[Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank

2005-04-20 Thread Dan Goscomb
Hi

I have just purchased a Rhino Channel Bank and am using it connected to
asterisk via a digium TE410P. I am having problems with connecting
phones to the channel bank.

I have channel one connected to a patch panel, a line adaptor
chonnecting the phone cord to the patch panel, and then the phone.

When i pick up the channel bank does not detect this. The phone does not
ring when called.

Using a multimeter i checked voltage across the line and its 48V all the
way up to the phone, so the wiring is fine...

Any ideas as to what could be wrong?

Regards

Dan Goscomb

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank

2005-04-20 Thread BJ Weschke
 I don't know about channel banks, but when you go T1 to T1 device
with a cable, you need the RX/TX pairs cross connected. Do you have a
T1 crossover cable in play or a straight through?

On 4/20/05, Dan Goscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi
 
 I have just purchased a Rhino Channel Bank and am using it connected to
 asterisk via a digium TE410P. I am having problems with connecting
 phones to the channel bank.
 
 I have channel one connected to a patch panel, a line adaptor
 chonnecting the phone cord to the patch panel, and then the phone.
 
 When i pick up the channel bank does not detect this. The phone does not
 ring when called.
 
 Using a multimeter i checked voltage across the line and its 48V all the
 way up to the phone, so the wiring is fine...
 
 Any ideas as to what could be wrong?
 
 Regards
 
 Dan Goscomb
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank

2005-04-20 Thread Dan Goscomb
certainly do... and asterisk and the rhino see each other...


On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 08:38 -0400, BJ Weschke wrote:
  I don't know about channel banks, but when you go T1 to T1 device
 with a cable, you need the RX/TX pairs cross connected. Do you have a
 T1 crossover cable in play or a straight through?
 
 On 4/20/05, Dan Goscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi
  
  I have just purchased a Rhino Channel Bank and am using it connected to
  asterisk via a digium TE410P. I am having problems with connecting
  phones to the channel bank.
  
  I have channel one connected to a patch panel, a line adaptor
  chonnecting the phone cord to the patch panel, and then the phone.
  
  When i pick up the channel bank does not detect this. The phone does not
  ring when called.
  
  Using a multimeter i checked voltage across the line and its 48V all the
  way up to the phone, so the wiring is fine...
  
  Any ideas as to what could be wrong?
  
  Regards
  
  Dan Goscomb
  
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank

2005-04-20 Thread Chuck Smith
Do you have the FXO version of the channel bank or the FXS?

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Hi

I have just purchased a Rhino Channel Bank and am using it connected to
asterisk via a digium TE410P. I am having problems with connecting
phones to the channel bank.

I have channel one connected to a patch panel, a line adaptor
chonnecting the phone cord to the patch panel, and then the phone.

When i pick up the channel bank does not detect this. The phone does not
ring when called.

Using a multimeter i checked voltage across the line and its 48V all the
way up to the phone, so the wiring is fine...

Any ideas as to what could be wrong?

Regards

Dan Goscomb

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank or ADIT 600

2005-03-28 Thread Jerry
I don't know what you mean by talk.
Cost difference:
well this is how I calculated it, one the overall cost of having to
get an asterisk box that needs more CPU, and 2 the actual cost of the
cards to make it work. As well as taking into considiration that adit
is telco grade equipment, and has very good performance.
Option 1: An adit 600 loaded with 6 FXS cards = $800, Digium Quad t1 = 
$1500.
Option 2: An adit 600 with 5 FXS cards, and 1 CMG02 card = $1500 (Max,
you could get it for cheaper).
Option 1 for 384 (8 * 48) analog ports: 8 * 800 + 2 * 1500 = $9,400.
(around $24.50 per port)
Option 2 for 360 (9 * 40) analog ports: 9 * 1500 = $13,500. ($37.50 
per port)
But option 2 can all go on one asterisk box, since it's all voip, and
no transcoding has to take place (in fact it's like getting 9 more
asterisk boxes to give you some more horsepower). With option 1 you
will run into problems of using more than one digium card on one box,
although it works, it is not recommended. Consider that a dual xeon
system costs $3000 you will end up paying $7,700 for each pair of 4
adit boxes, and this doesn't even give you the options of adding telco
t1s.

In my opinion using the CMG cards will pay out in every single way
when you are talking of anything more than 2 Adit boxes to a single
system.
Couple observations.
Adit with CMG uses MGCP vs SIP. Not sure how extensive the * support is 
for this. I believe Carrier Access is working on a SIP release but not 
sure how complete it will be. CMG/CMG2 are nice cards. Also have a nice 
license builtin for G729. If you use though you will need a matching 
one for the * server. However there is also a call limit of 12, I 
think, for the CMG and 24 for the CMG2 cards. Depending on application 
you could easily exceed this. So take the 8 T1 capacity with a grain of 
salt, you will not be able to have that may calls up at a time.

Also one of my favorite applications is connecting an Adit directly via 
T1 to a Digium card. Then using another T1 port on the Digium card to 
connect to PRi from PSTN. This is called a traditional TDM switch. No 
IP in the patch, no headaches. Great for such things as FAX and ALARM 
circuits which are very problematic with IP in the path.

It is not always about up front costs but about capabilities and 
support costs down the line.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank or ADIT 600

2005-03-28 Thread C F
 Couple observations.

 Adit with CMG uses MGCP vs SIP. Not sure how extensive the * support is
 for this. I believe Carrier Access is working on a SIP release but not
 sure how complete it will be. CMG/CMG2 are nice cards. Also have a nice
 license builtin for G729. If you use though you will need a matching
 one for the * server. However there is also a call limit of 12, I
 think, for the CMG and 24 for the CMG2 cards. Depending on application
 you could easily exceed this. So take the 8 T1 capacity with a grain of
 salt, you will not be able to have that may calls up at a time.

I researched this before I posted, I was on the phone with Carrier
Access Tech Support for a good hour about the limitations and
capabilities of the CMG cards, the CMG02 will take up to 48
simultaneous calls, unless G729 is used (in which case you are right
and only 24 can be used), since this is all on LAN there is no need
for G729. When I asked them about SIP support, they told me that no
plans as far as he knows for SIP support, but he told me don't quote
me on it (I guess if I add this I'm allowed to quote him), when I
asked him about configuring it with Asterisk he told me that he had
many happy customers that configured it with asterisk, although he
doesn't know asterisk, but that much he knows that ppl have gotten it
to work with asterisk, and they were happy.

 Also one of my favorite applications is connecting an Adit directly via
 T1 to a Digium card. Then using another T1 port on the Digium card to
 connect to PRi from PSTN. This is called a traditional TDM switch. No
 IP in the patch, no headaches. Great for such things as FAX and ALARM
 circuits which are very problematic with IP in the path.

I agree on this one, but still doesn't justify using all TDM, you
could take just one Adit 600 and split half FXO, and the other half
FXS, just for such applications (the FXO for backup and 911).

 It is not always about up front costs but about capabilities and
 support costs down the line.

Right here again, thats why we are having this post.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank or ADIT 600

2005-03-26 Thread C F
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:27:53 +, cmould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How do you integrate talk to the Asterisk server if you are using the
 cmg cards, and what is the cost difference with the CMG cards...
 
I don't know what you mean by talk.
Cost difference:
well this is how I calculated it, one the overall cost of having to
get an asterisk box that needs more CPU, and 2 the actual cost of the
cards to make it work. As well as taking into considiration that adit
is telco grade equipment, and has very good performance.
Option 1: An adit 600 loaded with 6 FXS cards = $800, Digium Quad t1 = $1500.
Option 2: An adit 600 with 5 FXS cards, and 1 CMG02 card = $1500 (Max,
you could get it for cheaper).
Option 1 for 384 (8 * 48) analog ports: 8 * 800 + 2 * 1500 = $9,400.
(around $24.50 per port)
Option 2 for 360 (9 * 40) analog ports: 9 * 1500 = $13,500. ($37.50 per port)
But option 2 can all go on one asterisk box, since it's all voip, and
no transcoding has to take place (in fact it's like getting 9 more
asterisk boxes to give you some more horsepower). With option 1 you
will run into problems of using more than one digium card on one box,
although it works, it is not recommended. Consider that a dual xeon
system costs $3000 you will end up paying $7,700 for each pair of 4
adit boxes, and this doesn't even give you the options of adding telco
t1s.

In my opinion using the CMG cards will pay out in every single way
when you are talking of anything more than 2 Adit boxes to a single
system.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank or ADIT 600

2005-03-25 Thread cmould
How do you integrate talk to the Asterisk server if you are using the 
cmg cards, and what is the cost difference with the CMG cards...

C F wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:36:26 +, cmould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

I am forklifting a Merridian option 51c with 112 Nortel Digital Handsets
and 400 analog units. For the analog units  I have quotes for 9 ADIT 600
48 port fxs units and 17 Rhino 24 port FXS channel banks. I have used
neither.  Which is the best choice? The price difference is not that
great.  I am looking at Citelinks 24 port Handset Gateway for the Nortel
Digital units. (Any other suggestions would be appreciated).
   

I'm actually trying to accomplish the same thing. 360 analog units,
just hung up the phone with carrier access tech support, they where
very helpful. plus this:
http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2004-December/077099.html
looks like I'm going with Adit. But instead of T1 from the Adit to * I
plan on using CMG02 cards with the Adit 600, that gives me 9 Adit
boxes, each one will have 5 FXS cards (5*8=40) and one CMG card,
9*40=360 FXS ports. That will make the Adit handle the bulk of the
transcoding, and hence the CPU eat up.
 

Also how many Asterisk servers would I need to handle 200 IP units in
addition to the the above referenced legacy units? How do I size the
server? Do I put voice mail on a different box?
   

This is only a problem if you will be doing lots of transcoding (Zap 
--  SIP/G729  --  G711), if however you will be staying strictly
VOIP and no codec transcoding (thats why I'm going with the CMG cards
above, although it has to convert from MGCP to SIP, it doesn't eat up
as much as from G711 to G729, or Zap to SIP), then you should't have a
problem using one Dual Xeon box. If you must use telco provided T1s,
you can either use another Adit 600 with a CMG on it, and hand it off
to asterisk that way, or you could have one asterisk box just for the
handling of the T1s, however asterisk with 4 T1s using a Digium quad
T1 card, might (this is from experience, some people do have and
others don't) have some echo problems. The other solution would be to
have the 200 IP units connected to one box, and the analog ones
connected to the other, and then use IAX from box to box, but I'm not
sure it is better. I for myself am thinking of going with Quad Xeon
boxes, an overkill? maybe. But I've never seen anybody crying for
getting a better system than they need.
Putting VM on a different box I don't think will accomplish anything,
maybe make it even worse, since you will need the phone connected
asterisk to bridge the call and open a stream to the voicemail box,
maybe I'm wrong, but this is what I think.
Also don't forget to look at this:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+dimensioning
Hope this helps, what ever your decision please put it on the list so
others know about it. I plan on putting my installation on the wiki
when it is done and running (another 3-4 months).
 

Your comments much appreciated.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank or ADIT 600

2005-03-23 Thread cmould
Thanks.. definately will keep the elist posted. Today I got a cost 
comparison from other PBX vendors and integrating the legacy phones. 
Nortel and Asterisk with the RHINO channel banks are similar (about US$ 
36,000 in equipment costs).
C F wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:36:26 +, cmould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

I am forklifting a Merridian option 51c with 112 Nortel Digital Handsets
and 400 analog units. For the analog units  I have quotes for 9 ADIT 600
48 port fxs units and 17 Rhino 24 port FXS channel banks. I have used
neither.  Which is the best choice? The price difference is not that
great.  I am looking at Citelinks 24 port Handset Gateway for the Nortel
Digital units. (Any other suggestions would be appreciated).
   

I'm actually trying to accomplish the same thing. 360 analog units,
just hung up the phone with carrier access tech support, they where
very helpful. plus this:
http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2004-December/077099.html
looks like I'm going with Adit. But instead of T1 from the Adit to * I
plan on using CMG02 cards with the Adit 600, that gives me 9 Adit
boxes, each one will have 5 FXS cards (5*8=40) and one CMG card,
9*40=360 FXS ports. That will make the Adit handle the bulk of the
transcoding, and hence the CPU eat up.
 

Also how many Asterisk servers would I need to handle 200 IP units in
addition to the the above referenced legacy units? How do I size the
server? Do I put voice mail on a different box?
   

This is only a problem if you will be doing lots of transcoding (Zap 
--  SIP/G729  --  G711), if however you will be staying strictly
VOIP and no codec transcoding (thats why I'm going with the CMG cards
above, although it has to convert from MGCP to SIP, it doesn't eat up
as much as from G711 to G729, or Zap to SIP), then you should't have a
problem using one Dual Xeon box. If you must use telco provided T1s,
you can either use another Adit 600 with a CMG on it, and hand it off
to asterisk that way, or you could have one asterisk box just for the
handling of the T1s, however asterisk with 4 T1s using a Digium quad
T1 card, might (this is from experience, some people do have and
others don't) have some echo problems. The other solution would be to
have the 200 IP units connected to one box, and the analog ones
connected to the other, and then use IAX from box to box, but I'm not
sure it is better. I for myself am thinking of going with Quad Xeon
boxes, an overkill? maybe. But I've never seen anybody crying for
getting a better system than they need.
Putting VM on a different box I don't think will accomplish anything,
maybe make it even worse, since you will need the phone connected
asterisk to bridge the call and open a stream to the voicemail box,
maybe I'm wrong, but this is what I think.
Also don't forget to look at this:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+dimensioning
Hope this helps, what ever your decision please put it on the list so
others know about it. I plan on putting my installation on the wiki
when it is done and running (another 3-4 months).
 

Your comments much appreciated.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank or ADIT 600

2005-03-22 Thread C F
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:36:26 +, cmould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am forklifting a Merridian option 51c with 112 Nortel Digital Handsets
 and 400 analog units. For the analog units  I have quotes for 9 ADIT 600
 48 port fxs units and 17 Rhino 24 port FXS channel banks. I have used
 neither.  Which is the best choice? The price difference is not that
 great.  I am looking at Citelinks 24 port Handset Gateway for the Nortel
 Digital units. (Any other suggestions would be appreciated).

I'm actually trying to accomplish the same thing. 360 analog units,
just hung up the phone with carrier access tech support, they where
very helpful. plus this:
http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2004-December/077099.html
looks like I'm going with Adit. But instead of T1 from the Adit to * I
plan on using CMG02 cards with the Adit 600, that gives me 9 Adit
boxes, each one will have 5 FXS cards (5*8=40) and one CMG card,
9*40=360 FXS ports. That will make the Adit handle the bulk of the
transcoding, and hence the CPU eat up.
 
 Also how many Asterisk servers would I need to handle 200 IP units in
 addition to the the above referenced legacy units? How do I size the
 server? Do I put voice mail on a different box?

This is only a problem if you will be doing lots of transcoding (Zap 
--  SIP/G729  --  G711), if however you will be staying strictly
VOIP and no codec transcoding (thats why I'm going with the CMG cards
above, although it has to convert from MGCP to SIP, it doesn't eat up
as much as from G711 to G729, or Zap to SIP), then you should't have a
problem using one Dual Xeon box. If you must use telco provided T1s,
you can either use another Adit 600 with a CMG on it, and hand it off
to asterisk that way, or you could have one asterisk box just for the
handling of the T1s, however asterisk with 4 T1s using a Digium quad
T1 card, might (this is from experience, some people do have and
others don't) have some echo problems. The other solution would be to
have the 200 IP units connected to one box, and the analog ones
connected to the other, and then use IAX from box to box, but I'm not
sure it is better. I for myself am thinking of going with Quad Xeon
boxes, an overkill? maybe. But I've never seen anybody crying for
getting a better system than they need.

Putting VM on a different box I don't think will accomplish anything,
maybe make it even worse, since you will need the phone connected
asterisk to bridge the call and open a stream to the voicemail box,
maybe I'm wrong, but this is what I think.

Also don't forget to look at this:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+dimensioning

Hope this helps, what ever your decision please put it on the list so
others know about it. I plan on putting my installation on the wiki
when it is done and running (another 3-4 months).

 Your comments much appreciated.
 
 
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[Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank

2004-12-20 Thread Shelton Wardsworth








Has anyone installed or used the Rhino Channel Bank if so
please help. Thank You






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[Asterisk-Users] Rhino channel bank configuration with T100P

2004-10-25 Thread Leandro



Hi,
I just bought a Rhino Channel Bank to use with my 
just bought T100P. Rhino channel bank provide a "autoT1" features that try to 
detect the framing and maybe the coding of the T1. Unfortunately I tried every 
combination of esf, d4 and b89zs and ami without success.

I tried also to manual configure the channel bank 
with the same result... nothing.

Can you provide me some hint on configuring these 
pair of devices?

Leandro
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Rhino channel bank configuration with T100P

2004-10-25 Thread Ulexus
Leandro wrote:
Hi,
I just bought a Rhino Channel Bank to use with my just bought T100P. 
Rhino channel bank provide a autoT1 features that try to detect the 
framing and maybe the coding of the T1. Unfortunately I tried every 
combination of esf, d4 and b89zs and ami without success.
My first guess would be that you are not using a T1 cross-over cable. 
Note that this is _not_ the same as an ethernet cross-over cable.

I believe there is a wiring guide on the wiki, but if not, Google it.
 
I tried also to manual configure the channel bank with the same 
result... nothing.
 
Can you provide me some hint on configuring these pair of devices?
 
Leandro


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank

2003-09-10 Thread fredrik chabot
George Pajari wrote:

FYI I asked them:

 Your website talks about configuring the Rhino channel bank  as 24xFXS.
 Is it possible to mix FXO and FXS modules? What affect does that 
have on pricing?

They replied:

We will have FXO and the ability to mix both FXS  FXO within 60-90 
days.  Our RD department is testing this upgrade as we speak.  
Pricing of this FXS upgrade has not been determined yet.  However, I 
believe the retail price will be near $1,500.

George, thank you again for your interest in the RHINO Channel Bank. 
I will keep your contact information and let you know the moment our
FXO box is ready! 

I'v asked them

The specs mention 24 loop start lines, and 24 FXS lines. I understand loop start lines to mean CO or FXO lines is this correct? 
 

They Rob L. Stewart of Rhine answered on the 28th of Aug

We will support FXO ports by year end. It appears now that our programmers will allow us to configure each channel as either FXO or FXS! This will provide flexibility that is currently not available in the market place!

We will also have an E1 channel bank by year end as well!
 

And in an E-mail on the 2nd of 9

Even though our ability to support FXO may be several months away I will inform you the moment this application is supported by the RHINO Channel Bank.

Asuring me FXO support will be just an software upgrade.

regards Fredrik

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[Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank

2003-09-09 Thread George Pajari
FYI I asked them:

 Your website talks about configuring the Rhino channel bank
 as 24xFXS.
 Is it possible to mix FXO and FXS modules? What affect does
 that have on pricing?
They replied:

We will have FXO and the ability to mix both FXS  FXO within 60-90
days.  Our RD department is testing this upgrade as we speak.  

Pricing of this FXS upgrade has not been determined yet.  However, I
believe the retail price will be near $1,500.
George, thank you again for your interest in the RHINO Channel Bank. 
I will keep your contact information and let you know the moment our
FXO box is ready!


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[Asterisk-Users] Rhino Channel Bank,

2003-07-07 Thread Yoanes Bandung

Back to the discussion at early April 2003,

I have been interested with Rhino Channel Bank, because the price offering
at USD1,295 this time. I was wondering if anyone have any experience with
this.
Also do anyone find the cheaper price, as for your information because of
my region in Indonesia - I couldn't buy any product from ebay. Thank you.


Regards,


Yoanes Bandung.



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