Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
Bri, Why can't you port the number? Thanks Jamie Fargen Disverge, Inc. CEO, President Brian Capouch wrote: Matt wrote: Indeed.. there is no $40 cancellation fee unless you fail to return their ATA.. then they charge you and it's yours... what you think those devices are free? I'm pretty sure Vonage added that termination fee some fair while after they began offering free ATAs as an inducement to use their service. I signed up in May 2002, and at that time there was no mention of a termination or disconnect fee in their TOS. It wasn't until after a very lively cottage industry sprang up selling cancelled account units on Ebay that they retroactively added that charge. But $40 for a ~$150 ATA was still a good deal for the grifters, and after continuing to take a beating on Ebay, Vonage finally inveighed upon Cisco to put the nuclear option password on the unit, which made it a brick if one didn't know the magic string. An irony quickly followed: Cisco wasn't all too keen on doing that change; they were aware of the negative PR that would follow when they would be forced to tell people, Nope, you have to just send it to a landfill. But within months of Cisco's reluctant accomodation, Vonage dropped them like a hot potato when Motorola walked in the door with an ATA that was .0001 cents cheaper per unit. Ha ha. Vonage sucks, and if I could port that number I've had now for almost three years, I would drop them just like they did Cisco. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
I too have heard of people persuading a vonage tech to provide the password to log into and factory reset their device, but I get the impression that it is an uncommon occurrence.. you'd be lucky, basically. I have an ATA-186 that Vonage unlocked for me. They used to just charge $20 or so (on top of the cancellation fee) to unlock any device that wasn't active. You'll have to get through their first line of support and eventually transferred. They *may* have changed the policy with the linksys boxes, as they couldn't do it when they first came out (I tried). Now that linksys sells an unlocked version they may well be willing though. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
Indeed.. there is no $40 cancellation fee unless you fail to return their ATA.. then they charge you and it's yours... what you think those devices are free? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
I too have heard of people persuading a vonage tech to provide the password to log into and factory reset their device, but I get the impression that it is an uncommon occurrence.. you'd be lucky, basically. I have an ATA-186 that Vonage unlocked for me. They used to just charge $20 or so (on top of the cancellation fee) to unlock any device that wasn't active. You'll have to get through their first line of support and eventually transferred. They *may* have changed the policy with the linksys boxes, as they couldn't do it when they first came out (I tried). Now that linksys sells an unlocked version they may well be willing though. We are an authorized Linksys service provider (meaning we can buy Linksys ata's for use with our service from distribution) and I know from our agreement that vonage, or any other itsp, is prohibited from making the Linksys ata's available in an unprovisioned state. Even the NA product can only be sold to authorized itsp. I think this is why vonage will not unlock the Linksys for you. If it gets back to Linksys that they did it they will get a hand slap from Linksys. Why not just return the Linksys to vonage, get your 40 bucks back, and buy the sipura spa2000? They are the same thing, also sold under the vegastream brand. If you really want to try to hack the Linksys try looking for information on how to recover a sipura password, not sure it exists, but you might have better luck. In the end you will probably just end up with a $40 paperweight. If you are successful and post the process you will make a lot of unhappy ex-vonage customers happy and Linksys and vonage not so happy :) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
Matt wrote: Indeed.. there is no $40 cancellation fee unless you fail to return their ATA.. then they charge you and it's yours... what you think those devices are free? I'm pretty sure Vonage added that termination fee some fair while after they began offering free ATAs as an inducement to use their service. I signed up in May 2002, and at that time there was no mention of a termination or disconnect fee in their TOS. It wasn't until after a very lively cottage industry sprang up selling cancelled account units on Ebay that they retroactively added that charge. But $40 for a ~$150 ATA was still a good deal for the grifters, and after continuing to take a beating on Ebay, Vonage finally inveighed upon Cisco to put the nuclear option password on the unit, which made it a brick if one didn't know the magic string. An irony quickly followed: Cisco wasn't all too keen on doing that change; they were aware of the negative PR that would follow when they would be forced to tell people, Nope, you have to just send it to a landfill. But within months of Cisco's reluctant accomodation, Vonage dropped them like a hot potato when Motorola walked in the door with an ATA that was .0001 cents cheaper per unit. Ha ha. Vonage sucks, and if I could port that number I've had now for almost three years, I would drop them just like they did Cisco. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
Brian, are you sure you cant port your number aware from Vonage? I was at a VOIP conference last week and the Vonage spokesman said quite clearly that Vonage allowed people to port numbers out - although he did say that not all carriers were set up to receive them. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Capouch Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:31 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage Matt wrote: Indeed.. there is no $40 cancellation fee unless you fail to return their ATA.. then they charge you and it's yours... what you think those devices are free? I'm pretty sure Vonage added that termination fee some fair while after they began offering free ATAs as an inducement to use their service. I signed up in May 2002, and at that time there was no mention of a termination or disconnect fee in their TOS. It wasn't until after a very lively cottage industry sprang up selling cancelled account units on Ebay that they retroactively added that charge. But $40 for a ~$150 ATA was still a good deal for the grifters, and after continuing to take a beating on Ebay, Vonage finally inveighed upon Cisco to put the nuclear option password on the unit, which made it a brick if one didn't know the magic string. An irony quickly followed: Cisco wasn't all too keen on doing that change; they were aware of the negative PR that would follow when they would be forced to tell people, Nope, you have to just send it to a landfill. But within months of Cisco's reluctant accomodation, Vonage dropped them like a hot potato when Motorola walked in the door with an ATA that was .0001 cents cheaper per unit. Ha ha. Vonage sucks, and if I could port that number I've had now for almost three years, I would drop them just like they did Cisco. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
Why not just return the Linksys to vonage, get your 40 bucks back, and buy the sipura spa2000? They are the same thing, also sold under the vegastream brand. Or, why don't you return it to Vonage, get your $40 bucks, then buy a P2P-NA from eezeephone.com at $59 + $10 shipping ? For only $30 you'll have the same device but not locked. N.B.: the site is down now, the server crashed today ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
Why not just return the Linksys to vonage, get your 40 bucks back, and buy the sipura spa2000? They are the same thing, also sold under the vegastream brand. Or, why don't you return it to Vonage, get your $40 bucks, then buy a -NA from eezeephone.com ? N.B.: the site is down now, the server crashed today ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
I setup a vonage account last year, and cancelled it last night when I put my asterisk box together and signed up for a Broadvoice account to use with it. Now I would like to use my Linksys router as an MTA, but realize it is still programmed with all of vonage's proprietary information and I do not know how to clear it. I understand that just pushing the reset button will not do it. I've read that someone was able to do it by contacting vonage and getting instructions for clearing the router of the vonage information. Does anyone have the instructions for completing this or is this something that only the vonage people can provide. I've spent the last 2 hours and 30 minutes in the vonage phone system trying to get to tech support to find out how to do this without any luck. Their phone system and indeed their customer support in general is really lacking. (On top of which, they charged me a $40 termination fee to terminate my account - just a parting shot I guess). If anyone has any suggestions, or the instructions for clearing the MTA on this linksys router, I'd be very greatful. GP -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
GP wrote: I setup a vonage account last year, and cancelled it last night when I put my asterisk box together and signed up for a Broadvoice account to use with it. Now I would like to use my Linksys router as an MTA, but realize it is still programmed with all of vonage's proprietary information and I do not know how to clear it. I understand that just pushing the reset button will not do it. I've read that someone was able to do it by contacting vonage and getting instructions for clearing the router of the vonage information. Does anyone have the instructions for completing this or is this something that only the vonage people can provide. I've spent the last 2 hours and 30 minutes in the vonage phone system trying to get to tech support to find out how to do this without any luck. Their phone system and indeed their customer support in general is really lacking. (On top of which, they charged me a $40 termination fee to terminate my account - just a parting shot I guess). If anyone has any suggestions, or the instructions for clearing the MTA on this linksys router, I'd be very greatful. GP The PAP2-NA's have a web interface. I realize you don't have a -NA2 but you could try it. -Matthew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, GP wrote: I've read that someone was able to do it by contacting vonage and getting instructions for clearing the router of the vonage information. Does anyone have the instructions for completing this or is this something that only the vonage people can provide. I've spent the last 2 hours and 30 minutes in the vonage phone system trying to get to tech support to find out how to do this without any luck. Their phone system and indeed their customer support in general is really lacking. on the Cisco ATA-186s which they used to use (before Cisco EOL'ed them) Vonage had them configured to use a (64-bit?) RC4 key to encrypt the configuration and programmed a random password to each device. Every time an account change prompted an update to the ATA's configuration, it would be encrypted with a new RC4 key and get a new password. So don't expect to find a universal back-door password, I doubt you'll find one. I too have heard of people persuading a vonage tech to provide the password to log into and factory reset their device, but I get the impression that it is an uncommon occurrence.. you'd be lucky, basically. (On top of which, they charged me a $40 termination fee to terminate my account - just a parting shot I guess). yup.. That right there was the primary reason why I skipped over them in the beginning. It's buried in their terms of service somewhere, along with all their other over-restrictive junk.. If anyone has any suggestions, or the instructions for clearing the MTA on this linksys router, I'd be very greatful. you could try faking out the box by setting up some DNS and network spoofing to make the box think it is talking to vonage when in fact it is talking to your * box. If you use autocreatepeer in sip.conf then * will accept connections from the PAP2 even though you haven't added the credentials in sip.conf. This is quite a kludge, however.. When it comes down to it, I think Vonage thinks it is better to make people throw equipment away rather than allow it to be reused. Greg ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage Linksys Router - Life after Vonage
(On top of which, they charged me a $40 termination fee to terminate my account - just a parting shot I guess). People need to read the fine print more. From Vonage's website: If you cancel after the first 14 days of service, you will be subject to the $39.99 termination fee. If you return the device, we will refund the termination fee. The $40 termination fee isn't a stab in the back for leaving them. It's an assurance that you return their hardware. If you don't return it, you just bought it regards, Paul ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
