Re: [Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501's for sale

2006-03-24 Thread Bill Michaelson

From: Martin Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]


It sounds to me like you are suggesting that a QoS infrastructure can 
be utilized over the internet at large?  Is this only true for big guys 
that have an SLA in place?


I would love to discover some QoS mechanism that is respected in 
general,  but that doesn't seem to be the case?  Even Speakeasy, when I 
called them to see if there was an existing QoS modality in place on 
there network,  refused to provide any info.


This seems like the single biggest problem for a broader adoption of 
Voip ?


-
With Speakeasy, you get a point to point connection like DSL or T-1 to their 
facility.  Presumably from there, they can give QoS through to the TDM network 
on their own facilities.  But I'm assuming...

Also, I've received offers of MPLS service from vendors that will tie multiple 
locations together.  I guess one could leverage such an offering to effectively 
share a TDM gateway among geographically dispersed service sites for VoIP.



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[Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501's for sale

2006-03-23 Thread Rick Smith


Converted a strictly VOIP system in NYC to NEC IPK TDM system...
will have 25 Polycom 501's for sale.

Best offer, offlist only please.

R
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501's for sale

2006-03-23 Thread Gabriel Afana
Why the changeover back to TDM??

- Gabe


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 Converted a strictly VOIP system in NYC to NEC IPK TDM system...
 will have 25 Polycom 501's for sale.
 
 Best offer, offlist only please.
 
 R
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501's for sale

2006-03-23 Thread Rick Smith
Customer got ripped off by a previous VOIP provider and had a REAL 
distaste for VOIP, even done right...


Get this

they had a SIP Server in San Diego, with 25 phones in NYC and another 20 
in Atlanta.


Average hops were 24, and over 210 ms end to end.

Just poor engineering, and they didn't know better.


Gabriel Afana wrote:


Why the changeover back to TDM??

- Gabe


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To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
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Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501's for sale


 


Converted a strictly VOIP system in NYC to NEC IPK TDM system...
will have 25 Polycom 501's for sale.

Best offer, offlist only please.

R
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501's for sale

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Kirts
Are these MGCP or SIP 501 phones?

On 3/23/06, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Converted a strictly VOIP system in NYC to NEC IPK TDM system...
 will have 25 Polycom 501's for sale.

 Best offer, offlist only please.

 R
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501's for sale

2006-03-23 Thread BJ Weschke
On 3/23/06, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Customer got ripped off by a previous VOIP provider and had a REAL
 distaste for VOIP, even done right...

 Get this

 they had a SIP Server in San Diego, with 25 phones in NYC and another 20
 in Atlanta.

 Average hops were 24, and over 210 ms end to end.

 Just poor engineering, and they didn't know better.


 We run into situations like this often as well, and it's truly
unfortunate, because it gives our industry and the technology driving
it a bad name, and like you, some customers want to go back to TDM and
have nothing to do with VoIP at all because they find safety again
in a PRI/T1/POTS relationship where there's one carrier whom you have
an SLA with and you can beat them up when something's not working.
I look forward to the day when full service solutions providers
consider the network in addition to just the application and don't
consider a public internet IP connection, sans any QoS infrastructure,
to your run of the mill volume ITSP carrier grade.

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Bird's The Word Technologies, Inc.
http://www.btwtech.com/
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501's for sale

2006-03-23 Thread Martin Joseph


On Mar 23, 2006, at 6:58 PM, BJ Weschke wrote:

 We run into situations like this often as well, and it's truly
unfortunate, because it gives our industry and the technology driving
it a bad name, and like you, some customers want to go back to TDM and
have nothing to do with VoIP at all because they find safety again
in a PRI/T1/POTS relationship where there's one carrier whom you have
an SLA with and you can beat them up when something's not working.
I look forward to the day when full service solutions providers
consider the network in addition to just the application and don't
consider a public internet IP connection, sans any QoS infrastructure,
to your run of the mill volume ITSP carrier grade.

It sounds to me like you are suggesting that a QoS infrastructure can 
be utilized over the internet at large?  Is this only true for big guys 
that have an SLA in place?


I would love to discover some QoS mechanism that is respected in 
general,  but that doesn't seem to be the case?  Even Speakeasy, when I 
called them to see if there was an existing QoS modality in place on 
there network,  refused to provide any info.


This seems like the single biggest problem for a broader adoption of 
Voip ?


Marty

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