonelabs adapter or  cellsocket might
be an interesting idea. We are moving to a biz mobile package I use
iax2 term to fwd to a nextel since it's free inbound but having a cell
on the asterisk box is probably a better fit. Besides on a biz plan w/
tmobile and others you can add a line for $10 on the pooled mins
plans. Very interesting idea
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread Jay Milk
As for how BT transmits Audio:

www.bluetooth.org
www.bluez.org

How Linux utilizes Bluetooth:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=UTF-8q=linux+bluetooth
www.bluez.org

For how to write a channel, I suppose a seasoned linux programmer would
know by looking at the sources for existing channels.  If I had time,
I'd look, but the learning curve (coming from a PC environment) would be
quite steep.

 -Original Message-
 From: Igor Battiston (BZSolutions) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:09 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
 general happiness
 
 
 Hi :)
 I have do same test with Nokia 3650 (bluetooth) and Motorola 
 A835 (bluetooth and USB)
 
 I have do a log of widcomm software and I can setup a coll 
 (is not only a a
 ATDxx)
 Now the problem is the voice
 With bluetooth is possible to use voice-gateway function 
 I'm not a good programmer :(
 
 But now I don't have the know how to write the channel :)
 
 
 Some idea? :)
 
 -thx-
 Igor
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List 
 - Non-Commercial Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:20 PM
 Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
 general happiness
 
 
  It's close -- it still requires an FXO port, and is probably not 
  inexpensive itself.  So between the FXO port and the device, you're 
  probably in for it at $200 or so.  I can get away cheaper with a 
  cell-socket.  I'd prefer a bluetooth dongle (1) because of 
 cost, and 
  (2) because of the sheer elegance of the solution:  No reason to 
  convert audio back and forth several times, no reason to 
 generate ring 
  voltage or detect DTMF.  Cell-phone is digital, Asterisk is 
 digital, 
  let's cut out the analog.
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Mitchel Constantin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:22 AM
   To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
   Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general 
   happiness
  
  
   Our prayersanswered? (http://www.phonelabs.com/prd_blue01.asp)
  
   mitchel
  
  
   On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:11 -0500, Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was
   looking at
cellsockets -- devices which will accept certain cellular
   phones and
provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and 
 recognizing 
DTMF, which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO
   line.  Pretty
cool stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth
   the cost,
especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
   
Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at
   cell-sockets again
recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And
   on top of
that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
   
I looked at some developer documentation for my particular
   phone (S/E
T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For
   those who are
unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem
   commands.  Not
surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive 
ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress
   information
via the virtual serial port that the phone provides over
   bluetooth.
But what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a 
 handsfree 
speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
   
As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone 
control, some form of digital audio going back and forth, 
call-progress reporting.  I know there's at least one
   bluetooth stack
for linux, so
*technically* we're there, no?
   
I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a
   bluetooth/GSM
cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more 
 than a $5 
bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
   
Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the 
community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- 
 it would 
be worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
   
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread Jay Milk
*IF* I didn't already have the phone...

CellSocket   $100
FXO Port  $80
Non-BT Phone   $0 (after rebates for new service)
 
 $180

BT Dongle $10
BT-Phone  $75 (after rebates for new service)
 
  $85

But aside from all that, many people already have BT capable phones (as
do I), and the question was not WHETHER we could utilize a cell-phone
for an FXO replacement, but HOW to do so.

 -Original Message-
 From: Horacio J. Peña [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:00 AM
 To: Jay Milk
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 Non-Commercial Discussion'
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
 general happiness
 
 
  cell-socket.  I'd prefer a bluetooth dongle (1) because of 
 cost, and 
  (2)
 
 Wouldn't it be cheaper a cell-socket + a 30 u$s phone? (how 
 much does a bluetooth capable phone cost?)
 
 Saludos,
   HoraPe
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread Damjan
 As for how BT transmits Audio:
 
 www.bluetooth.org
 www.bluez.org
 
 How Linux utilizes Bluetooth:
 http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=UTF-8q=linux+bluetooth
 www.bluez.org
 
 For how to write a channel, I suppose a seasoned linux programmer would
 know by looking at the sources for existing channels.  If I had time,
 I'd look, but the learning curve (coming from a PC environment) would be
 quite steep.

So basically what you want to do is write an Asterisk driver that uses
the BT mobile phone as a device.

The kde-bluetooth project has a kbthandset program, so that you can use
your PC's sound card to talk via the mobile... what we want is remove
the sound-card stuff, insert Asterisk interface... should't be too hard,
but I'm no C programer... Could anyone point me to a Asterisk driver
writitng manual?


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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread Jay Milk
That's exactly it!  The asterisk box acts as a handset for the phone and
uses AT-commands for call-origination and progress.

 -Original Message-
 From: Damjan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:43 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
 general happiness
 
 
  As for how BT transmits Audio:
  
  www.bluetooth.org
  www.bluez.org
  
  How Linux utilizes Bluetooth: 
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=UTF-8q=linux+bluetooth
  www.bluez.org
  
  For how to write a channel, I suppose a seasoned linux programmer 
  would know by looking at the sources for existing channels. 
  If I had 
  time, I'd look, but the learning curve (coming from a PC 
 environment) 
  would be quite steep.
 
 So basically what you want to do is write an Asterisk driver 
 that uses the BT mobile phone as a device.
 
 The kde-bluetooth project has a kbthandset program, so that 
 you can use your PC's sound card to talk via the mobile... 
 what we want is remove the sound-card stuff, insert Asterisk 
 interface... should't be too hard, but I'm no C programer... 
 Could anyone point me to a Asterisk driver writitng manual?

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread Stefan de Konink
Jay Milk wrote:
That's exactly it!  The asterisk box acts as a handset for the phone and
uses AT-commands for call-origination and progress.
OFF: Although the reversed thing, having a console with a bluetooth 
headset would also sounds very ok.

ON: Why would one prefer bluetooth over wires if one still needs a 
serial cable to send AT commands? For an incomming call, GSM to 
GSM-Asterisk it would make sense, but I never saw a bluetooth headset 
device with keypad. Probably not only a bluetooth API should be looked 
at moreover the to be used Cellphones API.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread Damjan
 ON: Why would one prefer bluetooth over wires if one still needs a 
 serial cable to send AT commands? 

You can send AT commands via BT too... while sending audio.
BT is a great standard.

 For an incomming call, GSM to 
 GSM-Asterisk it would make sense, but I never saw a bluetooth headset 
 device with keypad. 

We are talking of using the GSM mobile to bring calls to your private
home phone network... probably SIP based.

GSM-mobile --bt-- Asterisk-with-BT-dongle --ethernet-- \
  SIP-phones-inside-all-of-your-house


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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread Jay Milk
Yep, right on -- once it's a channel, you can run any extension you like
-- including your IVR prompts and voicemail.  Whether your extensions
are SIP, H.323 or zaptel won't even matter.

 -Original Message-
 From: Damjan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 

 GSM-mobile --bt-- Asterisk-with-BT-dongle --ethernet-- \
 SIP-phones-inside-all-of-your-house

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-24 Thread Jay Milk
You don't need a serial cable to send the AT commands.  Bluetooth
provides a virtual serial port which  makes the modem commands
available wirelessly.

 -Original Message-
 From: Stefan de Konink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:46 PM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
 general happiness
 
 
 Jay Milk wrote:
  That's exactly it!  The asterisk box acts as a handset for 
 the phone 
  and uses AT-commands for call-origination and progress.
 
 OFF: Although the reversed thing, having a console with a bluetooth 
 headset would also sounds very ok.
 
 ON: Why would one prefer bluetooth over wires if one still needs a 
 serial cable to send AT commands? For an incomming call, GSM to 
 GSM-Asterisk it would make sense, but I never saw a bluetooth headset 
 device with keypad. Probably not only a bluetooth API should 
 be looked 
 at moreover the to be used Cellphones API.
 
 
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[Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Jay Milk
When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking at
cellsockets -- devices which will accept certain cellular phones and
provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing DTMF,
which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty cool
stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth the cost,
especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.

Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets again
recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And on top of
that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.

I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E
T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For those who are
unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem commands.  Not
surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive
ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress information via
the virtual serial port that the phone provides over bluetooth.  But
what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree
speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.

As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone control,
some form of digital audio going back and forth, call-progress
reporting.  I know there's at least one bluetooth stack for linux, so
*technically* we're there, no?

I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM
cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5
bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.

Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the
community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be
worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread slwatts

Interesting 

We use primicell's (nokia 22's) to break
out mobile phone traffic at the office. I know these are more like full
blown mobile phones that u plug directly into the pbx but similar idea.
Would be cool to have a home version to allow u to get similar functionality
by just putting your bluetooth mobile near your asterisk server ;-)

ie. Come home, plonk phone down. walk
off to another room - girlfriend calls, asterisk picks it up and rings
all phones in house... no annoying ear bashing about why I didnt take my
mobile with me and when I call her I can do so on my dirt cheap mobile-mobile
rate :-)

On a similar note - has anyone got asterisk
to work with the nokia/sony PCMCIA GSM (or even 3G?) cards? - 3G would
open up the Videophone thing through asterisk - sure there is a very good
technical reason why that wouldnt work!!!

Sam


Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/09/2004
18:10:11:

 When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking
at
 cellsockets -- devices which will
accept certain cellular phones and
 provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage
and recognizing DTMF,
 which in turn makes your cell-phone look like
a CO line. Pretty cool
 stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to
be worth the cost,
 especially since it locks you to a particular
cell-phone.
 
 Since then, I've moved to Asterisk. I looked at at cell-sockets
again
 recently, but they haven't really gotten any
cheaper... And on top of
 that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface
for *.
 
 I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E
 T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.
For those who are
 unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of
AT modem commands. Not
 surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well
as receive
 ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress
information via
 the virtual serial port that the phone provides
over bluetooth. But
 what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC
as a handsfree
 speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
 
 As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone control,
 some form of digital audio going back and forth,
call-progress
 reporting. I know there's at least one
bluetooth stack for linux, so
 *technically* we're there, no?
 
 I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM
 cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing
more than a $5
 bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
 
 Who's up for the challenge? If there's enough interest in the
 community, I'll be the first to add a bounty
on this -- it would be
 worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Joe Antkowiak
There are quite a number of positive (for end users) implications of
doing this too...  just think about all those cell providers that
offer unlimited mobile to mobile calls, and then all those unlimited
LD packages from landline and voip providers.  This has huge potential
for people who use their cell phones alot...


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:11 -0500, Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking at
 cellsockets -- devices which will accept certain cellular phones and
 provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing DTMF,
 which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty cool
 stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth the cost,
 especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
 
 Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets again
 recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And on top of
 that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
 
 I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E
 T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For those who are
 unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem commands.  Not
 surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive
 ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress information via
 the virtual serial port that the phone provides over bluetooth.  But
 what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree
 speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
 
 As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone control,
 some form of digital audio going back and forth, call-progress
 reporting.  I know there's at least one bluetooth stack for linux, so
 *technically* we're there, no?
 
 I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM
 cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5
 bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
 
 Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the
 community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be
 worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
 
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Jay Milk
Even better... Come home, leave the phone in the car knowing your
bluetooth gateway is only a few feet away dangling down from the garage
ceiling :)  I already have bluetooth handsfree in the car, and it's
sweet -- no more missed calls due leaving the phone on vibrate.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:33 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general
happiness



Interesting 

We use primicell's (nokia 22's) to break out mobile phone traffic at the
office. I know these are more like full blown mobile phones that u plug
directly into the pbx but similar idea. Would be cool to have a home
version to allow u to get similar functionality by just putting your
bluetooth mobile near your asterisk server ;-) 

ie. Come home, plonk phone down. walk off to another room - girlfriend
calls, asterisk picks it up and rings all phones in house... no annoying
ear bashing about why I didnt take my mobile with me and when I call her
I can do so on my dirt cheap mobile-mobile rate :-) 

On a similar note - has anyone got asterisk to work with the nokia/sony
PCMCIA GSM (or even 3G?) cards? - 3G would open up the Videophone thing
through asterisk - sure there is a very good technical reason why that
wouldnt work!!! 

Sam 


Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/09/2004 18:10:11:

 When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking at 
 cellsockets -- devices which will accept certain cellular phones and

 provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing
DTMF, 
 which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty cool 
 stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth the cost, 
 especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone. 
 
 Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets again

 recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And on top of 
 that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *. 
 
 I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E 
 T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For those who are 
 unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem commands.  Not

 surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive 
 ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress information
via 
 the virtual serial port that the phone provides over bluetooth.  But 
 what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree 
 speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth. 
 
 As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone
control, 
 some form of digital audio going back and forth, call-progress 
 reporting.  I know there's at least one bluetooth stack for linux, so 
 *technically* we're there, no? 
 
 I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM 
 cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5 
 bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air. 
 
 Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the 
 community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be 
 worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality. 
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Joe Antkowiak
if you bought a 2 phone no-minute plan with unlimited mobile to
mobile, and used * to connect one of your phones to your unlimited ld
at home, you could essentially get very cheap unlimited mobile
calling...   this was the point I was trying to make...   Yes, it
would be a pain to dial twice, but with all these smartphones and pda
phones out there, it shouldn't be too hard to write something that
could easily talk to * via the mobile to mobile call...


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:43:41 -0500, Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Even better... Come home, leave the phone in the car knowing your
 bluetooth gateway is only a few feet away dangling down from the garage
 ceiling :)  I already have bluetooth handsfree in the car, and it's
 sweet -- no more missed calls due leaving the phone on vibrate.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:33 PM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general
 happiness
 
 Interesting
 
 We use primicell's (nokia 22's) to break out mobile phone traffic at the
 office. I know these are more like full blown mobile phones that u plug
 directly into the pbx but similar idea. Would be cool to have a home
 version to allow u to get similar functionality by just putting your
 bluetooth mobile near your asterisk server ;-)
 
 ie. Come home, plonk phone down. walk off to another room - girlfriend
 calls, asterisk picks it up and rings all phones in house... no annoying
 ear bashing about why I didnt take my mobile with me and when I call her
 I can do so on my dirt cheap mobile-mobile rate :-)
 
 On a similar note - has anyone got asterisk to work with the nokia/sony
 PCMCIA GSM (or even 3G?) cards? - 3G would open up the Videophone thing
 through asterisk - sure there is a very good technical reason why that
 wouldnt work!!!
 
 Sam
 
 Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/09/2004 18:10:11:
 
  When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking at
  cellsockets -- devices which will accept certain cellular phones and
 
  provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing
 DTMF,
  which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty cool
  stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth the cost,
  especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
 
  Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets again
 
  recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And on top of
  that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
 
  I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E
  T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For those who are
  unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem commands.  Not
 
  surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive
  ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress information
 via
  the virtual serial port that the phone provides over bluetooth.  But
  what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree
  speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
 
  As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone
 control,
  some form of digital audio going back and forth, call-progress
  reporting.  I know there's at least one bluetooth stack for linux, so
  *technically* we're there, no?
 
  I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM
  cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5
  bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
 
  Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the
  community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be
  worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Andy Powell

On 23/09/2004 at 13:36 Joe Antkowiak wrote:

There are quite a number of positive (for end users) implications of
doing this too...  just think about all those cell providers that
offer unlimited mobile to mobile calls, and then all those unlimited
LD packages from landline and voip providers.  This has huge potential
for people who use their cell phones alot...

Not to mention the fact that you wont be microwaving your brain...

:D

Andy


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Mitchel Constantin
This is a great idea, I've got that phone and it really would be an
amazing feature, I have a really nice asterisk system set up in my
house and a $10/month broadvoice line, but linking everything together
would definately be a really nice touch. I've got $15 towards a bounty
;).

mitchel


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:54:53 +0200, Andy Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On 23/09/2004 at 13:36 Joe Antkowiak wrote:
 
 There are quite a number of positive (for end users) implications of
 doing this too...  just think about all those cell providers that
 offer unlimited mobile to mobile calls, and then all those unlimited
 LD packages from landline and voip providers.  This has huge potential
 for people who use their cell phones alot...
 
 Not to mention the fact that you wont be microwaving your brain...
 
 :D
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Chris Lee
Joe Antkowiak wrote:
There are quite a number of positive (for end users) implications of
doing this too...  just think about all those cell providers that
offer unlimited mobile to mobile calls, and then all those unlimited
LD packages from landline and voip providers.  This has huge potential
for people who use their cell phones alot...

Then make sure the channel allows you to: pool devices, set free minutes 
on each device,and have preference for devices with remaining free 
minutes, thus sharing the calls between my phone and that of my wife.

An IAX/(sip if it must) softphone with appropriate extensions to work 
with bluetooth devices could provide a solution without having a 
Bluetooth dongle in the PABX.

Chris.
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Jay Milk
The implications are great, aren't they?  We have three T-Mo phones on a
family plan, so that could come in handy, although my main motivation is
just the convenience factor.  In addition, our phones are all set up for
CCF to one of our VOIP lines, which is nearly free on T-Mo.  You
basically receive a bucket of 500 CCF minutes which each line.  With the
proper setup, the channel could be advised to dispose of incoming calls
by declaring the phone busy, thus forcing it to CCF to a homeline, and
not using up cell minutes for those calls.  During free nights/weekends,
the cellular phone could be the preferred long-distnace carrier... It's
endless.

 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Antkowiak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:52 PM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
 general happiness
 
 
 if you bought a 2 phone no-minute plan with unlimited mobile 
 to mobile, and used * to connect one of your phones to your 
 unlimited ld at home, you could essentially get very cheap 
 unlimited mobile
 calling...   this was the point I was trying to make...   Yes, it
 would be a pain to dial twice, but with all these smartphones 
 and pda phones out there, it shouldn't be too hard to write 
 something that could easily talk to * via the mobile to mobile call...
 
 
 On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:43:41 -0500, Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Even better... Come home, leave the phone in the car knowing your 
  bluetooth gateway is only a few feet away dangling down from the 
  garage ceiling :)  I already have bluetooth handsfree in 
 the car, and 
  it's sweet -- no more missed calls due leaving the phone on vibrate.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:33 PM
  To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
  Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general 
  happiness
  
  Interesting
  
  We use primicell's (nokia 22's) to break out mobile phone 
 traffic at 
  the office. I know these are more like full blown mobile 
 phones that u 
  plug directly into the pbx but similar idea. Would be cool 
 to have a 
  home version to allow u to get similar functionality by 
 just putting 
  your bluetooth mobile near your asterisk server ;-)
  
  ie. Come home, plonk phone down. walk off to another room - 
 girlfriend 
  calls, asterisk picks it up and rings all phones in house... no 
  annoying ear bashing about why I didnt take my mobile with 
 me and when 
  I call her I can do so on my dirt cheap mobile-mobile rate :-)
  
  On a similar note - has anyone got asterisk to work with the 
  nokia/sony PCMCIA GSM (or even 3G?) cards? - 3G would open up the 
  Videophone thing through asterisk - sure there is a very good 
  technical reason why that wouldnt work!!!
  
  Sam
  
  Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/09/2004 18:10:11:
  
   When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was 
 looking at 
   cellsockets -- devices which will accept certain 
 cellular phones 
   and
  
   provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing
  DTMF,
   which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty 
   cool stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be 
 worth the cost, 
   especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
  
   Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets 
   again
  
   recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... 
 And on top 
   of that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
  
   I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone 
   (S/E
   T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For 
 those who are
   unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem 
 commands.  Not
  
   surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive 
   ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress 
 information
  via
   the virtual serial port that the phone provides over 
 bluetooth.  But 
   what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree 
   speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
  
   As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone
  control,
   some form of digital audio going back and forth, call-progress 
   reporting.  I know there's at least one bluetooth stack 
 for linux, 
   so
   *technically* we're there, no?
  
   I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a 
   bluetooth/GSM cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing 
   more than a $5 bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
  
   Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the 
   community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- 
 it would be 
   worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
  
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Jon Radon
This has been discussed numerous times an gone no where.  I agree
though, having my cell line ring my Asterisk extension would be ideal.
 That way I only have to lug one phone when I'm home.  Question
though, would chan_btp interfere with such a contraption?


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:24:18 -0500, Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The implications are great, aren't they?  We have three T-Mo phones on a
 family plan, so that could come in handy, although my main motivation is
 just the convenience factor.  In addition, our phones are all set up for
 CCF to one of our VOIP lines, which is nearly free on T-Mo.  You
 basically receive a bucket of 500 CCF minutes which each line.  With the
 proper setup, the channel could be advised to dispose of incoming calls
 by declaring the phone busy, thus forcing it to CCF to a homeline, and
 not using up cell minutes for those calls.  During free nights/weekends,
 the cellular phone could be the preferred long-distnace carrier... It's
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Andrew Thompson
Joe Antkowiak wrote:
if you bought a 2 phone no-minute plan with unlimited mobile to
mobile, and used * to connect one of your phones to your unlimited ld
at home, you could essentially get very cheap unlimited mobile
calling...   this was the point I was trying to make...   Yes, it
would be a pain to dial twice, but with all these smartphones and pda
phones out there, it shouldn't be too hard to write something that
could easily talk to * via the mobile to mobile call...
Just be careful, my VZW contract states that mobile-to-mobile doesn't 
apply when one of the lines is fixed or makes a majority of it's call 
from a single cell site.

Take the phone out and use it somewhere else a couple of times a month.
--
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http://aktzero.com/
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Jay Milk
Wait... So VZW offers this free nationwide plan but you can't use it?  I
think they'd have a difficult time slapping you with a fine just because
you happened to only make/receive calls at home/work for a while.
That's another good reason to move away from Verizon.

 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:57 PM
 To: Joe Antkowiak; Asterisk Users Mailing List - 
 Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
 general happiness
 
 
 Joe Antkowiak wrote:
  if you bought a 2 phone no-minute plan with unlimited mobile to 
  mobile, and used * to connect one of your phones to your 
 unlimited ld 
  at home, you could essentially get very cheap unlimited mobile
  calling...   this was the point I was trying to make...   Yes, it
  would be a pain to dial twice, but with all these 
 smartphones and pda 
  phones out there, it shouldn't be too hard to write something that 
  could easily talk to * via the mobile to mobile call...
 
 Just be careful, my VZW contract states that mobile-to-mobile doesn't 
 apply when one of the lines is fixed or makes a majority of 
 it's call 
 from a single cell site.
 
 Take the phone out and use it somewhere else a couple of 
 times a month.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Robert Rozman
Hi,

there is already iax softphone called diax
(http://www.laser.com/dante/diax/diax.html) that can be controlled over
bluetooth on some phones. The thing that is missing is to be able to use
cellular as audio device for softphone (I'm doing this with paired bluetooth
headset - but that is not proper solution).

We already have Audio gateway bluetooth profile that allows redirection from
cellular to PCs sound card, but we would need same in opposite direction -
to use cellular as PCs soundcard on softphone application.

I just wish that bluetooth (headset) support under Linux is better...

Regards,

Robert.

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 Wait... So VZW offers this free nationwide plan but you can't use it?  I
 think they'd have a difficult time slapping you with a fine just because
 you happened to only make/receive calls at home/work for a while.
 That's another good reason to move away from Verizon.

  -Original Message-
  From: Andrew Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:57 PM
  To: Joe Antkowiak; Asterisk Users Mailing List -
  Non-Commercial Discussion
  Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and
  general happiness
 
 
  Joe Antkowiak wrote:
   if you bought a 2 phone no-minute plan with unlimited mobile to
   mobile, and used * to connect one of your phones to your
  unlimited ld
   at home, you could essentially get very cheap unlimited mobile
   calling...   this was the point I was trying to make...   Yes, it
   would be a pain to dial twice, but with all these
  smartphones and pda
   phones out there, it shouldn't be too hard to write something that
   could easily talk to * via the mobile to mobile call...
 
  Just be careful, my VZW contract states that mobile-to-mobile doesn't
  apply when one of the lines is fixed or makes a majority of
  it's call
  from a single cell site.
 
  Take the phone out and use it somewhere else a couple of
  times a month.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

2004-09-23 Thread Mitchel Constantin
Our prayersanswered? (http://www.phonelabs.com/prd_blue01.asp)

mitchel


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:11 -0500, Jay Milk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking at
 cellsockets -- devices which will accept certain cellular phones and
 provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing DTMF,
 which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty cool
 stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth the cost,
 especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
 
 Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets again
 recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And on top of
 that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
 
 I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E
 T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For those who are
 unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem commands.  Not
 surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive
 ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress information via
 the virtual serial port that the phone provides over bluetooth.  But
 what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree
 speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
 
 As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone control,
 some form of digital audio going back and forth, call-progress
 reporting.  I know there's at least one bluetooth stack for linux, so
 *technically* we're there, no?
 
 I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM
 cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5
 bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
 
 Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the
 community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be
 worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
 
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