RE: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA
What about IPEYA? Do they have a commercial Asterisk license, or are they breaking GPL also? http://www.ipeya.com/SOHO_Portal.html Regards Garry Taylor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 5:50 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation So all you Sysmaster owners run strings on the 'voipgw' binary that runs on those boxes and you'll see that its asterisk. If you have doubts I'll post more proof. Is that these guys? http://www.sysmaster.com/p_vp_pbx.htm -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA
On 11/12/2004, Garry Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about IPEYA? Do they have a commercial Asterisk license, or are they breaking GPL also? http://www.ipeya.com/SOHO_Portal.html Ya know, this could potentially be a long, ugly and drawn-out issue. Here's why I say so: On the * Wiki you can find a list of Asterisk System vendors worldwide, from whom you can supposedly purchase hardware with Asterisk already installed. I spent a couple of minutes browsing through that very list and found more than a few of them were putting out their own product, without specifying (at least none that I saw) that it was based, or had anything to do, with Asterisk. So the only way for you to know that they are indeed using Asterisk was if you found them from that very list. My company for one has not yet put out an official product based on Asterisk, and as it is perhaps it's a good thing -- I might just wait out until we see the final word on this before embarking on such a venture. All in all, I'll just make sure that when we ship something out we're just going to leave the zap and Asterisk source codes intact in /usr/local/src and not bother to clean it up; the client will have root access and we'll just tell them about the GPL stuff in that directory. would this work? Flynn ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA
-Original Message- From Garry Taylor Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 5:55 AM What about IPEYA? Do they have a commercial Asterisk license, or are they breaking GPL also? http://www.ipeya.com/SOHO_Portal.html Regards Garry Taylor Have you ever had access to an IPEYA box? Does it appear to be Asterisk? If so, was the source included, or was there a written offer for the source? If they are not in compliance with section 3 of the GPL*, and if they have not licensed the code from Digium, then yes they would be in violation of the GPL and thereby, copyright law. * I _Highly_ recommend that everybody read the GPL for themselves. It can be found at http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA
-Original Message- From: Flynn Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:12 AM Ya know, this could potentially be a long, ugly and drawn-out issue. Here's why I say so: On the * Wiki you can find a list of Asterisk System vendors worldwide, from whom you can supposedly purchase hardware with Asterisk already installed. I spent a couple of minutes browsing through that very list and found more than a few of them were putting out their own product, without specifying (at least none that I saw) that it was based, or had anything to do, with Asterisk. So the only way for you to know that they are indeed using Asterisk was if you found them from that very list. My company for one has not yet put out an official product based on Asterisk, and as it is perhaps it's a good thing -- I might just wait out until we see the final word on this before embarking on such a venture. All in all, I'll just make sure that when we ship something out we're just going to leave the zap and Asterisk source codes intact in /usr/local/src and not bother to clean it up; the client will have root access and we'll just tell them about the GPL stuff in that directory. would this work? Flynn Please see section 3A of the GPL which can be found at http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html 3. a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA
I have a friend with one of their boxes, as he is having all sorts of problems with it. It is asterisk, no doubt about it. However, they claim to have written there own overlay on top to do the config. via http. And the FXO/FXS card shipped is the TDM400. No code whatsoever is shipped with the box, source or otherwise. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 9:15 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA -Original Message- From Garry Taylor Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 5:55 AM What about IPEYA? Do they have a commercial Asterisk license, or are they breaking GPL also? http://www.ipeya.com/SOHO_Portal.html Regards Garry Taylor Have you ever had access to an IPEYA box? Does it appear to be Asterisk? If so, was the source included, or was there a written offer for the source? If they are not in compliance with section 3 of the GPL*, and if they have not licensed the code from Digium, then yes they would be in violation of the GPL and thereby, copyright law. * I _Highly_ recommend that everybody read the GPL for themselves. It can be found at http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/aster isk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA
On Friday 12 November 2004 08:53 am, Garry Taylor wrote: I have a friend with one of their boxes, as he is having all sorts of problems with it. It is asterisk, no doubt about it. However, they claim to have written there own overlay on top to do the config. via http. And the FXO/FXS card shipped is the TDM400. No code whatsoever is shipped with the box, source or otherwise. Now it is very good that we all get concerned about Asterisk not being violated. But it's up to Digium, who knows who it has sold a commercial license to and not, to take that action. The correct thing to do is to notify Digium and let them decide what if any should be done. We don't even know who is licensed what way, and this is just creating a vigilante movement based on insufficient knowledge. Further, for Digium to present a list of who does have a commercial license would not be in their interest as that can undermine the customers marketing plans and effective use of their license. So chill out and wait to hear from Digium, don't get into the middle of a legal scene you know nothing about. -- Steve Szmidt They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA
Further, for Digium to present a list of who does have a commercial license would not be in their interest as that can undermine the customers marketing plans and effective use of their license. So chill out and wait to hear from Digium, don't get into the middle of a legal scene you know nothing about. Finally! :) ... Doesn't seem like anyone's considered that Sysmaster MIGHT have already paid Digium, hmm? (Maybe not, but without any authority, it's hard to know. I guess a Sysmaster customer should go bug 'em.) Although, it's certainly more exciting the other way around. -Michael ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA
As of less than a month ago they did not. The bottom line is they even lied to Digium about it till I took proof otherwise to Mark. And chances are if I wouldn't have taken proof to Mark to the otherwise they wouldn't be even talking to Digium about the possibility of a license. If they have since purchased a license from Digium then they have done the right thing. If not they are still in violation of the GPL. I am personally not aware of ANYONE that has a commercial license for Asterisk. I do know of a few exceptions and that's about it. Either way they go the community will benefit. I have not one issue with the doing a commercial license as that will help drive Digium which in turn drives the project. I just feel they went about it the wrong way and being very shady about it even telling me on the phone when I had proof to the otherwise that they wrote it all in house and it was proprietary. Then proceeded to compare Asterisk to the air you breathe and their product to the air you get when you scuba dive. Granted I have never been scuba diving so I can't compare it... but I would think that the air in a scuba tank is better. bkw_ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA
There seems to be some confusion here so I would like to make a few brief comments and will likely not add much to this thread other than these few things: 1) Digium *does* license Asterisk (as we distribute it, no additional features) outside of GPL and we *do* have commercial licensees already. 2) Digium appreciates the community keeping a watchful eye on other products in the marketplace which may be in violation of Asterisk's licensing terms. Please feel free to contact us directly if you have any concerns or questions. 3) I do not wish to comment specifically about Sysmaster's relationship with Digium at this time other than to say we are in contact with them. Thank you again for all of your support in the community. Mark ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA
Mark Spencer wrote: There seems to be some confusion here so I would like to make a few brief comments and will likely not add much to this thread other than these few things: 1) Digium *does* license Asterisk (as we distribute it, no additional features) outside of GPL and we *do* have commercial licensees already. 2) Digium appreciates the community keeping a watchful eye on other products in the marketplace which may be in violation of Asterisk's licensing terms. Please feel free to contact us directly if you have any concerns or questions. 3) I do not wish to comment specifically about Sysmaster's relationship with Digium at this time other than to say we are in contact with them. Thank you again for all of your support in the community. Mark There, you have an answer. Digium is in contact with Sysmaster. It will be resolved one way or another. This is where, on a web-based forum, the Admin would lock the thread... Please, can we call this thread closed? -- Andrew Thompson http://aktzero.com/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SysMaster and GPL Violation -- what about IPEYA
--On Friday, November 12, 2004 10:48 -0600 Brian West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Granted I have never been scuba diving so I can't compare it... but I would think that the air in a scuba tank is better. Actually it can be worse, depends on who compresses it. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
