[Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
Hi- Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how much it would cost to install a BRI here. Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated, and the like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market anymore, as most of past usage was modem related. I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify PRI. What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought was a built-in feature. Thanks Scott Stingel Scott M. Stingel President, Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. Palo Alto California London England www.evtmedia.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
Well they fail to realize that ISDN is used for more than data. I just wanna scream at them and say IT DOES VOICE TO YOU NINNY!.. Rates are far from reasonable. 167/mth here is what I would have to pay for ISDN-BRI. SBC is lame. bkw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Stingel Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA? Hi- Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how much it would cost to install a BRI here. Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated, and the like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market anymore, as most of past usage was modem related. I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify PRI. What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought was a built- in feature. Thanks Scott Stingel Scott M. Stingel President, Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. Palo Alto California London England www.evtmedia.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
Hi Scott, Local ISDN BRI service is definitely on it's way out. We recently have canceled several ISDN BRI accounts and replaced them with ADSL lines. More bandwidth and less cost. If you intend on using the lines for voice only, then FXO is the better option. If you looking to use voicedata the I would suggest 1 FXO line with ADSL over it. We believe the Digium cards with Asterisk in a small Linux box will provide a best combination of flexibility and services. Doug, Voippages.com Scott Stingel wrote: Hi- Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how much it would cost to install a BRI here. Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated, and the like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market anymore, as most of past usage was modem related. I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify PRI. What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought was a built-in feature. Thanks Scott Stingel Scott M. Stingel President, Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. Palo Alto California London England www.evtmedia.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
i work for a local telco and BRI is avoided due to the amount of hardware it can take to get to an end user. DSL is simply easier and cheaper to provide. Not sure why you can't get caller id, i know when can add that feature to BRI - hcir On Jul 20, 2004, at 7:36 AM, Scott Stingel wrote: Hi- Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how much it would cost to install a BRI here. Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated, and the like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market anymore, as most of past usage was modem related. I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify PRI. What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought was a built-in feature. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
Never rely on a telco for correct information, they will very often be wrong... unless you luck out and actually talk to someone who knows something... Both PRI and BRI are capable of ANI (Caller ID) by using their D-Channel to send/receive this information digitally... A regular T1 (read non-ISDN) can also receive Caller ID if it is done in-band (I.E. Between the first and second rings like an analog line does...) This is the old-school way of doing it, but you get the benefit of not losing that last channel... - Original Message - From: Scott Stingel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA? Hi- Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how much it would cost to install a BRI here. Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated, and the like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market anymore, as most of past usage was modem related. I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify PRI. What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought was a built-in feature. Thanks Scott Stingel Scott M. Stingel President, Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. Palo Alto California London England www.evtmedia.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
Scott, I have an SBC BRI in California. I would not worry about them going away anytime soon. SBC just does not like to sell them because they want you to buy a PRI instead. The main thing to worry about is getting that BRI working with *. There are only a couple of cards that work the National ISDN, one of which is the Eicon Diva Sever cards. I tried hooking my BRI up to * a while ago, but was not successful. I was using a cheapo card, so I'm sure that was part of the problem. As far as callerid, I don't know if mine supports it. My BRI is connected to a portmaster, so I am not looking at callerid. Anyway, Good luck! Scott Stingel wrote: Hi- Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how much it would cost to install a BRI here. Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated, and the like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market anymore, as most of past usage was modem related. I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify PRI. What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought was a built-in feature. Thanks Scott Stingel Scott M. Stingel President, Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. Palo Alto California London England www.evtmedia.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
brian wrote: Well they fail to realize that ISDN is used for more than data. I just wanna scream at them and say IT DOES VOICE TO YOU NINNY!.. Rates are far from reasonable. 167/mth here is what I would have to pay for ISDN-BRI. SBC is lame. Back in the day, Pacbell was pretty lame also. I worked at a place that made isdn routers. We had a cheat sheet we used to give customers so they could tell pacbell how to provision their line. I had several BRI lines at just $28 per month. I would stack up the B channels and run MLPPP. We allowed users to cheat and make data calls look like voice calls. I think the speed went down from 64 to 56 when you did this, but you saved some per minute phone charges. The good old days. The phone company never seemed to really want to deal with isdn back when it was cool. Now with dsl, they must really ignore it. -- Bob Knight [-w] the work option [EMAIL PROTECTED] 925-449-9163 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
But I'm not speaking of BRI in a bandwidth/internet sense of the word. I want it for voice. bkw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Allen Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA? i work for a local telco and BRI is avoided due to the amount of hardware it can take to get to an end user. DSL is simply easier and cheaper to provide. Not sure why you can't get caller id, i know when can add that feature to BRI - hcir On Jul 20, 2004, at 7:36 AM, Scott Stingel wrote: Hi- Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how much it would cost to install a BRI here. Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated, and the like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market anymore, as most of past usage was modem related. I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify PRI. What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought was a built-in feature. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
At 11:46 AM 7/20/2004, you wrote: Well they fail to realize that ISDN is used for more than data. I just wanna scream at them and say IT DOES VOICE TO YOU NINNY!.. Rates are far from reasonable. 167/mth here is what I would have to pay for ISDN-BRI. SBC is lame. I don't know where you are but we are in zone C in IL and pay about $50 a month for a BRI plus usage or $90 a month for unlimited usage from SBC. They are cheaper from area CLECs. Since DSL came out and we went to wireless, we have dropped from over 100 BRIs to just 3. They have been replaced with wireless links or DSL. The final 3 are waiting for new wireless POPs. PRIs usage has not dropped though. BRIs were never understood and embraced by the US telcos and I am sure they are on their way out. Tom bkw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Stingel Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA? Hi- Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how much it would cost to install a BRI here. Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated, and the like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market anymore, as most of past usage was modem related. I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify PRI. What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought was a built- in feature. Thanks Scott Stingel Scott M. Stingel President, Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. Palo Alto California London England www.evtmedia.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
If one is using BRI primarily for voice, POTS lines while they will work are not a great replacement for many reasons: No reliable disconnect Slower call setup times Slower and less reliable number delivery (CallerID vs. ANI) Lower voice quality While no one seems to actually support it, it should be possible to support DID over BRI, which would make small BRI installations very cost effective. Fractional PRI might be something to consider as well, but it really depends on how many lines you need and what SBC's gouge rates are these days. I'd also check with the CLECs there. /carmi On 20 Jul, 2004, at 12:46, Doug Shubert wrote: Hi Scott, Local ISDN BRI service is definitely on it's way out. We recently have canceled several ISDN BRI accounts and replaced them with ADSL lines. More bandwidth and less cost. If you intend on using the lines for voice only, then FXO is the better option. If you looking to use voicedata the I would suggest 1 FXO line with ADSL over it. We believe the Digium cards with Asterisk in a small Linux box will provide a best combination of flexibility and services. Doug, Voippages.com Scott Stingel wrote: Hi- Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how much it would cost to install a BRI here. Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated, and the like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market anymore, as most of past usage was modem related. I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify PRI. What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought was a built-in feature. Thanks Scott Stingel Scott M. Stingel President, Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. Palo Alto California London England www.evtmedia.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
They are definitely giving you the run-around. Call one of the surviving CLECs. With good negotiation you can get a PRI for $600/mo. BRIs are harder to get, they require special hardware on the line side of the switch and many shelfs don't support them or the advanced features. (They were sort of force-fitted into an existing analog structure.) tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brian Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA? Well they fail to realize that ISDN is used for more than data. I just wanna scream at them and say IT DOES VOICE TO YOU NINNY!.. Rates are far from reasonable. 167/mth here is what I would have to pay for ISDN-BRI. SBC is lame. bkw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Stingel Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA? Hi- Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how much it would cost to install a BRI here. Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated, and the like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market anymore, as most of past usage was modem related. I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify PRI. What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought was a built- in feature. Thanks Scott Stingel Scott M. Stingel President, Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. Palo Alto California London England www.evtmedia.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
SBC never was overly enthusiastic about BRI circuits; when it was a popular technolgy 7-10 years ago they priced it too high, and it languished in limbo since it was too expensive for residential, but too cheap to interest the corporate sales force, who didn't want to undercut T1 sales. I helped a customer order a few for a videoconferencing project recently, and it was such a nightmare that the project was shelved and an IP-based solution was put in. You can't order CID service on the circuit because the provisioning system only knows about CID on POTS lines, but AFAIK, it's an inherent part of the BRI specification, and it's always worked on every BRI I've tried it on, though the sales rep is always confused by the it's-there-but-it's-not-there syndrome. On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:36:59 -0700, Scott Stingel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi- Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how much it would cost to install a BRI here. Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated, and the like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market anymore, as most of past usage was modem related. I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify PRI. What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought was a built-in feature. Thanks Scott Stingel Scott M. Stingel President, Emerging Voice Technology, Inc. Palo Alto California London England www.evtmedia.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
they really didn't want to install BRI's. Their comments were well, BRI is getting quite antiquated If they consider ISDN BRI antiquated, what do they think of POTS? g. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
On Tuesday 20 July 2004 15:00, Carmi Weinzweig wrote: Fractional PRI might be something to consider as well, but it really depends on how many lines you need and what SBC's gouge rates are these days. I'd also check with the CLECs there. Here in Canada (Bell Canada) you can get fractional PRI; depending on your pricing tier you pay about $53/B channel/mo and then I think $355/mo for the PRI service itself. Considering regular POTS lines are $55/mo there isn't really any cost savings at all. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
Here in Canada (Bell Canada) you can get fractional PRI; depending on your pricing tier you pay about $53/B channel/mo and then I think $355/mo for the PRI service itself. Considering regular POTS lines are $55/mo there isn't really any cost savings at all. In spite of what my learned colleague implies above, there is more to Canada than Ontario (Bell's territory). Out here in the West (Vancouver -- rarely acknowledged to exist by Torontonians) PRI B channels are a lot more expensive than POTS. We don't deal with the ILEC (Telus) so are only familiar with the CLECs: fractional PRIs are not much cheaper than a full PRI which will run around CA$800 - $1,000 for 23 B channels (~$30 - $40/channel) while business POTS are available for around CA$23/ea from the CLECs and CA$40 from the ILEC.. g. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
Tim,
good point, and BRI's steal precious Cu pairs off the aging trunk lines.
PRI costs in our area (northeast USA) were around $600/month a few
years back.
BTW, I found this interesting. Not much about a VoIP service though.
Verizon Announces FTTP Rollout
Verizon has announced that it will begin providing fiber-to-the-premises
("FTTP") in markets in California, Florida and Texas this year. Verizon
said it intends to pass 1 million homes and businesses in parts of 9 states
with fiber by the year-end. The new suite of fiber-optic services will be
called Verizon Fios (FYE-ose). Verizon is offering three data speeds: 5
Mbps/2 Mbps for $34.95 a month as part of a calling package, or $39.95 a
month stand-alone; 15 Mbps/2 Mbps for $44.95 a month as part of a calling
package, or $49.95 a month stand-alone, and; 30 Mbps/5 Mbps at pricing to be
announced later. The company plans a Fios video offering to give consumers
an alternative to cable TV in 2005. Each consumer data offer includes the
suite of services currently available to Verizon Online DSL customers at no
additional charge, including: MSN Premium content; Verizon's new Broadband
Beat entertainment portal optimized for high-speed access featuring news,
games, streaming video and more; up to nine e-mail accounts with 30
megabytes (MB) of storage for the primary account and an additional 10 MB
for each sub-account; address book and calendar; 10 MB personal Web space
and a Web site building tool; and access to newsgroups.
-Doug
Tim McKee wrote:
They are definitely giving you the run-around. Call one of the surviving
CLECs. With good negotiation you can get a PRI for $600/mo. BRIs are
harder to get, they require special hardware on the line side of the switch
and many shelfs don't support them or the advanced features. (They were
sort of force-fitted into an existing analog structure.)
tim
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Well they fail to realize that ISDN is used for more than data. I just
wanna scream at them and say "IT DOES VOICE TO YOU NINNY!".. Rates are far
from reasonable. 167/mth here is what I would have to pay for ISDN-BRI.
SBC is lame.
bkw
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Hi-
Because a majority of my customers are in Europe, I've gotten quite
used to working with ISDN (PRI) and BRI on a regular basis. Recently
one of my customers asked me if I could terminate a few lines locally
here in the USA (California), so I called up SBC to enquire as to how
much it would cost to install a BRI here.
Although the rates were reasonable (except the installation), I got
the distinct impression that they really didn't want to install BRI's.
Their comments were "well, BRI is getting quite antiquated", and the
like. They said with the advent of ADSL, there's not much of a market
anymore, as most of past usage was modem related.
I'm a little worried about the pricing going up, and availability
going down in the near future. I don't have the volume yet to justify
PRI.
What are other's experience in the US with BRI? Also, they mentioned
that I couldn't get caller ID with the BRI service, which I thought
was a built- in feature.
Thanks
Scott Stingel
Scott M. Stingel
President,
Emerging Voice Technology, Inc.
Palo Alto California London England
www.evtmedia.com
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
On Tuesday 20 July 2004 18:18, George Pajari wrote: In spite of what my learned colleague implies above, there is more to Canada than Ontario (Bell's territory). Please retract your statement that I implied anything of the sort; I never even mentioned the province I was in, nor do I harbour any kind of cold hostility toward the western provinces as you seem to imply here. We also have Telus and ATT and Sprint and MCI... hell even Group Telecom, but unfortunately in my little town you can't get a PRI from anyone but Bell; the others wouldn't even return my calls. Out here in the West (Vancouver -- rarely acknowledged to exist by Torontonians) PRI B channels are a lot more expensive than POTS. I'm not from Toronto, nor any other major city for that matter. Honestly though, was this kind of attack on me (or other Ontarians) necessary? Could you have not just stated your situation and pricing from your point of view without taking a shot at me or where I live? -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] PRI dead in USA?
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:46:15 -0500, brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well they fail to realize that ISDN is used for more than data. I just wanna scream at them and say IT DOES VOICE TO YOU NINNY!.. Rates are far from reasonable. 167/mth here is what I would have to pay for ISDN-BRI. SBC is lame. bkw Fun isn't it. I recently had a BRI installed and had to firmly tell the operator that I didn't want an Internet service to go with it. Conversation goes something like: Me: I'd like to order an ISDN line please Operator: ISDN is a last resort option for those who can't get broadband Internet. Me: I want to use it for voice. Operator: Do you want an Internet plan to go with that? Me: No. I already have ADSL on another line. Operator: Why do you want ISDN then? Me: Because it's cheaper and better than having two POTS lines. Operator: Orders ISDN Conversation goes on and the Operator asks me again if I want an Internet plan. Anybody would think that they didn't want to sell ISDN services even though the telco (Telstra) has recently ran a big promotion pushing the benefits of ISDN. I'm paying AU$45.50 per month including tax for my BRI, which is around US$33. -Shaun ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
