Re: [Asterisk-Users] analog or sip ? was far end disconnect supervision
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 05:37:55PM +, Miguel Cavazos said: Sip phones get old and look ugly, analog can be replace at any moment. Frankly, *good* analog phones cost almost $200. If you want anything with features (such as ADSI) it's gonna cost as much as a good SIP phone. If someone Does know of a good analog phone that has good speed dialing, good headset support, a decent display, good sound quality, and is reasonably priced I'd be very interested (no ebay - I want new.) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] analog or sip ? was far end disconnect supervision
If someone Does know of a good analog phone that has good speed dialing, good headset support, a decent display, good sound quality, and is reasonably priced I'd be very interested (no ebay - I want new.) The Aastra PT350/450s are what I would consider good analog phones, and do support ADSI. Refurbs are like US$70. Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] analog or sip ? was far end disconnect supervision
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 05:37:55PM +, Miguel Cavazos said: Sip phones get old and look ugly, analog can be replace at any moment. Frankly, *good* analog phones cost almost $200. If you want anything with features (such as ADSI) it's gonna cost as much as a good SIP phone. If someone Does know of a good analog phone that has good speed dialing, good headset support, a decent display, good sound quality, and is reasonably priced I'd be very interested (no ebay - I want new.) Been pretty happy with the Aastra 480 w/ADSI @ $124.00 http://www.twacomm.com/Catalog/Model_PT480.htm ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] analog or sip ? was far end disconnect supervision
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:35:26 -0500 Lance Arbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Adamson wrote: Thanks to everyone that responded to my channel bank question. Ive decided that the Adit 600 would be a good choice. Then I got to thinking about SIP phones and wondered if their quality has progressed to the point that they can be deployed to customers who just want their phones to work and wouldn't tolerate any SIP hickups. As for pricing, I would think the SIP phones would need to be in the $200 price range to be competative with analog or ADSI phones plus a channel bank. I know there are lots of variables that figure into the analog vs SIP question like number of incoming lines and how they're delivered and the number of extensions etc I guess what would be helpfull to me would be some general rules of thumb that you asterisk experts use to determine what type of extension phones to recommend for a given customer. Lots of choices ranging from about $80 to $700 (and more) depending upon manufacturer, model, features, etc. Believe the wiki has some references to many of them. For business use, I've had excellent experience with the Cisco 7960 (refurb ~$350 with the power cube), and average-moving-to-good/excellent with the Snom 200 (using the latest firmware). Both are probably considered higher-end multiline business sip phones by most on this list. There are others but I've not attempted to eval those. Your customer is likely to drive the decision if you let them eval a few different models. Since you indicated that you're just getting started with *, etc, pure guess is that most business sales are likely to require a mixture of multi-line and single-line insturments. There has been a fair amount of list traffic relative to how various phones support nat, call transfer, music on hold, speaker volume, call waiting tones, and other issues. Best guess is that you would likely only sell a select set of single-line and multi-line units purely from a support perspective, with actual proposals based on specific requirements (eg, a location needs nat therefore this model, business office with all internal phones likely a different model, another business with an unlimited checkbook gets a Cisco ;). Rule of thumb... - don't give an executive or check-writer a cheap phone, or one that is so lite-weight they pull it around their desk - find a single-line instrument or two you are comfortable supporting (seems like the list has suggested at least one vendor's cheap phone has a high mortality rate that might be worth striking from your list) - understand where the ata-186 kind of boxes fit (and where they don't fit from a real business perpective) - understand the value (or lack thereof) for the phone having an internal switch with two RJ45 jacks (and who's phones don't work very well with this) - keep a sharp eye on the sip marketplace going forward ;) - understand the value of QoS in switches - find a supplier that delivers invoices reliably, and will work with you on defective units If you're looking for opinions on specific models, I'm sure you'll get a number of responses from those with favorites. disclaimerI haven't a clue, yet/disclaimer Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're firmly in the SIP camp. While I like the idea of adding extensions by simply plugging a phone into the network, knowing what some of my potential Asterisk customers have for data network hardware makes me cringe when I think about adding 20,30 or 40 Sip phones to the mix :) So, I was thinking that perhaps going the analog route with a nice ADSI screen phone might be best for those customers that are either (a)too cheap to buy cisco's, (b)reluctant to replace network hardware, (c)afraid of technology...etc. etc. From what I've pieced together from googling the list archives it seems like this approach would offer the customer a solid system today that could grow with SIP phones as Asterisk and SIP mature a bit more. Can anyone share what their favorite analog business phones are ? Is ADSI a good way to go ? If so, which models are your favorites? Thanks everyone :) -Lance ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users fwiw i just put in a 7x4 system at one of our smaller locations, i ended up using a used adtran ta-750(2fxo/4fxs), and att 972 analog phones. the main reason i used the att phones was the fact that they had the little 2.5mm headset jact like a cordless or cell phone has. my biggest complaint is that they are 2 line phones so i've got some useless buttons on the phone. they look nice though also.
[Asterisk-Users] analog or sip ? was far end disconnect supervision
Thanks to everyone that responded to my channel bank question. Ive decided that the Adit 600 would be a good choice. Then I got to thinking about SIP phones and wondered if their quality has progressed to the point that they can be deployed to customers who just want their phones to work and wouldn't tolerate any SIP hickups. As for pricing, I would think the SIP phones would need to be in the $200 price range to be competative with analog or ADSI phones plus a channel bank. I know there are lots of variables that figure into the analog vs SIP question like number of incoming lines and how they're delivered and the number of extensions etc I guess what would be helpfull to me would be some general rules of thumb that you asterisk experts use to determine what type of extension phones to recommend for a given customer. Thanks -Lance ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] analog or sip ? was far end disconnect supervision
hi. Then I got to thinking about SIP phones and wondered if their quality has progressed to the point that they can be deployed to customers who just want their phones to work and wouldn't tolerate any SIP hickups. so for that use Cisco. beside I like GS budgetones and wanna see them work reliably, if you need a rock solid phone, cisco rules, for now :/ As for pricing, I would think the SIP phones would need to be in the $200 price range to be competative with analog or ADSI phones plus a channel bank. cisco 7905 matteo -- Brancaleoni Matteo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Espia - Emmegi Srl ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] analog or sip ? was far end disconnect supervision
Hi! As for pricing, I would think the SIP phones would need to be in the $200 price range to be competative with analog or ADSI phones That would make it SNOM then, I believe. Or go look at MGCP phones. By the way, is anyone here using the SNOM 100 or 105? If yes, could you drop a short note on differences between the the two 200 and the 105 that appear to be important to you when making a buy decision for use with Asterisk? Thanks, Philipp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] analog or sip ? was far end disconnect supervision
sip phones have alot of nice features and they really work, you can try some phones under $200 yes, but about the analog phones, people like to have there cordless phones, or there micky mouse phone or garfield phone so consider that. You loss some features but your customers get the phones they want to have in there room, office, kitchen, living room, etc. Besides you can get cool atas under $100 USD GS or sipura. Sip phones get old and look ugly, analog can be replace at any moment. Miguel On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 23:07, Lance Arbuckle wrote: Thanks to everyone that responded to my channel bank question. Ive decided that the Adit 600 would be a good choice. Then I got to thinking about SIP phones and wondered if their quality has progressed to the point that they can be deployed to customers who just want their phones to work and wouldn't tolerate any SIP hickups. As for pricing, I would think the SIP phones would need to be in the $200 price range to be competative with analog or ADSI phones plus a channel bank. I know there are lots of variables that figure into the analog vs SIP question like number of incoming lines and how they're delivered and the number of extensions etc I guess what would be helpfull to me would be some general rules of thumb that you asterisk experts use to determine what type of extension phones to recommend for a given customer. Thanks -Lance ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] analog or sip ? was far end disconnect supervision
Thanks to everyone that responded to my channel bank question. Ive decided that the Adit 600 would be a good choice. Then I got to thinking about SIP phones and wondered if their quality has progressed to the point that they can be deployed to customers who just want their phones to work and wouldn't tolerate any SIP hickups. As for pricing, I would think the SIP phones would need to be in the $200 price range to be competative with analog or ADSI phones plus a channel bank. I know there are lots of variables that figure into the analog vs SIP question like number of incoming lines and how they're delivered and the number of extensions etc I guess what would be helpfull to me would be some general rules of thumb that you asterisk experts use to determine what type of extension phones to recommend for a given customer. Lots of choices ranging from about $80 to $700 (and more) depending upon manufacturer, model, features, etc. Believe the wiki has some references to many of them. For business use, I've had excellent experience with the Cisco 7960 (refurb ~$350 with the power cube), and average-moving-to-good/excellent with the Snom 200 (using the latest firmware). Both are probably considered higher-end multiline business sip phones by most on this list. There are others but I've not attempted to eval those. Your customer is likely to drive the decision if you let them eval a few different models. Since you indicated that you're just getting started with *, etc, pure guess is that most business sales are likely to require a mixture of multi-line and single-line insturments. There has been a fair amount of list traffic relative to how various phones support nat, call transfer, music on hold, speaker volume, call waiting tones, and other issues. Best guess is that you would likely only sell a select set of single-line and multi-line units purely from a support perspective, with actual proposals based on specific requirements (eg, a location needs nat therefore this model, business office with all internal phones likely a different model, another business with an unlimited checkbook gets a Cisco ;). Rule of thumb... - don't give an executive or check-writer a cheap phone, or one that is so lite-weight they pull it around their desk - find a single-line instrument or two you are comfortable supporting (seems like the list has suggested at least one vendor's cheap phone has a high mortality rate that might be worth striking from your list) - understand where the ata-186 kind of boxes fit (and where they don't fit from a real business perpective) - understand the value (or lack thereof) for the phone having an internal switch with two RJ45 jacks (and who's phones don't work very well with this) - keep a sharp eye on the sip marketplace going forward ;) - understand the value of QoS in switches - find a supplier that delivers invoices reliably, and will work with you on defective units If you're looking for opinions on specific models, I'm sure you'll get a number of responses from those with favorites. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] analog or sip ? was far end disconnect supervision
Rich Adamson wrote: Thanks to everyone that responded to my channel bank question. Ive decided that the Adit 600 would be a good choice. Then I got to thinking about SIP phones and wondered if their quality has progressed to the point that they can be deployed to customers who just want their phones to work and wouldn't tolerate any SIP hickups. As for pricing, I would think the SIP phones would need to be in the $200 price range to be competative with analog or ADSI phones plus a channel bank. I know there are lots of variables that figure into the analog vs SIP question like number of incoming lines and how they're delivered and the number of extensions etc I guess what would be helpfull to me would be some general rules of thumb that you asterisk experts use to determine what type of extension phones to recommend for a given customer. Lots of choices ranging from about $80 to $700 (and more) depending upon manufacturer, model, features, etc. Believe the wiki has some references to many of them. For business use, I've had excellent experience with the Cisco 7960 (refurb ~$350 with the power cube), and average-moving-to-good/excellent with the Snom 200 (using the latest firmware). Both are probably considered higher-end multiline business sip phones by most on this list. There are others but I've not attempted to eval those. Your customer is likely to drive the decision if you let them eval a few different models. Since you indicated that you're just getting started with *, etc, pure guess is that most business sales are likely to require a mixture of multi-line and single-line insturments. There has been a fair amount of list traffic relative to how various phones support nat, call transfer, music on hold, speaker volume, call waiting tones, and other issues. Best guess is that you would likely only sell a select set of single-line and multi-line units purely from a support perspective, with actual proposals based on specific requirements (eg, a location needs nat therefore this model, business office with all internal phones likely a different model, another business with an unlimited checkbook gets a Cisco ;). Rule of thumb... - don't give an executive or check-writer a cheap phone, or one that is so lite-weight they pull it around their desk - find a single-line instrument or two you are comfortable supporting (seems like the list has suggested at least one vendor's cheap phone has a high mortality rate that might be worth striking from your list) - understand where the ata-186 kind of boxes fit (and where they don't fit from a real business perpective) - understand the value (or lack thereof) for the phone having an internal switch with two RJ45 jacks (and who's phones don't work very well with this) - keep a sharp eye on the sip marketplace going forward ;) - understand the value of QoS in switches - find a supplier that delivers invoices reliably, and will work with you on defective units If you're looking for opinions on specific models, I'm sure you'll get a number of responses from those with favorites. disclaimerI haven't a clue, yet/disclaimer Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're firmly in the SIP camp. While I like the idea of adding extensions by simply plugging a phone into the network, knowing what some of my potential Asterisk customers have for data network hardware makes me cringe when I think about adding 20,30 or 40 Sip phones to the mix :) So, I was thinking that perhaps going the analog route with a nice ADSI screen phone might be best for those customers that are either (a)too cheap to buy cisco's, (b)reluctant to replace network hardware, (c)afraid of technology...etc. etc. From what I've pieced together from googling the list archives it seems like this approach would offer the customer a solid system today that could grow with SIP phones as Asterisk and SIP mature a bit more. Can anyone share what their favorite analog business phones are ? Is ADSI a good way to go ? If so, which models are your favorites? Thanks everyone :) -Lance ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
