Re: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

2005-03-09 Thread Alex Litvak




The only reason i like this card, it is a cheap RTC which we need for conferencing. We also used ztdummy but Dell Poweredge servers we use, have ohci USB and ztdummy only works with uhci. I wish some one would come up with some other means to have RTC. :-(

On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 12:30 -0600, Steven Critchfield wrote:


On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 09:56 -0800, Spencer Nassar wrote:
 I'm looking to add a single FXO port to my Asterisk box.  It looks like 
 my options are a Digium Wildcard X100P off eBay for $6.99, or a 
 Wildcard TDM400P with an FXO Module from Digium for $125.
 
 Can anyone explain the tradeoffs (other than the ability to put 4 
 FXO/FSO modules on the TDM400P).  What about RTC for the system - I 
 know the TDM400P provides it.  Does the X100P?

The X100P you are seeing on Ebay are not from Digium. They do not come
with support time from Digium. They seem to only support US style analog
lines(600ohm). If you have trouble, you are most likely on your own.

TDM400P with FXO daughter card includes 1 hour of Digium support. It is
supposed to support other line types. If you have trouble, it is likely
you will get direct support from Digium and from the community here. 

TDM400P card is also capable of adding more ports without increasing
interupts on your server. If you need to add another X100P later on,
that will double the interupt load on the machine.

With no one really making much money on the X100P card and I don't think
anyone is making them anymore, you may not get new features added to the
driver. The TDM400P card will probably be developed for a while to come
as it the current option. 





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[Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

2005-03-08 Thread Spencer Nassar
I'm looking to add a single FXO port to my Asterisk box.  It looks like 
my options are a Digium Wildcard X100P off eBay for $6.99, or a 
Wildcard TDM400P with an FXO Module from Digium for $125.

Can anyone explain the tradeoffs (other than the ability to put 4 
FXO/FSO modules on the TDM400P).  What about RTC for the system - I 
know the TDM400P provides it.  Does the X100P?

Thanks!
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

2005-03-08 Thread Wiley Siler
Port count should be the only net difference.

W
 

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Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

I'm looking to add a single FXO port to my Asterisk box.  It looks like
my options are a Digium Wildcard X100P off eBay for $6.99, or a Wildcard
TDM400P with an FXO Module from Digium for $125.

Can anyone explain the tradeoffs (other than the ability to put 4
FXO/FSO modules on the TDM400P).  What about RTC for the system - I know
the TDM400P provides it.  Does the X100P?

Thanks!

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

2005-03-08 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 09:56 -0800, Spencer Nassar wrote:
 I'm looking to add a single FXO port to my Asterisk box.  It looks like 
 my options are a Digium Wildcard X100P off eBay for $6.99, or a 
 Wildcard TDM400P with an FXO Module from Digium for $125.
 
 Can anyone explain the tradeoffs (other than the ability to put 4 
 FXO/FSO modules on the TDM400P).  What about RTC for the system - I 
 know the TDM400P provides it.  Does the X100P?

The X100P you are seeing on Ebay are not from Digium. They do not come
with support time from Digium. They seem to only support US style analog
lines(600ohm). If you have trouble, you are most likely on your own.

TDM400P with FXO daughter card includes 1 hour of Digium support. It is
supposed to support other line types. If you have trouble, it is likely
you will get direct support from Digium and from the community here. 

TDM400P card is also capable of adding more ports without increasing
interupts on your server. If you need to add another X100P later on,
that will double the interupt load on the machine.

With no one really making much money on the X100P card and I don't think
anyone is making them anymore, you may not get new features added to the
driver. The TDM400P card will probably be developed for a while to come
as it the current option. 
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

2005-03-08 Thread Wiley Siler
Steven is totally right BTW.  No support for clones.

However, I will tell you this.  I built my first box with a clone so I
could see if I could do all I needed on this system.  Then I promptly
purchased my two TDM400s for my 8 POTS lines.  Wish it were PRI but
those are the breaks for this building.  

My recommendation is that you can test with a clone but when it comes
time to build for real, put your money where it counts and get original
Digium equipment.  You get the support and you are giving back to the
people who released Asterisk at NO CHARGE in the first place.  If that
is not motivation enough, I can guarantee that the clone equipment does
not work as good as the real thing.  

Good site to buy from
http://www.thevoipconnection.com

$0.02.  Good luck!

Wiley






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Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 09:56 -0800, Spencer Nassar wrote:
 I'm looking to add a single FXO port to my Asterisk box.  It looks 
 like my options are a Digium Wildcard X100P off eBay for $6.99, or a 
 Wildcard TDM400P with an FXO Module from Digium for $125.
 
 Can anyone explain the tradeoffs (other than the ability to put 4 
 FXO/FSO modules on the TDM400P).  What about RTC for the system - I 
 know the TDM400P provides it.  Does the X100P?

The X100P you are seeing on Ebay are not from Digium. They do not come
with support time from Digium. They seem to only support US style analog
lines(600ohm). If you have trouble, you are most likely on your own.

TDM400P with FXO daughter card includes 1 hour of Digium support. It is
supposed to support other line types. If you have trouble, it is likely
you will get direct support from Digium and from the community here. 

TDM400P card is also capable of adding more ports without increasing
interupts on your server. If you need to add another X100P later on,
that will double the interupt load on the machine.

With no one really making much money on the X100P card and I don't think
anyone is making them anymore, you may not get new features added to the
driver. The TDM400P card will probably be developed for a while to come
as it the current option. 
--
Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

2005-03-08 Thread Steve Prior
Steven Critchfield wrote:
TDM400P with FXO daughter card includes 1 hour of Digium support. It is
supposed to support other line types. If you have trouble, it is likely
you will get direct support from Digium and from the community here. 
It should be noted that several people including myself are having voicemail
volume problems with the TDM400P (is anyone having it with the X100P?) which
for us makes the card unusable for what was intended (a basic home PBX/answering
machine).
This is documented in bug #2023:
http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0002023
You'll also notice that it has been dormant for quite some time.
Steve
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

2005-03-08 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 13:46 -0500, Steve Prior wrote:
 Steven Critchfield wrote:
 
  TDM400P with FXO daughter card includes 1 hour of Digium support. It is
  supposed to support other line types. If you have trouble, it is likely
  you will get direct support from Digium and from the community here. 
 
 It should be noted that several people including myself are having voicemail
 volume problems with the TDM400P (is anyone having it with the X100P?) which
 for us makes the card unusable for what was intended (a basic home 
 PBX/answering
 machine).
 
 This is documented in bug #2023:
 http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0002023
 
 You'll also notice that it has been dormant for quite some time.

Voicemail volume is not related to the card you use. If it was related
to the card used, you wouldn't have the separation needed to make all
the interfaces work.

Voicemail volume is usually complained about by people not using
standard wav format. It is due to the volume of wav files being
manipulated at write time where as all other formats are as they come
off of the line.  
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

2005-03-08 Thread Rich Adamson
   TDM400P with FXO daughter card includes 1 hour of Digium support. It is
   supposed to support other line types. If you have trouble, it is likely
   you will get direct support from Digium and from the community here. 
  
  It should be noted that several people including myself are having voicemail
  volume problems with the TDM400P (is anyone having it with the X100P?) which
  for us makes the card unusable for what was intended (a basic home 
  PBX/answering
  machine).
  
  This is documented in bug #2023:
  http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0002023
  
  You'll also notice that it has been dormant for quite some time.
 
 Voicemail volume is not related to the card you use. If it was related
 to the card used, you wouldn't have the separation needed to make all
 the interfaces work.
 
 Voicemail volume is usually complained about by people not using
 standard wav format. It is due to the volume of wav files being
 manipulated at write time where as all other formats are as they come
 off of the line.  

Steve, help me understand exactly what you said above. Having problems
with to the card you use and related to the card used.

Also, please clearify not using standard wav format. Does that truly
mean recording voicemail messages in gsm format is the cause for the
additional 10db of loss measured and noted in bug 2023?

If that's the case, then why has bug 2023 been lurking without any such
comments for many many months?

Rich


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

2005-03-08 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 13:24 -0600, Rich Adamson wrote:
TDM400P with FXO daughter card includes 1 hour of Digium support. It is
supposed to support other line types. If you have trouble, it is likely
you will get direct support from Digium and from the community here. 
   
   It should be noted that several people including myself are having 
   voicemail
   volume problems with the TDM400P (is anyone having it with the X100P?) 
   which
   for us makes the card unusable for what was intended (a basic home 
   PBX/answering
   machine).
   
   This is documented in bug #2023:
   http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0002023
   
   You'll also notice that it has been dormant for quite some time.
  
  Voicemail volume is not related to the card you use. If it was related
  to the card used, you wouldn't have the separation needed to make all
  the interfaces work.
  
  Voicemail volume is usually complained about by people not using
  standard wav format. It is due to the volume of wav files being
  manipulated at write time where as all other formats are as they come
  off of the line.  
 
 Steve, help me understand exactly what you said above. Having problems
 with to the card you use and related to the card used.

By the time any audio makes it to voicemail, it has been normalized
into ast_frames. The source of audio is not relevant to the voicemail
app.  

 Also, please clearify not using standard wav format. Does that truly
 mean recording voicemail messages in gsm format is the cause for the
 additional 10db of loss measured and noted in bug 2023?

I don't know or care how you are measuring a 10db loss. I know for a
fact that in format_wav.c there is a section of code that effectively
doubles the volume as it is saving and removes the doubling on playback.
No other audio format is given the same treatment.

 If that's the case, then why has bug 2023 been lurking without any such
 comments for many many months?

If it is lurking for 10 months it is because no one cares to read it. I
promise you I don't look at any bug unless it is mentioned on a list as
is pertaining to code I am running. I have so little time now, I don't
go looking for needles in haystacks that I don't need.
-- 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

2005-03-08 Thread Rich Adamson
 On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 13:24 -0600, Rich Adamson wrote:
 TDM400P with FXO daughter card includes 1 hour of Digium support. It 
 is
 supposed to support other line types. If you have trouble, it is 
 likely
 you will get direct support from Digium and from the community here. 

It should be noted that several people including myself are having 
voicemail
volume problems with the TDM400P (is anyone having it with the X100P?) 
which
for us makes the card unusable for what was intended (a basic home 
PBX/answering
machine).

This is documented in bug #2023:
http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0002023

You'll also notice that it has been dormant for quite some time.
   
   Voicemail volume is not related to the card you use. If it was related
   to the card used, you wouldn't have the separation needed to make all
   the interfaces work.
   
   Voicemail volume is usually complained about by people not using
   standard wav format. It is due to the volume of wav files being
   manipulated at write time where as all other formats are as they come
   off of the line.  
  
  Steve, help me understand exactly what you said above. Having problems
  with to the card you use and related to the card used.
 
 By the time any audio makes it to voicemail, it has been normalized
 into ast_frames. The source of audio is not relevant to the voicemail
 app.  
 
  Also, please clearify not using standard wav format. Does that truly
  mean recording voicemail messages in gsm format is the cause for the
  additional 10db of loss measured and noted in bug 2023?
 
 I don't know or care how you are measuring a 10db loss. I know for a
 fact that in format_wav.c there is a section of code that effectively
 doubles the volume as it is saving and removes the doubling on playback.
 No other audio format is given the same treatment.
 
  If that's the case, then why has bug 2023 been lurking without any such
  comments for many many months?
 
 If it is lurking for 10 months it is because no one cares to read it. I
 promise you I don't look at any bug unless it is mentioned on a list as
 is pertaining to code I am running. I have so little time now, I don't
 go looking for needles in haystacks that I don't need.

The only reason for questioning the above is that Mark (and several others)
have contributed various comments to bug 2022 and 2023, but at no time
have any of them ever mentioned comments relative to wav vs other file 
formats, and effectively have left the bug unresolved.

Rich


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Wildcard X100P or TDM400P?

2005-03-08 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 14:27 -0600, Rich Adamson wrote:
  On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 13:24 -0600, Rich Adamson wrote:

   If that's the case, then why has bug 2023 been lurking without any such
   comments for many many months?
  
  If it is lurking for 10 months it is because no one cares to read it. I
  promise you I don't look at any bug unless it is mentioned on a list as
  is pertaining to code I am running. I have so little time now, I don't
  go looking for needles in haystacks that I don't need.
 
 The only reason for questioning the above is that Mark (and several others)
 have contributed various comments to bug 2022 and 2023, but at no time
 have any of them ever mentioned comments relative to wav vs other file 
 formats, and effectively have left the bug unresolved.

Go look at the code for format_wav.c. I have code in there and have
actually looked at it myself.

This is at line 64 of my code base.
#define GAIN 2  /* 2^GAIN is the multiple to increase the volume by */

And this around line 480 in the wav_write function.
if (fs-buf) {
tmpi = f-data;
/* Volume adjust here to accomodate */
for (x=0;xf-datalen/2;x++) {
tmpf = ((float)tmpi[x]) * ((float)(1  GAIN));
if (tmpf  32767.0)
tmpf = 32767.0;
if (tmpf  -32768.0)
tmpf = -32768.0;
tmp[x] = tmpf;
tmp[x] = ~((1  GAIN) - 1);

f is the frame to be written. f-data is the audio data to be written.
The for loop just uses pointer math to traverse each sample of the
buffer and increase the volume of the sample with clipping control.
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