Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-11 Thread steve


On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Kevin Bockman wrote:

> Waldo Rubinstein wrote:
> > One T1 is with one carrier, who provides timing signal.
> > 
> > The other 3 T1s are from a different carrier, all sharing the same  
> > timing signal.
> > 
> > Based on this, I have in /etc/zaptel.conf something like:


I expect that you'll find that the two carriers are actually in clock sync 
anyway.

Steve

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-10 Thread Steve Underwood

Rich Adamson wrote:

Yes, but the problem is, I think from a T1 theoretical perspective,  
that because the T1s are from different providers, their timings may  
be different. I would assume that I need to be able specify a timing  
source per provider. Correct?
   



No, all real telco's will sync against a higher level clock, so 
"they" are already in sync. You only need to pick "one" that you sync 
from; all others become alternates should the primary source fail.
 

Public telephone exchanges normally contain an atomic (rhubidium) clock. 
The clock in a T1 or E1 from a telco is, therefore, extremely accurate. 
Even if two telcos in different parts of the world don't sync together 
(some do, and some don't) their clocks are still, essentially, in sync. 
This also means that if you derive all your VoIP timing from a public E1 
or T1 clock, and a box the other side of the world does the same, the 
VoIP packets exchanged between them should show no noticable timing 
shifts. :-)


Steve

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-10 Thread Rich Adamson

> Yes, but the problem is, I think from a T1 theoretical perspective,  
> that because the T1s are from different providers, their timings may  
> be different. I would assume that I need to be able specify a timing  
> source per provider. Correct?

No, all real telco's will sync against a higher level clock, so 
"they" are already in sync. You only need to pick "one" that you sync 
from; all others become alternates should the primary source fail.


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Waldo Rubinstein

Thanks. I now understand it from everyone's comments.

- Waldo

On Nov 9, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Bart Fisher wrote:


I don't understand your question - so I'll tell you what to do:

Select one timing source from one T1 that is a Telco connected T1  
and make it 1 - example: most reliable T1 Source.


If there is two Telco connected T1, select it as source 2

Now if timing source 1 goes down, timing source 2 will take over.

Bart



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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source


These are REAL Telco T1s and not connected to a PBX. Am I to  
assume  that even if they are different providers the timing  
should be the  same? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


Thanks,
Waldo

On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Bart Fisher wrote:

My understanding there should only be one timing source per  
TE410.   You should use  a "REAL" Telco T1 for a timing source. -  
Otherwise,  do not choose any if for example all PBX T1's  
installed.  The  settings is only a priority level for asterisk  
to obtain the  source.  Example: 1 = use this source first  
choice, 2 = use this  source if source 1 is down, and so on..


Bart


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To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"  


Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source



Hi guys,

I have a question about the timing source parameter in zaptel.conf.

I have 4 T1s coming into a TE410P.

One T1 is with one carrier, who provides timing signal.

The other 3 T1s are from a different carrier, all sharing the   
same timing signal.


Based on this, I have in /etc/zaptel.conf something like:


span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=1-24

span=2,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=25-48

span=3,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=49-72

span=4,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=73-96

What I have done is set the timing source of the first T1 to be   
the primary source for itself.


For the other three T1s, I set the second T1 to be the primary   
source for the group of 3 and the other two as secondary sources.


Is this correct?

The reason I ask is because every so often I hear people   
complaint about call drops. It doesn't happen to everyone, so I   
don't know if  it has anything to do with time source selection   
and synchronization issues that may be affecting individual   
channels. After a report of a call drop, I check dmesg and I   
don't really see any errors. Sometimes I just see ... disable   
echo cancel... messages on specific channels, but that  
shouldn't  be a reason to drop a call.


Am I right? Any ideas?

Thanks,
Waldo
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Kevin P. Fleming

Waldo Rubinstein wrote:
Yes, but the problem is, I think from a T1 theoretical perspective,  
that because the T1s are from different providers, their timings may  be 
different. I would assume that I need to be able specify a timing  
source per provider. Correct?


The dual and quad span Digium T1 cards cannot support that mode; all the 
transmit clocks are slaved to a single source, which can either be the 
onboard clock or one of the span receive clocks.


This will likely work just fine for you if your providers' clocks run at 
the same frequency (as they should) but are not in sync with each other; 
if there is a frequency difference between them then you could have 
frame slips.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Waldo Rubinstein

Thanks. Got it.

- Waldo

On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Don Pobanz wrote:


Waldo Rubinstein wrote:

span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=1-24
span=2,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=25-48
span=3,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=49-72
span=4,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=73-96


You are misunderstanding the span provisioning. There is ONE clock  
in the TE410P card. This clock can either free run or get it's  
timing (sync) from one of the T1's. If the specified T1 is not  
available it can be told to look at a second t1 or third or fourth.  
If span 1 is the carrier with the timing source, try setting it up  
like this.


 span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
 e&m=1-24

 span=2,2,0,esf,b8zs
 e&m=25-48

 span=3,3,0,esf,b8zs
 e&m=49-72

 span=4,4,0,esf,b8zs
 e&m=73-96

This says use the timing from span 1 if span 1 is up, span 2 if  
span 1 is down, span 3 if span 1 & 2 are down, span 4 if spans  
1,2,3 are down.


Don Pobanz
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Don Pobanz

Waldo Rubinstein wrote:
These are REAL Telco T1s and not connected to a PBX. Am I to assume  
that even if they are different providers the timing should be the  
same? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


In general even different providers should have the 'same' timing. Each 
telco should be able to trace their timing back to a stratum 1 clock 
(very accurate clock). Two stratum 1 clocks will look like they are 
timed together even if they aren't. If the telcos can trace their timing 
back to a stratum one clock, you won't have any timing problems with them.


Don Pobanz

Ps. When I first started work at the local telco in the late 80s, we 
derived our timing from one long distance carrier and used this same 
timing for all carriers and customers.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Bart Fisher

I don't understand your question - so I'll tell you what to do:

Select one timing source from one T1 that is a Telco connected T1 and make 
it 1 - example: most reliable T1 Source.


If there is two Telco connected T1, select it as source 2

Now if timing source 1 goes down, timing source 2 will take over.

Bart



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From: "Waldo Rubinstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" 


Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source


These are REAL Telco T1s and not connected to a PBX. Am I to assume  that 
even if they are different providers the timing should be the  same? That 
doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


Thanks,
Waldo

On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Bart Fisher wrote:

My understanding there should only be one timing source per TE410.   You 
should use  a "REAL" Telco T1 for a timing source. - Otherwise,  do not 
choose any if for example all PBX T1's installed.  The  settings is only 
a priority level for asterisk to obtain the  source.  Example: 1 = use 
this source first choice, 2 = use this  source if source 1 is down, and 
so on..


Bart


- Original Message - From: "Waldo Rubinstein" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" 


Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source



Hi guys,

I have a question about the timing source parameter in zaptel.conf.

I have 4 T1s coming into a TE410P.

One T1 is with one carrier, who provides timing signal.

The other 3 T1s are from a different carrier, all sharing the  same 
timing signal.


Based on this, I have in /etc/zaptel.conf something like:


span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=1-24

span=2,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=25-48

span=3,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=49-72

span=4,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=73-96

What I have done is set the timing source of the first T1 to be  the 
primary source for itself.


For the other three T1s, I set the second T1 to be the primary  source 
for the group of 3 and the other two as secondary sources.


Is this correct?

The reason I ask is because every so often I hear people  complaint 
about call drops. It doesn't happen to everyone, so I  don't know if  it 
has anything to do with time source selection  and synchronization 
issues that may be affecting individual  channels. After a report of a 
call drop, I check dmesg and I  don't really see any errors. Sometimes 
I just see ... disable  echo cancel... messages on specific channels, 
but that shouldn't  be a reason to drop a call.


Am I right? Any ideas?

Thanks,
Waldo
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Greg Oliver
Circuit timing is only to let the hardware know how to keep in sync with
framing and what it is supposed to be.  T1 timing will always be the
same, so syncing your card to any of them will be fine.  Syncing to 2 -
1 as backup would be best, etc..

Timing has nothing to do with the remote end - it remains local.  If you
have your own stratum source, you could use it instead of "line".

-Greg

On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 13:06 -0500, Waldo Rubinstein wrote:
> These are REAL Telco T1s and not connected to a PBX. Am I to assume  
> that even if they are different providers the timing should be the  
> same? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
> 
> Thanks,
> Waldo
> 
> On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Bart Fisher wrote:
> 
> > My understanding there should only be one timing source per TE410.   
> > You should use  a "REAL" Telco T1 for a timing source. - Otherwise,  
> > do not choose any if for example all PBX T1's installed.  The  
> > settings is only a priority level for asterisk to obtain the  
> > source.  Example: 1 = use this source first choice, 2 = use this  
> > source if source 1 is down, and so on..
> >
> > Bart
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Waldo Rubinstein"  
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"  
> > 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:12 AM
> > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source
> >
> >
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> I have a question about the timing source parameter in zaptel.conf.
> >>
> >> I have 4 T1s coming into a TE410P.
> >>
> >> One T1 is with one carrier, who provides timing signal.
> >>
> >> The other 3 T1s are from a different carrier, all sharing the  
> >> same  timing signal.
> >>
> >> Based on this, I have in /etc/zaptel.conf something like:
> >>
> >>
> >> span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
> >> e&m=1-24
> >>
> >> span=2,1,0,esf,b8zs
> >> e&m=25-48
> >>
> >> span=3,2,0,esf,b8zs
> >> e&m=49-72
> >>
> >> span=4,2,0,esf,b8zs
> >> e&m=73-96
> >>
> >> What I have done is set the timing source of the first T1 to be  
> >> the primary source for itself.
> >>
> >> For the other three T1s, I set the second T1 to be the primary  
> >> source  for the group of 3 and the other two as secondary sources.
> >>
> >> Is this correct?
> >>
> >> The reason I ask is because every so often I hear people  
> >> complaint  about call drops. It doesn't happen to everyone, so I  
> >> don't know if  it has anything to do with time source selection  
> >> and synchronization  issues that may be affecting individual  
> >> channels. After a report of a  call drop, I check dmesg and I  
> >> don't really see any errors. Sometimes  I just see ... disable  
> >> echo cancel... messages on specific channels,  but that shouldn't  
> >> be a reason to drop a call.
> >>
> >> Am I right? Any ideas?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Waldo
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Don Pobanz

Waldo Rubinstein wrote:

span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=1-24

span=2,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=25-48

span=3,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=49-72

span=4,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=73-96


You are misunderstanding the span provisioning. There is ONE clock in 
the TE410P card. This clock can either free run or get it's timing 
(sync) from one of the T1's. If the specified T1 is not available it can 
be told to look at a second t1 or third or fourth. If span 1 is the 
carrier with the timing source, try setting it up like this.


 span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
 e&m=1-24

 span=2,2,0,esf,b8zs
 e&m=25-48

 span=3,3,0,esf,b8zs
 e&m=49-72

 span=4,4,0,esf,b8zs
 e&m=73-96

This says use the timing from span 1 if span 1 is up, span 2 if span 1 
is down, span 3 if span 1 & 2 are down, span 4 if spans 1,2,3 are down.


Don Pobanz
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Waldo Rubinstein
These are REAL Telco T1s and not connected to a PBX. Am I to assume  
that even if they are different providers the timing should be the  
same? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


Thanks,
Waldo

On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Bart Fisher wrote:

My understanding there should only be one timing source per TE410.   
You should use  a "REAL" Telco T1 for a timing source. - Otherwise,  
do not choose any if for example all PBX T1's installed.  The  
settings is only a priority level for asterisk to obtain the  
source.  Example: 1 = use this source first choice, 2 = use this  
source if source 1 is down, and so on..


Bart


- Original Message - From: "Waldo Rubinstein"  
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To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"  


Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source



Hi guys,

I have a question about the timing source parameter in zaptel.conf.

I have 4 T1s coming into a TE410P.

One T1 is with one carrier, who provides timing signal.

The other 3 T1s are from a different carrier, all sharing the  
same  timing signal.


Based on this, I have in /etc/zaptel.conf something like:


span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=1-24

span=2,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=25-48

span=3,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=49-72

span=4,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=73-96

What I have done is set the timing source of the first T1 to be  
the primary source for itself.


For the other three T1s, I set the second T1 to be the primary  
source  for the group of 3 and the other two as secondary sources.


Is this correct?

The reason I ask is because every so often I hear people  
complaint  about call drops. It doesn't happen to everyone, so I  
don't know if  it has anything to do with time source selection  
and synchronization  issues that may be affecting individual  
channels. After a report of a  call drop, I check dmesg and I  
don't really see any errors. Sometimes  I just see ... disable  
echo cancel... messages on specific channels,  but that shouldn't  
be a reason to drop a call.


Am I right? Any ideas?

Thanks,
Waldo
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Waldo Rubinstein
Yes, but the problem is, I think from a T1 theoretical perspective,  
that because the T1s are from different providers, their timings may  
be different. I would assume that I need to be able specify a timing  
source per provider. Correct?


Thanks,
Waldo

On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Kevin Bockman wrote:


Waldo Rubinstein wrote:

One T1 is with one carrier, who provides timing signal.
The other 3 T1s are from a different carrier, all sharing the  
same  timing signal.

Based on this, I have in /etc/zaptel.conf something like:
span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=1-24
span=2,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=25-48
span=3,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=49-72
span=4,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=73-96
I don't think there is such a thing as 'timing groups' like you are  
thinking about.  The primary option for timing is 1, and secondary  
is 2, third is 3, etc.  If 1 is down, it goes 2 to, etc.


I'm just learning myself, but I'm  pretty sure it should be:

span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=1-24

span=2,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=25-48

span=3,3,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=49-72

span=4,4,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=73-96


Kevin
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Bart Fisher
My understanding there should only be one timing source per TE410.  You 
should use  a "REAL" Telco T1 for a timing source. - Otherwise, do not 
choose any if for example all PBX T1's installed.  The settings is only a 
priority level for asterisk to obtain the source.  Example: 1 = use this 
source first choice, 2 = use this source if source 1 is down, and so on..


Bart


- Original Message - 
From: "Waldo Rubinstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" 


Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source



Hi guys,

I have a question about the timing source parameter in zaptel.conf.

I have 4 T1s coming into a TE410P.

One T1 is with one carrier, who provides timing signal.

The other 3 T1s are from a different carrier, all sharing the same  timing 
signal.


Based on this, I have in /etc/zaptel.conf something like:


span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=1-24

span=2,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=25-48

span=3,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=49-72

span=4,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=73-96

What I have done is set the timing source of the first T1 to be the 
primary source for itself.


For the other three T1s, I set the second T1 to be the primary source  for 
the group of 3 and the other two as secondary sources.


Is this correct?

The reason I ask is because every so often I hear people complaint  about 
call drops. It doesn't happen to everyone, so I don't know if  it has 
anything to do with time source selection and synchronization  issues that 
may be affecting individual channels. After a report of a  call drop, I 
check dmesg and I don't really see any errors. Sometimes  I just see ... 
disable echo cancel... messages on specific channels,  but that shouldn't 
be a reason to drop a call.


Am I right? Any ideas?

Thanks,
Waldo
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Kevin Bockman

Waldo Rubinstein wrote:

One T1 is with one carrier, who provides timing signal.

The other 3 T1s are from a different carrier, all sharing the same  
timing signal.


Based on this, I have in /etc/zaptel.conf something like:


span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=1-24

span=2,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=25-48

span=3,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=49-72

span=4,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=73-96
I don't think there is such a thing as 'timing groups' like you are 
thinking about.  The primary option for timing is 1, and secondary is 2, 
third is 3, etc.  If 1 is down, it goes 2 to, etc.


I'm just learning myself, but I'm  pretty sure it should be:

span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=1-24

span=2,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=25-48

span=3,3,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=49-72

span=4,4,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=73-96


Kevin
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[Asterisk-Users] Zaptel T1 Timing Source

2005-11-09 Thread Waldo Rubinstein

Hi guys,

I have a question about the timing source parameter in zaptel.conf.

I have 4 T1s coming into a TE410P.

One T1 is with one carrier, who provides timing signal.

The other 3 T1s are from a different carrier, all sharing the same  
timing signal.


Based on this, I have in /etc/zaptel.conf something like:


span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=1-24

span=2,1,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=25-48

span=3,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=49-72

span=4,2,0,esf,b8zs
e&m=73-96

What I have done is set the timing source of the first T1 to be the  
primary source for itself.


For the other three T1s, I set the second T1 to be the primary source  
for the group of 3 and the other two as secondary sources.


Is this correct?

The reason I ask is because every so often I hear people complaint  
about call drops. It doesn't happen to everyone, so I don't know if  
it has anything to do with time source selection and synchronization  
issues that may be affecting individual channels. After a report of a  
call drop, I check dmesg and I don't really see any errors. Sometimes  
I just see ... disable echo cancel... messages on specific channels,  
but that shouldn't be a reason to drop a call.


Am I right? Any ideas?

Thanks,
Waldo
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