Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
Going back to the whole NNTP thing... Mailman (which is what this list uses for the software) has the option to gate the list to nntp and vice versa. Ryan Butler ADI Internet Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
Agh I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the various threads going on . Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug C h r i sE a r l e System Solutions Specialist ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
IF there was a consideration for a change, I prefer: phpbb it's open source and easy to use. www.phpbb.com you can still get emails from the posts. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Earle (CBL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:02:22 -0400 Agh I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the various threads going on . Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug C h r i sE a r l e System Solutions Specialist ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 903-793-1953 -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 09:02, Chris Earle (CBL) wrote: Agh I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the various threads going on . Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... What you need is to get a decent mail reader. Those of us that complain regularly about people changing subjects in the middle of a thread already know the benefits of threaded email reading. Why bother with a newsgroup because you choose to stay on windows and use outbreak express only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug And this is a good thing. Otherwise spammers only need the list address to spam us all, and you get this also on newsgroups. Right now the only risk is the fact that the email addresses we use here are archived publicly in an easy to harvest method. I think that is the most risk I wish to undertake. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... If you want threads, get a MUA that is capable of threading. Most are. The In-Reply-To header makes mail threading on lists trivial (and you can easily spot the people that hit reply and change the subject without actually starting a new thread...) Maybe you just have not yet found where to turn it on. only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug Which is why the mailing list will probably continue to be used... John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
what? you want to change the list into a message board? no no, newsgroups are fine... phpbb is nice though... C h r i sE a r l e System Solutions Specialist - Original Message - From: jltaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format IF there was a consideration for a change, I prefer: phpbb it's open source and easy to use. www.phpbb.com you can still get emails from the posts. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Earle (CBL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:02:22 -0400 Agh I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the various threads going on . Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug C h r i sE a r l e System Solutions Specialist ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 903-793-1953 -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
- Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 09:02, Chris Earle (CBL) wrote: Agh I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the various threads going on . Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... What you need is to get a decent mail reader. Those of us that complain regularly about people changing subjects in the middle of a thread already know the benefits of threaded email reading. Why bother with a newsgroup because you choose to stay on windows and use outbreak express hmmI think I *do* realize the benefits of threaded email reading -- that's why I was supporting services like gmane! ;-) I do realize that OE isn't really the best idea, but it works fairly well with some proper setup (folders, rules etc). only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug And this is a good thing. Otherwise spammers only need the list address to spam us all, and you get this also on newsgroups. Right now the only risk is the fact that the email addresses we use here are archived publicly in an easy to harvest method. I think that is the most risk I wish to undertake. Yes yes, I know it's a good thing, just didn't help my newsgroup format/gmane solution...hehe No complaints here about taking measures to prevent spam, it's more than necessary IMO. C h r i sE a r l e System Solutions Specialist ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
So, other than Outlook for Win and Xfmail for Linux any recommendations for those lost souls on the list? -- Original Message -- From: John Laur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:17:57 -0500 Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... If you want threads, get a MUA that is capable of threading. Most are. The In-Reply-To header makes mail threading on lists trivial (and you can easily spot the people that hit reply and change the subject without actually starting a new thread...) Maybe you just have not yet found where to turn it on. only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug Which is why the mailing list will probably continue to be used... John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 903-793-1953 -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
OE has the 'group messages by conversation' option, but I think I wrote it off awhile ago because it didn't work so well or something. maybe I'll give it a second chance C h r i sE a r l e System Solutions Specialist - Original Message - From: James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:50 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format So, other than Outlook for Win and Xfmail for Linux any recommendations for those lost souls on the list? -- Original Message -- From: John Laur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:17:57 -0500 Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... If you want threads, get a MUA that is capable of threading. Most are. The In-Reply-To header makes mail threading on lists trivial (and you can easily spot the people that hit reply and change the subject without actually starting a new thread...) Maybe you just have not yet found where to turn it on. only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug Which is why the mailing list will probably continue to be used... John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 903-793-1953 -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
Iván Aponte wrote: James Taylor wrote: So, other than Outlook for Win and Xfmail for Linux any recommendations for those lost souls on the list? You should try Mozilla Mail. It has thread support and a very efective spam filter. Ivan Great suggestion. The Bayesian spam filter is nothing short of excellent after a few days training. But be warned that running antivirus (at least Norton Sophos) in realtime mode can have unfortunate consequences for the consistency of your mailbox files -- Steve Dommett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 870 801 7700 Fax: +44 870 801 7701 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
I agree! phpbb is great! Matt Hardeman PaperSoft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jltaylor Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format IF there was a consideration for a change, I prefer: phpbb it's open source and easy to use. www.phpbb.com you can still get emails from the posts. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Earle (CBL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:02:22 -0400 Agh I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the various threads going on . Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug C h r i sE a r l e System Solutions Specialist ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 903-793-1953 -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 12:11, Matthew Hardeman wrote: I feel your pain! I tend to prefer html based forums... They keep threads well organized, cause less overhead on the server, conserve bandwidth, etc... I understand you are a crack addict by your use of Outlook, and your opinion that fancy formating and graphics could be less bandwidth intensive than plain text. The only way you use less bandwidth is if you have fewer users reading. A mailing list broadcast the message to all users, then you can read it over and over again without incurring more transport bandwidth with the original server. They also give visual priority to new threads and active threads... What do you think bold on unread is? Get a threaded mail reader, and enjoy. On the other hand, to deal with forums, you actually have to go check them... Yep, reason not to use them on top of the above absurdities you try and put forth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Earle (CBL) Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format Agh I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the various threads going on . Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug C h r i sE a r l e System Solutions Specialist ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
Hey there! Actually, yes, I do take 80 mg. Adderall XR daily, but I hardly think that's relevant to this thread or for that matter this mailing list. Windows on the desktop is *still* a reality... There are some things I just have to have it for... As such, here at my desk at work, I have this laptop running Windows... Shame on me. I do have quite a few linux systems, though. Like many others here, I understand the thread-view features of outlook and other mail readers... I consider them all a nasty kludge. Fancy formatting and graphics are optional. Phpbb is configurable at the user level with a number of skins, including some very simple nearly plain-text types that work quite well with text based web browsers. As for the bandwidth issue, servers migrating from a mailing list format to a forum format generally experience reductions in used bandwidth as not every user will constantly receive all messages. Users visit the site on a timeframe convenient to them, and read only the posts that interest them, by thread. As they are able to quickly reject or ignore threads that are irrelevant to them, they spend their time and bandwidth reading messages that matter to them. I didn't mention earlier that most forum software these days has a subscriber to forum feature that allows users to receive emails of the messages from the forums automatically, if they prefer. Frankly, I don't think any of the assertions in my prior email were terribly absurd, but each is entitled to his own opinion. Matt Hardeman PaperSoft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Critchfield Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 12:11, Matthew Hardeman wrote: I feel your pain! I tend to prefer html based forums... They keep threads well organized, cause less overhead on the server, conserve bandwidth, etc... I understand you are a crack addict by your use of Outlook, and your opinion that fancy formating and graphics could be less bandwidth intensive than plain text. The only way you use less bandwidth is if you have fewer users reading. A mailing list broadcast the message to all users, then you can read it over and over again without incurring more transport bandwidth with the original server. They also give visual priority to new threads and active threads... What do you think bold on unread is? Get a threaded mail reader, and enjoy. On the other hand, to deal with forums, you actually have to go check them... Yep, reason not to use them on top of the above absurdities you try and put forth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Earle (CBL) Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format Agh I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the various threads going on . Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug C h r i sE a r l e System Solutions Specialist ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
I thought this list thing died this morning. I'm a guest on this list so I'll take it any way the powers deliver it. Although I do prefer phpbb. And, I suppose that anyone who wants to host a phpbb could. I don't have the time right now. It's enough just to keep up with these emails. Bandwidth? Steven, you must be Digium's Comptroller (or own stock in the company). This is your second post about their bandwidth conservation in two days. Bandwidth is cheap. They wouldn't maintain this list if it didn't generate hardware sales (unless this whole thing is just a hobby). -- Original Message -- From: Matthew Hardeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:33:04 -0500 Hey there! Actually, yes, I do take 80 mg. Adderall XR daily, but I hardly think that's relevant to this thread or for that matter this mailing list. Windows on the desktop is *still* a reality... There are some things I just have to have it for... As such, here at my desk at work, I have this laptop running Windows... Shame on me. I do have quite a few linux systems, though. Like many others here, I understand the thread-view features of outlook and other mail readers... I consider them all a nasty kludge. Fancy formatting and graphics are optional. Phpbb is configurable at the user level with a number of skins, including some very simple nearly plain-text types that work quite well with text based web browsers. As for the bandwidth issue, servers migrating from a mailing list format to a forum format generally experience reductions in used bandwidth as not every user will constantly receive all messages. Users visit the site on a timeframe convenient to them, and read only the posts that interest them, by thread. As they are able to quickly reject or ignore threads that are irrelevant to them, they spend their time and bandwidth reading messages that matter to them. I didn't mention earlier that most forum software these days has a subscriber to forum feature that allows users to receive emails of the messages from the forums automatically, if they prefer. Frankly, I don't think any of the assertions in my prior email were terribly absurd, but each is entitled to his own opinion. Matt Hardeman PaperSoft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Critchfield Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 12:11, Matthew Hardeman wrote: I feel your pain! I tend to prefer html based forums... They keep threads well organized, cause less overhead on the server, conserve bandwidth, etc... I understand you are a crack addict by your use of Outlook, and your opinion that fancy formating and graphics could be less bandwidth intensive than plain text. The only way you use less bandwidth is if you have fewer users reading. A mailing list broadcast the message to all users, then you can read it over and over again without incurring more transport bandwidth with the original server. They also give visual priority to new threads and active threads... What do you think bold on unread is? Get a threaded mail reader, and enjoy. On the other hand, to deal with forums, you actually have to go check them... Yep, reason not to use them on top of the above absurdities you try and put forth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Earle (CBL) Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format Agh I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the various threads going on . Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers... only problem being that this list requires list membership before postingShrug C h r i sE a r l e System Solutions Specialist ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 903-793-1953 -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http
RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 14:48, James Taylor wrote: I thought this list thing died this morning. I'm a guest on this list so I'll take it any way the powers deliver it. Although I do prefer phpbb. And, I suppose that anyone who wants to host a phpbb could. I don't have the time right now. It's enough just to keep up with these emails. Bandwidth? Steven, you must be Digium's Comptroller (or own stock in the company). This is your second post about their bandwidth conservation in two days. Bandwidth is cheap. I am a customer only. Also Bandwidth isn't cheap for a business that serves more than receives. The cheap rates are usually for async with a larger down;pad than upload speed. To get sync up and down speeds adds cost, and to go the opposite route is a bit more expensive. Even if bandwidth is cheap, it is still a cost that could be put towards an additional programmer, more hardware, or any other development activity that also benefits us. They wouldn't maintain this list if it didn't generate hardware sales (unless this whole thing is just a hobby). correct. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
