Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: T1/DS1/ISDN PRI

2005-04-29 Thread Matt Roth
David Josephson,
Not off-base, but you haven't made it all the way home yet. This is 
another layer of the puzzle, and again we are not talking about apples 
and apples here. Circuit switched means that there is a (real or 
virtual) circuit that takes data on an input port and delivers it to 
an output port somewhere. Packet switched means that each packet of 
data is examined by each port it passes, to see where it should be 
sent. Normally this layer of VoIP traffic is handled not in Asterisk, 
but in a router. You could run the router on the same Linux box that's 
running Asterisk (and send packets to different Ethernet ports 
depending on their destination address) but normally this task is 
handled by a separate router. There is a small computational overhead 
associated with adding and decoding Ethernet packets but the main 
routing work is done outside Asterisk, and isn't too intensive. You 
could read up on TCP/IP routing and understand how this works in more 
detail.
We plan on using a Gb switch with 100 Mbps ports to handle the routing.
It's not something you can take a look at in my experience. Some of 
the Bell System training material that comes up on eBay is good. You 
need to follow the progress from circuit-switched voice telephony 
circa 1930 through modern TDM, and then look at the development of 
TCP/IP switching separately.
75 years of telephony and network technology to cover, eh?  Looks like 
it's going to be a long weekend.  ; )

No sound card, no monitor. Recording to the various file formats is 
possible, as Herman mentioned.
This seems like an odd limitation to me.  Any idea why it's designed so 
that you must have a sound card to digitally record calls?  They could 
always be moved to another box in order to listen to them.

Your reference picture is fine ... but note that Asterisk can be the 
TDM/VoIP gateway, particularly when Digium releases their DS3 card 
(644 voice channels!) working, a lot more cheaply than a standalone 
box from some hardware vendor.
I'm not sure that the DS3000P is in our timeframe.  I am interested in 
knowing how it will perform, considering more than two Digium quad-span 
cards currently overload the CPU with interrupts.  It seems that Monitor 
cannot handle digitally recording more than ~50 concurrent calls, 
either.  Maybe these limitations are being addressed as we speak.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge with me,
Matthew Roth
http://voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Running%20Asterisk%20on%20Debian
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[Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: T1/DS1/ISDN PRI

2005-04-28 Thread David Josephson

It is my understanding that TDM is circuit switched and VoIP is packet 
switched.  It would seem to me that at some point in a TDM-VoIP gateway, 
a change from circuit switching to packet switching is happening, and 
vice versa depending on the direction of the signals.  I was just 
wondering if anyone could detail that process and tell me if it is 
resource-intensive.  If I'm completely off-base, please point me in the 
right direction.
 

Not off-base, but you haven't made it all the way home yet. This is 
another layer of the puzzle, and again we are not talking about apples 
and apples here. Circuit switched means that there is a (real or 
virtual) circuit that takes data on an input port and delivers it to an 
output port somewhere. Packet switched means that each packet of data 
is examined by each port it passes, to see where it should be sent. 
Normally this layer of VoIP traffic is handled not in Asterisk, but in a 
router. You could run the router on the same Linux box that's running 
Asterisk (and send packets to different Ethernet ports depending on 
their destination address) but normally this task is handled by a 
separate router. There is a small computational overhead associated with 
adding and decoding Ethernet packets but the main routing work is done 
outside Asterisk, and isn't too intensive. You could read up on TCP/IP 
routing and understand how this works in more detail.

It's too bad. A lot of people without any telephone background try to 
make up stuff using pieces of the old terminology and wonder why they 
stay confused. They could look it up, but they don't. For instance 
DID's. DID has a specific meaning and inward service from the PSTN 
handed off on VOIP isn't it.
   

Do you have a good, reliable source that I could take a look at?
 

It's not something you can take a look at in my experience. Some of 
the Bell System training material that comes up on eBay is good. You 
need to follow the progress from circuit-switched voice telephony circa 
1930 through modern TDM, and then look at the development of TCP/IP 
switching separately.

Is there a way to specify the format?  What if there is no sound card on 
the Asterisk server?
 

No sound card, no monitor. Recording to the various file formats is 
possible, as Herman mentioned.

Your reference picture is fine ... but note that Asterisk can be the 
TDM/VoIP gateway, particularly when Digium releases their DS3 card (644 
voice channels!) working, a lot more cheaply than a standalone box from 
some hardware vendor.

 

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: T1/DS1/ISDN PRI

2005-04-28 Thread Matt Klein
Max TNT's are pretty cheap they'll need to price it accordingly.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005, David Josephson wrote:
Your reference picture is fine ... but note that Asterisk can be the TDM/VoIP 
gateway, particularly when Digium releases their DS3 card (644 voice 
channels!) working, a lot more cheaply than a standalone box from some 
hardware vendor.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: T1/DS1/ISDN PRI

2005-04-28 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On April 28, 2005 08:02 pm, Matt Klein wrote:
 Max TNT's are pretty cheap they'll need to price it accordingly.

Be careful.
MaxTNTs are fine, but you need a fully unlocked shelf controller to do 
SIP/h323.  You also need their fancy ethernet card; for whatever reason their 
standard ones don't work.  You also need enough modem/dsp cards (newer ones 
only, the old ones don't work) to run the number of channels you want.

Yes they're pretty inexpensive but not just any one will do.  There are lots 
of little caveats.

-A.
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