Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-24 Thread Jon Lawrence
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 21:48, Nicolas Bougues wrote:

 This last hop may be the source of your problem. Since I believe it's
 not a trans-continent link, it's either :
 - a very congestioned link
 - a router with serious problems at hop 13 (or maybe 12).

 You should contact whoever manages westloc.com

We are aware of the problem.
It is indeed a router problem and we are working on fixing it - main headache 
is as with all strange problems when I think I'm getting close to the cure, 
the problem disappears :(
If it affected only one IP address (or subnet) I'd stand a chance - but the 
problem seems to move around our subnets appearingly at random. I'm taking 
delivery of a new set of routers so I can just replace both in one hit and 
then fault find in the lab :)

Jon
westloc.com

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-22 Thread Azher Amin
Hi,

I have recently used the service from Magrathea, a UK IAX provider. So
far Voice quality is perfect.

You can mail to:

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Yeah, primarily fired at them from large telcos with infinite
bandwidth...

At 11:01 4/21/2004, you wrote:
Wait till DDOS/extortion scams start hitting voip providers!

Panny

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[Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Craig Waddington








Hi,



Currently using voiptalk.org and the quality is getting
really bad.



I would like a second provider preferably in UK,
anyone got any suggestions?



Ta.








Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:24:06PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote:

 Currently using voiptalk.org and the quality is getting really bad.
 I would like a second provider preferably in UK, anyone got any suggestions?

That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet.
Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS
across their network for VoIP traffic.

Or find someone with infinite bandwidth.


Steve

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Craig Waddington
Yes, but, I am talking about this world.

Ive got 2mb up/down with qos, just need another (good) provider.

If I can try a few and see which is best.


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On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:24:06PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote:

 Currently using voiptalk.org and the quality is getting really bad.
 I would like a second provider preferably in UK, anyone got any
suggestions?

That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet.
Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS
across their network for VoIP traffic.

Or find someone with infinite bandwidth.


Steve

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Eric Wieling
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 09:32, Steve Kennedy wrote:
 That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet.
 Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS
 across their network for VoIP traffic.

LOL!  I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other
than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved
enough money at them.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread tan
Craig,

2mb up/down with QoS doesn't mean anything, especially when you hit the
Internet. What is better is to look at the exact route of your calls and
then determine whether maybe there are some other issues. For instance,
we had a customer with Ciscos who was reporting choppy audio. However,
this was down to a bug in asterisk
(http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001374) and cvs
updating fixed the problem.

Tan
Telappliant.com

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Yes, but, I am talking about this world.

Ive got 2mb up/down with qos, just need another (good) provider.

If I can try a few and see which is best.


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On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:24:06PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote:

 Currently using voiptalk.org and the quality is getting really bad. I 
 would like a second provider preferably in UK, anyone got any
suggestions?

That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet.
Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS
across their network for VoIP traffic.

Or find someone with infinite bandwidth.


Steve

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread tan
In the UK, with the sort of equipment that BT has in its network, you're
lucky to even get adsl going through! ISPs can only provide QoS up to a
certain boundary. After that it is out of their control!

Tan


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On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 09:32, Steve Kennedy wrote:
 That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet.

 Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS 
 across their network for VoIP traffic.

LOL!  I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other
than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved
enough money at them.

-- 
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related story, the IRS has recently ruled that the cost of Windows
upgrades can NOT be deducted as a gambling loss.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Panny Malialis
Wait till DDOS/extortion scams start hitting voip providers!

Panny
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 On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 09:32, Steve Kennedy wrote:
  That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet.
  Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS
  across their network for VoIP traffic.
 
 LOL!  I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other
 than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved
 enough money at them.
 
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 In a related story, the IRS has recently ruled that the cost of Windows
 upgrades can NOT be deducted as a gambling loss.
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread WipeOut
Steve Kennedy wrote:

On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:24:06PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote:

 

Currently using voiptalk.org and the quality is getting really bad.
I would like a second provider preferably in UK, anyone got any suggestions?
   

That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet.
Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS
across their network for VoIP traffic.
Or find someone with infinite bandwidth.

Steve

 

QoS on the internet!! That will be the day.. I can see it now, all the 
P2P software will set their programs to run with maximum priority and 
then publish that they have the fastest system..

I know BT is thinking about creating QoS facilities on the DSL but its 
not available yet and will cost extra..
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 04:02:21PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In the UK, with the sort of equipment that BT has in its network, you're
 lucky to even get adsl going through! ISPs can only provide QoS up to a
 certain boundary. After that it is out of their control!

It depends on what you're trying to do. There are various ISP's in the
UK that run IP/MPLS networks with metrics suitable for carrying voice
traffic. They can run QoS services in and out of their networks to
customers utilising leased lines/LES/or SOME forms of DSL.

Of course going to another providers network (in the UK) generally goes
through LINX and that's a congested exchange with no guarantees.

Some networks do have private interconnects and either run QoS across
the interconnect or just have enough bandwidth so contention across the
interconnect never occurs.


Steve

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Matt
Haven't used them, but on my travels have come across:

http://www.magrathea-telecom.co.uk

Like I said, I don't know anything about them, but seem to remember that they are an 
IAX provider.

Cheers

Matt

 Wait till DDOS/extortion scams start hitting voip providers!
 
 Panny
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 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:43 PM
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  On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 09:32, Steve Kennedy wrote:
   That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet.
   Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS
   across their network for VoIP traffic.
  
  LOL!  I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other
  than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved
  enough money at them.
  
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Craig Waddington
Thanks Tan.

I will look into it my end. Unfortunately it isn't happening from just
one location, and a variety of phones. The quality used to be perfect,
the odd call would be a little jittery/choppy, but now most are like
that, I am running asterisk stable with eicon diva cards. 3.0Ghz dell
2GB ram.

1 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms  10.5.0.1
  217 ms14 ms14 ms  195.10.119.94
  317 ms14 ms14 ms  195.10.119.158
  422 ms14 ms15 ms  217.23.160.1
  515 ms15 ms31 ms  217.23.162.122
  617 ms15 ms14 ms  217.23.160.85
  719 ms18 ms14 ms  217.23.160.186
  830 ms26 ms29 ms  tier1-1.BUD2.psie.net [154.14.68.113]
  931 ms39 ms29 ms  linx1.teleglobe.net [195.66.224.51]
 1026 ms28 ms30 ms  if-0-0-0.bb2.London.Teleglobe.net
[195.219.96.81
]
 1159 ms87 ms   108 ms  ix-3-1-0-822.bb2.London.Teleglobe.net
[195.219.2
.34]
 1276 ms54 ms54 ms  wi2.westloc.com [82.145.32.2]
 13   229 ms   239 ms   187 ms  wc3-10.westloc.com [82.145.32.73]

Trace complete.


I don't know if asterisk is reporting this right, but all day on the
console I am seeing voiptalk unreachable, then 5 secs later reachable?

IAX.conf

allow=ulaw
allow=alaw
jitterbuffer=500
maxexcessbuffer=300




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Craig,

2mb up/down with QoS doesn't mean anything, especially when you hit the
Internet. What is better is to look at the exact route of your calls and
then determine whether maybe there are some other issues. For instance,
we had a customer with Ciscos who was reporting choppy audio. However,
this was down to a bug in asterisk
(http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001374) and cvs
updating fixed the problem.

Tan
Telappliant.com

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Yes, but, I am talking about this world.

Ive got 2mb up/down with qos, just need another (good) provider.

If I can try a few and see which is best.


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On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:24:06PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote:

 Currently using voiptalk.org and the quality is getting really bad. I 
 would like a second provider preferably in UK, anyone got any
suggestions?

That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet.
Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS
across their network for VoIP traffic.

Or find someone with infinite bandwidth.


Steve

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Craig Waddington
Hahahhaaa your right there Tan.


List, don't get me wrong, voiptalk are very good, service, support,
price, I am just having some issues which may be my end.

I was just wanting to try some iax providers out to see what worked best
for us.

Hopefully will get sorted.



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In the UK, with the sort of equipment that BT has in its network, you're
lucky to even get adsl going through! ISPs can only provide QoS up to a
certain boundary. After that it is out of their control!

Tan


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On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 09:32, Steve Kennedy wrote:
 That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet.

 Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS 
 across their network for VoIP traffic.

LOL!  I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other
than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved
enough money at them.

-- 
  Eric Wieling * BTEL Consulting * 504-899-1387 x2111 In a
related story, the IRS has recently ruled that the cost of Windows
upgrades can NOT be deducted as a gambling loss.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Gavin Hamill
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 16:12, Matt wrote:
 Haven't used them, but on my travels have come across:

 http://www.magrathea-telecom.co.uk

 Like I said, I don't know anything about them, but seem to remember that
 they are an IAX provider.

I haven't used Magrathea for anything 'production' yet, but the initial tests 
I did were good, and Linus is a very friendly helpful bloke who will be happy 
to 'hook you up' =)

Cheers,
Gavin.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Rich Adamson
  That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet.
  Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS
  across their network for VoIP traffic.
 
 LOL!  I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other
 than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved
 enough money at them.

FWIW, we were recently engaged to identify a VoIP problem associated with
a DS3 trade show link provided by a major Internet provider. The reported
problem by our client was essentially: a DSL circuit at the trade show
is providing rock solid voip service, however a dedicated DS3 is providing
very poor voip quality with a single workstation. The client wanted to
demo a bunch of workstations running voip, etc, so a single DSL was not
going to cut it.

The problem turned out to be QoS had been implemented on the Internet-based
DS3 from the Washington DC area to Nebraska (not requested, not expected).
The client had ordered the DS3 with a certain CIR which was believed to 
have been mostly a billing approach (not a technical implementation).

The solution actually ended up being one of implementing QoS on their
XP demo workstations (simple checkmark in IP definitions), and the DS3
nicely handled several voip sessions very reliably. Surprised: Yes!!!

The point of that is there are some backbone providers that have done
something in terms of QoS even though its not openly discussed or
advertised. Could it be some form of pre-sales technical testing or 
whatever? Sure.

Pure guess: I'd suspect some major ISPs are playing/testing/evaluating
approaches, or, may have implemented something technically that enforces
a CIR on an ordinary DS3.

Rich


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread tmpm
Yeah, primarily fired at them from large telcos with infinite bandwidth...

At 11:01 4/21/2004, you wrote:
Wait till DDOS/extortion scams start hitting voip providers!

Panny
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider

2004-04-21 Thread Nicolas Bougues
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 04:18:51PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote:
 
 1 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms  10.5.0.1
   217 ms14 ms14 ms  195.10.119.94
   317 ms14 ms14 ms  195.10.119.158
   422 ms14 ms15 ms  217.23.160.1
   515 ms15 ms31 ms  217.23.162.122
   617 ms15 ms14 ms  217.23.160.85
   719 ms18 ms14 ms  217.23.160.186
   830 ms26 ms29 ms  tier1-1.BUD2.psie.net [154.14.68.113]
   931 ms39 ms29 ms  linx1.teleglobe.net [195.66.224.51]
  1026 ms28 ms30 ms  if-0-0-0.bb2.London.Teleglobe.net
 [195.219.96.81
 ]
  1159 ms87 ms   108 ms  ix-3-1-0-822.bb2.London.Teleglobe.net
 [195.219.2
 .34]
  1276 ms54 ms54 ms  wi2.westloc.com [82.145.32.2]
  13   229 ms   239 ms   187 ms  wc3-10.westloc.com [82.145.32.73]
 

This last hop may be the source of your problem. Since I believe it's
not a trans-continent link, it's either :
- a very congestioned link
- a router with serious problems at hop 13 (or maybe 12).

You should contact whoever manages westloc.com

-- 
Nicolas Bougues
Axialys Interactive
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