RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVOIP - I win :)
LOL - Congrats! $30 down... Let's see... how much to go? W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Milk Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 1:40 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVOIP - I win :) A few months ago, the friendly folks from liveVOIP went under. We had some discussion on how to limit our losses, and my recommendation was a chargeback, since FTTP Services -- their CC merchant -- wasn't affected by the bankruptcy, as far as we could tell. Today, I received this from my CC company: http://muware.com/asterisk/livevoip.pdf Anyone else got lucky? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] LiveVOIP - I win :)
A few months ago, the friendly folks from liveVOIP went under. We had some discussion on how to limit our losses, and my recommendation was a chargeback, since FTTP Services -- their CC merchant -- wasn't affected by the bankruptcy, as far as we could tell. Today, I received this from my CC company: http://muware.com/asterisk/livevoip.pdf Anyone else got lucky? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Kohlsmith Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 5:26 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread On Monday 27 June 2005 15:46, steve szmidt wrote: One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. We've effectively argued it to death many many times over the course of the last few years. Check the archives -- it's been thought up and re-thought up and dismissed each and every time. Basic issue: nobody will want to sit on the newbie list because they'll end up answering all the same questions over and over since nobody really seems to want to read for themselves. It's the same argument that comes around for forums, except that last time I think we actually witnessed a man lose his mind on the mailing list. That was entertaining. :-) ~ Their would not be so many newbie questions if their was 1. A fully indexed searchable archive list and 2. Good solid documentation. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio
Rich, You must be a LiveVoip crony. Regardless, there is nothing wrong with my post. Expressing that we should all learn from their mistakes is hardly an objective. So whatever your issue, I think you can take your own advise. Thanks, Wiley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Adamson Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:31 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Wiley, its about time to grow up and stop this personal BS. We all certainly understand your objective. From: Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:30:41 -0700 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com LiveVoip has been a learning experience for anyone who purchased from them. With any luck, it was a learning experience in what not to do for anyone out there that provides similar services. At least I hope so since it seems obvious that LiveVoip never learned a thing during their interaction with the community. That is a real shame too considering how people will embrace a company. I like someone else's post survival of the fittest. Your damn skippy... W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kington Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:54 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Wiley, thanks for pointing me to NuFone for tollfree DID. I was planning to report on results between LiveVOIP and NuFone. The apparent bankruptsy of LiveVOIP means that my choppy audio will probably never be resolved. I set up both DID to go through DISA and I could then use the echo test application. Everytime I tested LiveVOIP, the audio was choppy. I have not experienced any choppiness with NuFone but the echo seemed to take longer to get back to me compared to LiveVOIP. I now get a message that my call can not be completed when I call the LiveVOIP DID and I see that I can not register my asterisk to them. I am glad I did not have big dollars invested in them. Regards, John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ---End of Original Message- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 09:44, Michael Di Martino wrote: Their would not be so many newbie questions if their was 1. A fully indexed searchable archive list and 2. Good solid documentation. Alright, you've called my bluff. http://www.mail-archive.com/asterisk-users%40lists.digium.com/ Is that not fully indexed and searchable enough for you? http://lists.digium.org is fully indexed, but is not searchable. Googling for site:lists.digium.com search terms here is fully searchable but not indexed. So now, you have indexed and searchable, indexed, and searchable. Can we please stop complaining about this now? As for point #2 -- I think everyone is in agreement but it is no small feat and there are several people working on it. Feel free to contribute. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Monday 27 June 2005 20:04, Robert Webb wrote: I agree with that fact the same questions get posted, but that problem is compounded by the fact the archives are not really searchable. If the were as lease some users would search. The archives need to be fully indexed. In a Google search box: site:lists.digium.com What you are searching for The problem many newbies faces is TOO MUCH information. Not being able to see the trees because of the forest basically. It does not matter either if it has been discussed until someone went crazy or died. The reason it keeps coming up is because it has not been solved. I totally agree with why. I sure don't want to be the one babysitting them. These posts were simply pointing out what I think, as a former educator, is part of the problem. Something which is not that hard to do. And indeed during some spare times I may put together something which is a lower gradient for those who have a hard time getting it. I sure would like to. Now it could very well be that many of these people never get anywhere because it's just too hard for them. But I know when I started a few years back, that a lot of the howto's have a stiff gradient. It skips pieces of information, assumes knowledge which is hard to come by and so on. Standard stuff. I'm not assuming or expecting that anyone is going to act on what I'm saying. If it was easy someone would have already implemented it. But I am saying that I see there are things that CAN be done which will make it easier. And if it makes it easier, this list will have less stupid and repetitive questions. More people will win using Asterisk and we should all win. (Except those who prefer fewer people competed in this arena. And there are a few here who are happy it's hard for others to take part of the fruit. There always are.) -- Steve Szmidt They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
a man loose his mind? what was the archive posting on that one? I want to read that :) laters hank - Original Message - From: Michael Di Martino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Kohlsmith Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 5:26 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread On Monday 27 June 2005 15:46, steve szmidt wrote: One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. We've effectively argued it to death many many times over the course of the last few years. Check the archives -- it's been thought up and re-thought up and dismissed each and every time. Basic issue: nobody will want to sit on the newbie list because they'll end up answering all the same questions over and over since nobody really seems to want to read for themselves. It's the same argument that comes around for forums, except that last time I think we actually witnessed a man lose his mind on the mailing list. That was entertaining. :-) ~ Their would not be so many newbie questions if their was 1. A fully indexed searchable archive list and 2. Good solid documentation. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:59:31AM -0400, steve szmidt said: On Monday 27 June 2005 20:04, Robert Webb wrote: I agree with that fact the same questions get posted, but that problem is compounded by the fact the archives are not really searchable. If the were as lease some users would search. The archives need to be fully indexed. In a Google search box: site:lists.digium.com What you are searching for The problem many newbies faces is TOO MUCH information. Not being able to see the trees because of the forest basically. It does not matter either if it has been discussed until someone went crazy or died. The reason it keeps coming up is because it has not been solved. The problem is NOT that the archives are not searchable or indexed. The problem is that we are dealing with a very complex subject / application. Telephony is Very different from general computing. The terminology, technology, typical problem set is unique to the industry. Now we add all the typical computer and network issues on top such as IRQ's, QoS, firewalls, NAT, etc. Newbies don't have a chance unless they are willing to spend the time it takes to learn about the technology they are trying to implement. Maybe some day this will change as hardware gets better, easier to configure, and the software matures. People that want something that just works without tinkering NOW should either be NOT using VoIP technology, or should be purchasing a complete solution (or consulting services) from one of the many vendors available. * and VoIP are still very young, about where Apache was as a web server (and the internet in general) back in 1996 - pretty stable, but still immature. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 13:49, hank wrote: a man loose his mind? what was the archive posting on that one? I want to read that :) http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2005-April/098768.html The whole thread's kind of funny... He started off really calm and rational, offering to donate time and space on his modern, progressive web forum with all his experience and so on, but when we (the community) ultimately turned him down he quite literally lost his mind, I think. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
Hi On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:49:29AM -0700, hank wrote: a man loose his mind? what was the archive posting on that one? I want to read that :) Thanks for the kind, tactful and on-topic post. Also thank you for trimming irrelevant quoted text from your message. Shall we drop this? -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 14:24 -0400, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Tuesday 28 June 2005 13:49, hank wrote: a man loose his mind? what was the archive posting on that one? I want to read that :) http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2005-April/098768.html The whole thread's kind of funny... He started off really calm and rational, offering to donate time and space on his modern, progressive web forum with all his experience and so on, but when we (the community) ultimately turned him down he quite literally lost his mind, I think. -A. gmane.org appears to have the group gmane.comp.telephony.pbx.asterisk.users (and biz and dev). Gmane is a free service that does smtp-nntp and back again. Has a web interface to read the groups, etc. For those that dont want email they should be able to use that, or at least use that as a feeder if they dont want to deal with email delivery. It also provides group searching for people who want to read archives for more help. Perhaps the easiest way would be to have a mini-faq that explains how to properly ask a question (what information should be provided when asking) along with places to search for information (lists.digium.com, gmane.org, google queries if you want to search, etc). That way some of the complaints about the list can be mitigated. To be honest I dont know if the list sent something like this on subscription, but it may have. Some of the other lists I am on have a faq maintainer (so 100 people dont all do it at the same time) that sends such a faq once per month, but that may be extreme. http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.telephony.pbx.asterisk There are 10 lists with posts in them that can all be read that way. Note: I have no affiliation with gmane, and from using it, it appears to be sponsored by donations not banner ads, etc, so it is a clean interface (with multiple interfaces, rss, blog style, threaded, etc). -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio
Yes, I've used them in the past. The issue is that you sent no less then a dozen posts (more like two or three dozen if you count the last few months) blasting a vendor. No problem expressing an opinion at all, but not very professional (for anyone) to keep blasting away forever. We all got your point a month or two ago. Lets move on. You must be a LiveVoip crony. Regardless, there is nothing wrong with my post. Expressing that we should all learn from their mistakes is hardly an objective. So whatever your issue, I think you can take your own advise. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Adamson Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:31 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Wiley, its about time to grow up and stop this personal BS. We all certainly understand your objective. From: Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:30:41 -0700 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com LiveVoip has been a learning experience for anyone who purchased from them. With any luck, it was a learning experience in what not to do for anyone out there that provides similar services. At least I hope so since it seems obvious that LiveVoip never learned a thing during their interaction with the community. That is a real shame too considering how people will embrace a company. I like someone else's post survival of the fittest. Your damn skippy... W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kington Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:54 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Wiley, thanks for pointing me to NuFone for tollfree DID. I was planning to report on results between LiveVOIP and NuFone. The apparent bankruptsy of LiveVOIP means that my choppy audio will probably never be resolved. I set up both DID to go through DISA and I could then use the echo test application. Everytime I tested LiveVOIP, the audio was choppy. I have not experienced any choppiness with NuFone but the echo seemed to take longer to get back to me compared to LiveVOIP. I now get a message that my call can not be completed when I call the LiveVOIP DID and I see that I can not register my asterisk to them. I am glad I did not have big dollars invested in them. Regards, John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ---End of Original Message- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ---End of Original Message- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Hi All, I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. Marcel van Kaam Fonetica Teleservices ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Monday 27 June 2005 02:45, Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica wrote: I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. I've never understood this -- people are having a decent discussion. There's no flaming, there's no bashing. Sure it's offtopic but it'll die within a few more days... Why snuff it? I am positive we're all not geographically close to discuss this in a restaurant, and setting up an entirely new list is silly. So I ask you -- what should people do? -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Mon, June 27, 2005 13:04, Andrew Kohlsmith said: On Monday 27 June 2005 02:45, Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica wrote: I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. I've never understood this -- people are having a decent discussion. There's no flaming, there's no bashing. Sure it's offtopic but it'll die within a few more days... Why snuff it? I am positive we're all not geographically close to discuss this in a restaurant, and setting up an entirely new list is silly. So I ask you -- what should people do? -A. *Shrugs* Seen it, been there... This happens on all lists at some point in time... Several lists I am on have already created an OT or TALK list besides the main list... Whenever that happens, I just subscribe to the 2nd list and customize my procmail recipes to toss it in the same folder... :-/ And then live goes on... -- Francesco Peeters GPG Key = AA69 E7C6 1D8A F148 160C D5C4 9943 6E38 D5E3 7704 If your program doesn't recognize my signature, please visit http://www.CAcert.org/index.php?id=3 to retrieve the Root CA certificate. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Monday 27 June 2005 07:21, Francesco Peeters wrote: *Shrugs* Seen it, been there... This happens on all lists at some point in time... Several lists I am on have already created an OT or TALK list besides the main list... Whenever that happens, I just subscribe to the 2nd list and customize my procmail recipes to toss it in the same folder... :-/ That's kind of a neat idea. :-) -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:46 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Hi All, I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. Thank you, Mr. Self-Appointed Netcop. Now please study the features of your mail client that allow you to avoid reading offensive topics. Granted, this issue is only tangentially topical for the -users list, but I believe the discussion is largely worthwhile, if only for the lessons this episode brings to us. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.2/29 - Release Date: 06/27/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
I'd be happy to host you in our Montreal Datacenter at no cost. Contact me off-list if you're interested. /Danny Matt Riddell wrote: Andres wrote: So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt Sh1t. Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
You just got a tax write off because your money is certainly locked up in chapter 11. W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bashir Ullah - www.Lamsre.Com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:02 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt I found a large IAX supported provider beside Voipjet. Now ...? Bashir I still i have good balance with them, I dont know what will be happend. and my canadian DID . - Original Message - From: Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Yair Hakak wrote: well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to customers is you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it isn't going to be around for a long time. I agree totally. After seeing some of the issues people were having with their customer support (or better, flying off the handle at their customers) I decided to stay clear of them. Survival of the fittest . . . B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
As predicted In keeping with LiveVoip company policy, even this letter seems antagonistic towards customers and creditors. You are under a STAY!! Don't talk to us! Wow, I guess the merger with the trailer park DSL company just did not help at all. And after Joop spent so much time shining me the good lies... Well, it could not have happened to a nicer company. W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andres Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 12:39 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt --- There is a Federal Court Order in place and has been since Friday early a.m. ALL Suppliers are now under a Court Order that prevents them from terminating any and all services to LiveVoip LLC. If they take such any action they will be in direct violation of a U.S. Federal Court Order. If you have any questions you may contact our lawyer - Customers and Creditors are now under a U.S. Court Ordered Stay NOT to have any contact with LiveVoip LLC Management. LiveVoip LLC has Ceased Operations and Filed for Bankruptcy. This action was taken after the company was unable to resolve issues with carriers over billing, mass credit card fraud, suppliers not delivering on what they had been paid for among other things. A Stay Order is in effect at this time and all questions must be directed to our company lawyer. Creditors will be hearing from the Courts in due course. LiveVoip LLC is no Closed. United States Federal Bankruptcy Court District Montana Case: 05-62057 LiveVoip LLC Company Lawyer: Robert Kampfer Esq. 406.727.954 The LiveVoip network is offline. An Update will be issued on our main website. The trouble ticket server is also having its own problems. Please watch our main for site for complete details. LiveVoip LLC --- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Well, I guess stating at the bottom of the list is a bad idea sometimes. Sorry, Marcel, I just find this a relevant topic since so much money and time have been wasted trying to use this company's service. Will drop it shortly though. Cheers, W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:46 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Hi All, I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. Marcel van Kaam Fonetica Teleservices ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Actually, if you look at my posts from a month or two ago, you can see that they not only had to have known, they were publicly stating that they were expanding. Joop personally told me that they were going to offer Vonage type of service and that they were opening service in the UK. He actually was exceedingly verbose and never gave hint to the fact that they were in trouble (not that he would). This should be no surprise to anyone. I just hope they burn for it... W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:46 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 20:49 -0600, Rich Adamson wrote: With lawyers a dime a dozen these days, I can't imagine that LiveVOIP didn't make sure to put every protection they could in their terms of service or what have you. Most people don't even read them, or just don't care what it says. I know nothing about LiveVOIP, so I'm not trying to suggest that they were indeed shady -- just letting people know that chargeback rules aren't a fix-all. Since that was an LLC operation and unless management pierced the corp vail, the LLC has far more liabilities then it does assets so the LLC is bankrupt. There is a legal pecking order as to who receives payments after the assets are disposed. As user's of the service, we're on the bottom of that list and will probably take at least a year or two to reach closure. LLC/Corporations do not protect officers of the company if the officers, through official job duties, commit crimes. Taking money for services you know you cant provide. Its prima facia if you sell below cost and cant prove that you thought you have VC money or something else to offset that 'promotional' period and then file bankrupcy. This is to prevent someone from basically doing a ponzi scheme, where people late in the game are paying for the people today, eventually the bubble bursts and the late comers are left holding the bag. While this is specific to US law, livevoip in this case was a US based company so that applies. This may not apply to other companies doing basically the same thing in other jurisdictions. And I dont know that they were doing this, but I am certain they didnt decide to file bankrupcy and file the same day, there had to be a period when they started to file but kept accepting new customers knowing those customers werent going to get what they paid for. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Monday 27 June 2005 02:45, Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica wrote: I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. I've never understood this -- people are having a decent discussion. There's no flaming, there's no bashing. Sure it's offtopic but it'll die within a few more days... Why snuff it? I am positive we're all not geographically close to discuss this in a restaurant, and setting up an entirely new list is silly. So I ask you -- what should people do? Heh, go easy on the guy, he probably hasn't got threads and has to read every topic just to get to the topics he likes. :D X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio
LiveVoip has been a learning experience for anyone who purchased from them. With any luck, it was a learning experience in what not to do for anyone out there that provides similar services. At least I hope so since it seems obvious that LiveVoip never learned a thing during their interaction with the community. That is a real shame too considering how people will embrace a company. I like someone else's post survival of the fittest. Your damn skippy... W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kington Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:54 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Wiley, thanks for pointing me to NuFone for tollfree DID. I was planning to report on results between LiveVOIP and NuFone. The apparent bankruptsy of LiveVOIP means that my choppy audio will probably never be resolved. I set up both DID to go through DISA and I could then use the echo test application. Everytime I tested LiveVOIP, the audio was choppy. I have not experienced any choppiness with NuFone but the echo seemed to take longer to get back to me compared to LiveVOIP. I now get a message that my call can not be completed when I call the LiveVOIP DID and I see that I can not register my asterisk to them. I am glad I did not have big dollars invested in them. Regards, John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Having read the TOS from LiveVoip many times, I can almost assure you it was written by the LiveVoip staff and not a lawyer. Due to that, I cannot imagine them slithering out of this entirely. W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marie Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:44 PM To: snacktime; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt It depends on how the actual purchase was worded whether or not you should be able to get a chargeback. I didn't buy from them, so I don't know. With some clever legal wording, it is possible to sell something that the end user considers prepay/future use (like calling card minutes), but as far as the credit card company etc. are concerned it was a final sale over and done with like a normal purchase. This is not to say that the issuing bank is going to give one and they will just as likely process a chargeback as normal (and later reverse it as long as someone is still at the other end shooting back the boilerplate rebuttal). I'd suggest people wait as long as they can before filing a chargeback -- merchants only get so many days (10 on my account) to respond before it's automatically settled in the customer's favor. If you wait as long as you can, there's a better chance someone won't be sitting there replying. I used to work for a shady company that sold calling cards online/phone by credit card. It was a big thing to make sure that the sales material/call-scripts were worded to make sure that once the customer took posession of the pin code the transaction was completed in terms of the credit card company. They often lost accounts or discontinued programs that customers still had minutes in, and they were able to escape from chargebacks by sending the fine print to their bank as their rebuttal to the customer's complaint. I didn't stay long after finding this out, the pay wasn't worth having a company like that on my CV. If you read up on the rumors around Dr. Phil, supposedly it's quite common (and in some isolated areas still legal) to do a similar thing with health clubs. Sell one year membership contracts, factor the contract to someone else, close. The customer is still responsible for completing their payments to the factor. The customer can't chargeback payments they already made via credit card because the way the contract is worded it doesn't matter if the health club is still open or not. With lawyers a dime a dozen these days, I can't imagine that LiveVOIP didn't make sure to put every protection they could in their terms of service or what have you. Most people don't even read them, or just don't care what it says. I know nothing about LiveVOIP, so I'm not trying to suggest that they were indeed shady -- just letting people know that chargeback rules aren't a fix-all. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Hi Wiley, I understand that, and it was not my intentions on being to negative. It is just that this is the users list and for the Biz we have the biz list. Here on the users list we should discuss topics about using asterisk and on the biz list we should discuss offers and bankruptcies. I understand it is important to discuss those things but and that people are warn about the bad services etc. but that is in my opinion business. Marcel van Kaam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wiley Siler Sent: maandag 27 juni 2005 17:49 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Well, I guess stating at the bottom of the list is a bad idea sometimes. Sorry, Marcel, I just find this a relevant topic since so much money and time have been wasted trying to use this company's service. Will drop it shortly though. Cheers, W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:46 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Hi All, I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. Marcel van Kaam Fonetica Teleservices ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Well, as someone who doesn't use threads... I think I can say it is not the end of the world. I find scanning my Asterisk mail folder to be pretty easy W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:47 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Monday 27 June 2005 02:45, Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica wrote: I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. I've never understood this -- people are having a decent discussion. There's no flaming, there's no bashing. Sure it's offtopic but it'll die within a few more days... Why snuff it? I am positive we're all not geographically close to discuss this in a restaurant, and setting up an entirely new list is silly. So I ask you -- what should people do? Heh, go easy on the guy, he probably hasn't got threads and has to read every topic just to get to the topics he likes. :D X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Monday 27 June 2005 10:27, Rusty Shackleford wrote: I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. No, this is a good lesson to listen to and possibly learn some things from. As Andrew said it's not even flaming. -- List Manager Network Voice Comunications, Inc. netwvcom.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 07:04 -0400, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Monday 27 June 2005 02:45, Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica wrote: I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. I've never understood this -- people are having a decent discussion. There's no flaming, there's no bashing. Sure it's offtopic but it'll die within a few more days... Why snuff it? I am positive we're all not geographically close to discuss this in a restaurant, and setting up an entirely new list is silly. So I ask you -- what should people do? -A. I think he was upset that people were talking about the Daily Asterisk News website, and people were offering to donate webspace to keep it up and stuff and all of that happened under the LiveVoip is Bankrupt subject line. But then I could be wrong, maybe he did not actually read anything but the subject itself and decided to attack people to force this very conversation, about him doing exactly what he is claiming others are doing. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
I can host here in the US, lots of bandwidth. I have all my own servers. I'd love to help.On 6/26/05, Matt Riddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Andres wrote: So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt Sh1t.Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host.So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql basedsite, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy.Offers? --Cheers,Matt Riddell___http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss)___Asterisk-Users mailing listAsterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-usersTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. If you would like to see how a good list is run join the Qmail users list and observe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:43 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 07:04 -0400, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Monday 27 June 2005 02:45, Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica wrote: I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. I've never understood this -- people are having a decent discussion. There's no flaming, there's no bashing. Sure it's offtopic but it'll die within a few more days... Why snuff it? I am positive we're all not geographically close to discuss this in a restaurant, and setting up an entirely new list is silly. So I ask you -- what should people do? -A. I think he was upset that people were talking about the Daily Asterisk News website, and people were offering to donate webspace to keep it up and stuff and all of that happened under the LiveVoip is Bankrupt subject line. But then I could be wrong, maybe he did not actually read anything but the subject itself and decided to attack people to force this very conversation, about him doing exactly what he is claiming others are doing. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
-Original Message- From: Matt Riddell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Heh, go easy on the guy, he probably hasn't got threads and has to read every topic just to get to the topics he likes. :D X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Right click on the message list heading, Customize Current View..., Group By..., Conversation. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 14:31 -0400, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. If you would like to see how a good list is run join the Qmail users list and observe. The bankrupt thread is mostly now about finiding hosting for Daily Asterisk News, which I feel is helping asterisk people, and people whining about this thread. The whining seemed to be from people reading the subject line and not even bothering to notice that the majority of the posts under this subject were about an asterisk specific thing when I saw that. This isnt slashdot we should actually read more than the subjects before commenting. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Monday 27 June 2005 14:24, David Brodbeck wrote: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Right click on the message list heading, Customize Current View..., Group By..., Conversation. I just ran over and did that on a system with OfficeXP ... good lord, Microsoft even screwed up threading... How can anyone read that? -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. Do you have some proof of this? I find the list rather helpful on the whole, with interjections of other (sometimes very OT) subjects inbetween. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
I for one will not be using anymore live voip...I found my own provider. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=61840item=5783732903rd=1 andrew matthews wrote: I can host here in the US, lots of bandwidth. I have all my own servers. I'd love to help. On 6/26/05, *Matt Riddell* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andres wrote: So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt Sh1t. Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. Lists with this number of new members have a repetiveness of the same questions which people sometimes get tired of answering. Which is too bad. However, even though it seemingly does not directly aid asterisk users it does so indirectly. People on this list grow into becoming lemonade stand operators and maybe even bigger service providers. It is often done because people realize that Wow, I can do it too!. Unfortunately it's not something that lives in the world of the Internet, but enters the heavily controlled area of phones. An area droght with difficulties for any newcomer. The thread is showing and giving reason to be a bit better prepared when entering into this particular service industry. As such it is of great importance to those wise enough to take note. For the rest it's just noise. One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. -- Steve Szmidt They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:03 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 14:31 -0400, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. If you would like to see how a good list is run join the Qmail users list and observe. The bankrupt thread is mostly now about finiding hosting for Daily Asterisk News, which I feel is helping asterisk people, and people whining about this thread. The whining seemed to be from people reading the subject line and not even bothering to notice that the majority of the posts under this subject were about an asterisk specific thing when I saw that. This isnt slashdot we should actually read more than the subjects before commenting. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 8 Not really. This thread does not belong on this list. It is off topic and a waste of time for admins dealing w/ real system issues. Like I said sign up for the qmail list and you will see how a real user list operates. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Kohlsmith Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:27 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. Do you have some proof of this? I find the list rather helpful on the whole, with interjections of other (sometimes very OT) subjects inbetween. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This list has potential but it is not strong enough dealing w/ asterisk system issues. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Feel free to unsubscribe at your earliest convenience. I for one disagree with you completely. The only questions that occasionally go unanswered are those that were just asked, are written twenty times on the Wiki, or are intrinsicly stupid. And even those questions are often answered with redirection to the resource that documents them. People on this list are helpful and genuinely interested in assisting their fellow users. Feel free to hang at the Qmail list of that is what brings you joy. That would have to be better than listening to you deride this list for no reason other than you don't like today's topic. If this list needed the likes of you or the other netcop, then you opinion might matter. Fortunately, it does not. Cheers, Wiley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Di Martino Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:31 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. If you would like to see how a good list is run join the Qmail users list and observe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:43 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 07:04 -0400, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Monday 27 June 2005 02:45, Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica wrote: I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. I've never understood this -- people are having a decent discussion. There's no flaming, there's no bashing. Sure it's offtopic but it'll die within a few more days... Why snuff it? I am positive we're all not geographically close to discuss this in a restaurant, and setting up an entirely new list is silly. So I ask you -- what should people do? -A. I think he was upset that people were talking about the Daily Asterisk News website, and people were offering to donate webspace to keep it up and stuff and all of that happened under the LiveVoip is Bankrupt subject line. But then I could be wrong, maybe he did not actually read anything but the subject itself and decided to attack people to force this very conversation, about him doing exactly what he is claiming others are doing. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:27:22 -0400 Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. Do you have some proof of this? I find the list rather helpful on the whole, with interjections of other (sometimes very OT) subjects inbetween. -A. I think he is just frustrated because only two people have replied to his question about his IAXy device not working after having repeated his same question a dozen times in new threads.. Robert ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
I'm not sure which is funnier... that someone would offer something like that for sale on ebay, or that someone would pay $10.56 + $4.50 shipping to buy it. rofl - Dan Steven Kalcevich wrote: I for one will not be using anymore live voip...I found my own provider. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=61840item=5783732903rd=1 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
I agree with that fact the same questions get posted, but that problem is compounded by the fact the archives are not really searchable. If the were as lease some users would search. The archives need to be fully indexed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve szmidt Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:46 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. Lists with this number of new members have a repetiveness of the same questions which people sometimes get tired of answering. Which is too bad. However, even though it seemingly does not directly aid asterisk users it does so indirectly. People on this list grow into becoming lemonade stand operators and maybe even bigger service providers. It is often done because people realize that Wow, I can do it too!. Unfortunately it's not something that lives in the world of the Internet, but enters the heavily controlled area of phones. An area droght with difficulties for any newcomer. The thread is showing and giving reason to be a bit better prepared when entering into this particular service industry. As such it is of great importance to those wise enough to take note. For the rest it's just noise. One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. -- Steve Szmidt They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
how much traffic? \ - Original Message - From: Steven Kalcevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: andrew matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt I for one will not be using anymore live voip...I found my own provider. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=61840item=5783732903rd=1 andrew matthews wrote: I can host here in the US, lots of bandwidth. I have all my own servers. I'd love to help. On 6/26/05, *Matt Riddell* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andres wrote: So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt Sh1t. Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 12:45 -0700, Wiley Siler wrote: Feel free to unsubscribe at your earliest convenience. I for one disagree with you completely. The only questions that occasionally go unanswered are those that were just asked, are written twenty times on the Wiki, or are intrinsicly stupid. And even those questions are often answered with redirection to the resource that documents them. People on this list are helpful and genuinely interested in assisting their fellow users. I agree with that last part and as proof I submit the bankrupt thread which is actually several threads in one subject line. There are MANY offers to help someone host the asterisk daily news (aparently the bankrupcy affected this), which I feel is related to the asterisk community, but maybe I am whacky that way. I also see a community spirit with people offering advice to get money back and other related things given the news. If we did not have this community spirit in helping people we wouldnt have offered such help. And that is just within 2 days in one thread (the very thread that spawned the 'people dont help' comments). -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
The archive is very searchable it just is a pain sometimes... To search by relevance... Go to google.com. Enter: site:lists.digium.com some search value You get the archive back with relevance as the main sorter. I have also seen some places that back up the list and sort by date and allow searching. (looking for these again) So it may be labor intensive sometimes but there is certainly the ability to search. W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Di Martino Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:55 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread I agree with that fact the same questions get posted, but that problem is compounded by the fact the archives are not really searchable. If the were as lease some users would search. The archives need to be fully indexed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve szmidt Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:46 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. Lists with this number of new members have a repetiveness of the same questions which people sometimes get tired of answering. Which is too bad. However, even though it seemingly does not directly aid asterisk users it does so indirectly. People on this list grow into becoming lemonade stand operators and maybe even bigger service providers. It is often done because people realize that Wow, I can do it too!. Unfortunately it's not something that lives in the world of the Internet, but enters the heavily controlled area of phones. An area droght with difficulties for any newcomer. The thread is showing and giving reason to be a bit better prepared when entering into this particular service industry. As such it is of great importance to those wise enough to take note. For the rest it's just noise. One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. -- Steve Szmidt They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
I am throwing my * away, I will be using this system from now. Btw: I have laughed like this for long time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Kalcevich Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:28 PM To: andrew matthews; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt I for one will not be using anymore live voip...I found my own provider. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=61840item=5783732903 rd=1 andrew matthews wrote: I can host here in the US, lots of bandwidth. I have all my own servers. I'd love to help. On 6/26/05, *Matt Riddell* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andres wrote: So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt Sh1t. Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
On Monday 27 June 2005 15:46, steve szmidt wrote: One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. We've effectively argued it to death many many times over the course of the last few years. Check the archives -- it's been thought up and re-thought up and dismissed each and every time. Basic issue: nobody will want to sit on the newbie list because they'll end up answering all the same questions over and over since nobody really seems to want to read for themselves. It's the same argument that comes around for forums, except that last time I think we actually witnessed a man lose his mind on the mailing list. That was entertaining. :-) -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Well, we could aspire to be a great list in his eyes you know. (LOL) Maybe we can repost the contents of the archive on a regular basis. We can even repost all the info of the Wiki so people who don't take the time look things up can find their answers. At the very least it would save a fella from having to repost something a dozen times. If two people responded I am sure that some viable resolution was given. Besides, it is not like anyone owes us each a response. This isn't paid support. You get what you get and we should all be happy to get what we do. I am thankful for this list personally Cheers, Wiley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Webb Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:16 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:27:22 -0400 Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. Do you have some proof of this? I find the list rather helpful on the whole, with interjections of other (sometimes very OT) subjects inbetween. -A. I think he is just frustrated because only two people have replied to his question about his IAXy device not working after having repeated his same question a dozen times in new threads.. Robert ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Mr. DiMartino, how about you go to the qmail list and stay there so they can listen to your whining and not us. This is a VERY helpful list. Yes there is the occasional question that goes unanswered, but this is rare. Stop trolling, go away, and grow up. Sometimes is is as important to know what not to do, as it is to know what to do. John M On Monday June 27 2005 4:11 pm, Michael Di Martino wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:03 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 14:31 -0400, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. If you would like to see how a good list is run join the Qmail users list and observe. The bankrupt thread is mostly now about finiding hosting for Daily Asterisk News, which I feel is helping asterisk people, and people whining about this thread. The whining seemed to be from people reading the subject line and not even bothering to notice that the majority of the posts under this subject were about an asterisk specific thing when I saw that. This isnt slashdot we should actually read more than the subjects before commenting. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Not really. This thread does not belong on this list. It is off topic and a waste of time for admins dealing w/ real system issues. Like I said sign up for the qmail list and you will see how a real user list operates. LMAO - OK, so those same admins dealing with real system issues are spending lots of time perusing their userlist postings? Must be some serious issues, eh? Seriously. Save the criticism for your colleagues at Qmail. There is no point in throwing out criticism to this list. It is what it is. We will undoubtedly waste more time going back and forth over this argument than is worth it. And the irony of that should really hit home. I am glad that you like your other list and feel it serves your purposes. This list serves the purposes of many despite the fact that from time to time it may drop into a rabbit hole. It is an excellent resource even if it is not organized in a manner that meets your personal requirements. It is what it is. Accept it and move on. Cheers, Wiley ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
The archives need to be fully indexed. Can you say Google? site:lists.digium.com query goes here -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve szmidt Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:46 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. Lists with this number of new members have a repetiveness of the same questions which people sometimes get tired of answering. Which is too bad. However, even though it seemingly does not directly aid asterisk users it does so indirectly. People on this list grow into becoming lemonade stand operators and maybe even bigger service providers. It is often done because people realize that Wow, I can do it too!. Unfortunately it's not something that lives in the world of the Internet, but enters the heavily controlled area of phones. An area droght with difficulties for any newcomer. The thread is showing and giving reason to be a bit better prepared when entering into this particular service industry. As such it is of great importance to those wise enough to take note. For the rest it's just noise. One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. -- Steve Szmidt They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Di Martino Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:55 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread I agree with that fact the same questions get posted, but that problem is compounded by the fact the archives are not really searchable. If the were as lease some users would search. The archives need to be fully indexed. In a Google search box: site:lists.digium.com What you are searching for ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
On Monday 27 June 2005 17:26, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Monday 27 June 2005 15:46, steve szmidt wrote: One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. We've effectively argued it to death many many times over the course of the last few years. Check the archives -- it's been thought up and re-thought up and dismissed each and every time. Yes, I remember. Basic issue: nobody will want to sit on the newbie list because they'll end up answering all the same questions over and over since nobody really seems to want to read for themselves. Exactly. Though I think we could have more success if we had a dumb'd down version of the wiki with very few options. Maybe along the line Minimum-1, A-Bit-More-2 and A-Little-Bit -More-3. The wiki could do with a MySQL web type layout. I'm thinking of the many examples part. But I sure don't have the time to do it. But I would be tempted. It's the same argument that comes around for forums, except that last time I think we actually witnessed a man lose his mind on the mailing list. That was entertaining. :-) Hehe... we don't see that much fun every day. Which is probably why it was entertaining. -- Steve Szmidt They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
If you don't like that method, go to http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php?hunt=asterisk I used to use this archive sometimes. Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wiley Siler wrote: The archive is very searchable it just is a pain sometimes... To search by relevance... Go to google.com. Enter: site:lists.digium.com some search value You get the archive back with relevance as the main sorter. I have also seen some places that back up the list and sort by date and allow searching. (looking for these again) So it may be labor intensive sometimes but there is certainly the ability to search. W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Di Martino Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:55 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread I agree with that fact the same questions get posted, but that problem is compounded by the fact the archives are not really searchable. If the were as lease some users would search. The archives need to be fully indexed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve szmidt Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:46 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. Lists with this number of new members have a repetiveness of the same questions which people sometimes get tired of answering. Which is too bad. However, even though it seemingly does not directly aid asterisk users it does so indirectly. People on this list grow into becoming lemonade stand operators and maybe even bigger service providers. It is often done because people realize that Wow, I can do it too!. Unfortunately it's not something that lives in the world of the Internet, but enters the heavily controlled area of phones. An area droght with difficulties for any newcomer. The thread is showing and giving reason to be a bit better prepared when entering into this particular service industry. As such it is of great importance to those wise enough to take note. For the rest it's just noise. One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio
Wiley, its about time to grow up and stop this personal BS. We all certainly understand your objective. From: Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:30:41 -0700 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com LiveVoip has been a learning experience for anyone who purchased from them. With any luck, it was a learning experience in what not to do for anyone out there that provides similar services. At least I hope so since it seems obvious that LiveVoip never learned a thing during their interaction with the community. That is a real shame too considering how people will embrace a company. I like someone else's post survival of the fittest. Your damn skippy... W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kington Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:54 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Wiley, thanks for pointing me to NuFone for tollfree DID. I was planning to report on results between LiveVOIP and NuFone. The apparent bankruptsy of LiveVOIP means that my choppy audio will probably never be resolved. I set up both DID to go through DISA and I could then use the echo test application. Everytime I tested LiveVOIP, the audio was choppy. I have not experienced any choppiness with NuFone but the echo seemed to take longer to get back to me compared to LiveVOIP. I now get a message that my call can not be completed when I call the LiveVOIP DID and I see that I can not register my asterisk to them. I am glad I did not have big dollars invested in them. Regards, John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ---End of Original Message- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
I just might know of someone who could host it in the US at no charge - who ever manages the site, e-mail me off list if interested. Scott - Original Message From: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Date: 28/06/05 01:53 Matt - catch me on IRC (it's file). - Joshua Colp. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Andres wrote: gt; So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt Sh1t. Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Message sent using InterBel.net Webmail 2.7.2 at www.interbel.net ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Ebay is great. As a proof that you can sell *anything* on ebay, I offered for sale the plastic-lid of an OJ container as a Knuckle Protector there some two years ago. It made $8 + $5 SH. -Original Message- From: Dan Perik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:44 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt I'm not sure which is funnier... that someone would offer something like that for sale on ebay, or that someone would pay $10.56 + $4.50 shipping to buy it. rofl - Dan Steven Kalcevich wrote: I for one will not be using anymore live voip...I found my own provider. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemcategory=61840item=5783 732903rd=1 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/aster isk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Milk Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2005 2:55 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Ebay is great. As a proof that you can sell *anything* on ebay, I offered for sale the plastic-lid of an OJ container as a Knuckle Protector there some two years ago. It made $8 + $5 SH. Just more proof that Marketers as a species, eat their own young. ...and the #include Dangling_participle.h allow it to happen. -Original Message- From: Dan Perik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:44 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt I'm not sure which is funnier... that someone would offer something like that for sale on ebay, or that someone would pay $10.56 + $4.50 shipping to buy it. rofl - Dan Steven Kalcevich wrote: I for one will not be using anymore live voip...I found my own provider. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemcategory=61840item=5783 732903rd=1 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/aster isk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt --- There is a Federal Court Order in place and has been since Friday early a.m. ALL Suppliers are now under a Court Order that prevents them from terminating any and all services to LiveVoip LLC. If they take such any action they will be in direct violation of a U.S. Federal Court Order. If you have any questions you may contact our lawyer - Customers and Creditors are now under a U.S. Court Ordered Stay NOT to have any contact with LiveVoip LLC Management. LiveVoip LLC has Ceased Operations and Filed for Bankruptcy. This action was taken after the company was unable to resolve issues with carriers over billing, mass credit card fraud, suppliers not delivering on what they had been paid for among other things. A Stay Order is in effect at this time and all questions must be directed to our company lawyer. Creditors will be hearing from the Courts in due course. LiveVoip LLC is no Closed. United States Federal Bankruptcy Court District Montana Case: 05-62057 LiveVoip LLC Company Lawyer: Robert Kampfer Esq. 406.727.954 The LiveVoip network is offline. An Update will be issued on our main website. The trouble ticket server is also having its own problems. Please watch our main for site for complete details. LiveVoip LLC --- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to customers is you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it isn't going to be around for a long time. On 6/26/05, Andres [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt --- There is a Federal Court Order in place and has been since Friday early a.m. ALL Suppliers are now under a Court Order that prevents them from terminating any and all services to LiveVoip LLC. If they take such any action they will be in direct violation of a U.S. Federal Court Order. If you have any questions you may contact our lawyer - Customers and Creditors are now under a U.S. Court Ordered Stay NOT to have any contact with LiveVoip LLC Management. LiveVoip LLC has Ceased Operations and Filed for Bankruptcy. This action was taken after the company was unable to resolve issues with carriers over billing, mass credit card fraud, suppliers not delivering on what they had been paid for among other things. A Stay Order is in effect at this time and all questions must be directed to our company lawyer. Creditors will be hearing from the Courts in due course. LiveVoip LLC is no Closed. United States Federal Bankruptcy Court District Montana Case: 05-62057 LiveVoip LLC Company Lawyer: Robert Kampfer Esq. 406.727.954 The LiveVoip network is offline. An Update will be issued on our main website. The trouble ticket server is also having its own problems. Please watch our main for site for complete details. LiveVoip LLC --- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip
See other thread about Bankruptcy. Interestingly enough, termination still works flawlessly... and better than ever before :). And, get this, they don't charge mobile rates to mobile phones in Germany... go figure... --Luki On 6/25/05, Moody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a UK Livevoip DID that is down, and has been for several days. I'm looking to replace my London DID, low usage but need at least 2 channels and a local London number. Please email me off list if you can provide this. J ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Yair Hakak wrote: well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to customers is you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it isn't going to be around for a long time. I agree totally. After seeing some of the issues people were having with their customer support (or better, flying off the handle at their customers) I decided to stay clear of them. Survival of the fittest . . . B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip
Quoting Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: They never truly got their act together. I remember checking my CDR and realising that they were charging my 0800 numbers in 1/100 of a cent instead of cents. It is a pity their DTMF tones were not working for me. At least I would have gained something from the payments I made to them for those numbers. I don't think they were ever a technically sound operation. Is there anybody else here that still has anything with Livevoip? They are down and apparently have no idea when they will be back up. Has anybody talked to them? I wouldn't care at all if it was not that I have 2 DIDs that I've been unable to transfer away. :-( Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
I found a large IAX supported provider beside Voipjet. Now ...? Bashir I still i have good balance with them, I dont know what will be happend. and my canadian DID . - Original Message - From: Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Yair Hakak wrote: well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to customers is you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it isn't going to be around for a long time. I agree totally. After seeing some of the issues people were having with their customer support (or better, flying off the handle at their customers) I decided to stay clear of them. Survival of the fittest . . . B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip
Is there anybody else here that still has anything with Livevoip? They are down and apparently have no idea when they will be back up. Has anybody talked to them? I wouldn't care at all if it was not that I have 2 DIDs that I've been unable to transfer away. :-( They are still down and won't be back up anytime soon. Their web site says: LiveVoip LLC has Ceased Operations and Filed for Bankruptcy. This action was taken after the company was unable to resolve issues with carriers over billing, mass credit card fraud, suppliers not delivering on what they had been paid for among other things. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
I've had pretty good luck with www.teliax.com I found a large IAX supported provider beside Voipjet. Now ...? Bashir I still i have good balance with them, I dont know what will be happend. and my canadian DID . - Original Message - From: Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Yair Hakak wrote: well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to customers is you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it isn't going to be around for a long time. I agree totally. After seeing some of the issues people were having with their customer support (or better, flying off the handle at their customers) I decided to stay clear of them. Survival of the fittest . . . B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ---End of Original Message- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
funny thing is just like their previous attitude with them blaming all their customers, now they are blaming their bankruptcy on their suppliers, clecs, and credit card fraud... i hope one day they wake up and look in the mirror and see who the real problem is... p.s. i _love_ teliax. been using them for about 3 months now, after canceling my broadvoice account for over a year and a half..i'll never go back.. -Mark On 6/26/05, Rich Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had pretty good luck with www.teliax.com I found a large IAX supported provider beside Voipjet. Now ...? Bashir I still i have good balance with them, I dont know what will be happend. and my canadian DID . - Original Message - From: Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Yair Hakak wrote: well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to customers is you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it isn't going to be around for a long time. I agree totally. After seeing some of the issues people were having with their customer support (or better, flying off the handle at their customers) I decided to stay clear of them. Survival of the fittest . . . B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ---End of Original Message- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip
Well, I see they just posted a bankruptcy notice. H. Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moody wrote: I have a UK Livevoip DID that is down, and has been for several days. I'm looking to replace my London DID, low usage but need at least 2 channels and a local London number. Please email me off list if you can provide this. J On 6/26/05, Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anybody else here that still has anything with Livevoip? They are down and apparently have no idea when they will be back up. Has anybody talked to them? I wouldn't care at all if it was not that I have 2 DIDs that I've been unable to transfer away. :-( Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Yeah, I chuckled a little bit when I read the notice. It has absolutely nothing to do with any stupid things they might have done, customers they chased away etc. At least they only had $30.00 of mine. :-) Darren Mark Musone wrote: funny thing is just like their previous attitude with them blaming all their customers, now they are blaming their bankruptcy on their suppliers, clecs, and credit card fraud... i hope one day they wake up and look in the mirror and see who the real problem is... p.s. i _love_ teliax. been using them for about 3 months now, after canceling my broadvoice account for over a year and a half..i'll never go back.. -Mark On 6/26/05, Rich Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had pretty good luck with www.teliax.com I found a large IAX supported provider beside Voipjet. Now ...? Bashir I still i have good balance with them, I dont know what will be happend. and my canadian DID . - Original Message - From: Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Yair Hakak wrote: well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to customers is you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it isn't going to be around for a long time. I agree totally. After seeing some of the issues people were having with their customer support (or better, flying off the handle at their customers) I decided to stay clear of them. Survival of the fittest . . . B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ---End of Original Message- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio
Wiley, thanks for pointing me to NuFone for tollfree DID. I was planning to report on results between LiveVOIP and NuFone. The apparent bankruptsy of LiveVOIP means that my choppy audio will probably never be resolved. I set up both DID to go through DISA and I could then use the echo test application. Everytime I tested LiveVOIP, the audio was choppy. I have not experienced any choppiness with NuFone but the echo seemed to take longer to get back to me compared to LiveVOIP. I now get a message that my call can not be completed when I call the LiveVOIP DID and I see that I can not register my asterisk to them. I am glad I did not have big dollars invested in them. Regards, John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
If anybody is interested, we offer a VoIP solution. we have manufactured our own equipment and network from the ground up. The service has been selling successfully selling for over one year (both domestic and internation). If interested, let know and i will send you pricing and information, [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Rich Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:01:11 -0600 I've had pretty good luck with www.teliax.com I found a large IAX supported provider beside Voipjet. Now ...? Bashir I still i have good balance with them, I dont know what will be happend. and my canadian DID . - Original Message - From: Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Yair Hakak wrote: well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to customers is you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it isn't going to be around for a long time. I agree totally. After seeing some of the issues people were having with their customer support (or better, flying off the handle at their customers) I decided to stay clear of them. Survival of the fittest . . . B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ---End of Original Message- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Sunday 26 June 2005 14:32, Orlando Guitián wrote: If anybody is interested, we offer a VoIP solution. we have manufactured our own equipment and network from the ground up. The service has been selling successfully selling for over one year (both domestic and internation). If interested, let know and i will send you pricing and information, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry but anyone selling their service for over a year without bothering to mention their company name and indeed, using an msn account already has me sufficiently suspicious to decide against giving them any money. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
here is the information. The website is in spanish (www.sebell.com), therefore, i will send you the information in english on monday. To answer your question, the service has been sold primarly to international banking institutions and financial organizations via word of mouth. We are currently translating the web site to english. The service provides calling within the USA and Canada as well as international access. Users (and supervisors) have realtime access to their phone calls and billing. The DIDs are provided for Miami (area codes 305 and 786) as well as Buenos Aires (+54 11), Argentina. The web site: www.sebell.com My corporate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:20:08 -0400 On Sunday 26 June 2005 14:32, Orlando Guitián wrote: If anybody is interested, we offer a VoIP solution. we have manufactured our own equipment and network from the ground up. The service has been selling successfully selling for over one year (both domestic and internation). If interested, let know and i will send you pricing and information, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry but anyone selling their service for over a year without bothering to mention their company name and indeed, using an msn account already has me sufficiently suspicious to decide against giving them any money. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Sunday 26 June 2005 15:20, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Sunday 26 June 2005 14:32, Orlando Guitián wrote: If anybody is interested, we offer a VoIP solution. we have manufactured our own equipment and network from the ground up. The service has been selling successfully selling for over one year (both domestic and internation). If interested, let know and i will send you pricing and information, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry but anyone selling their service for over a year without bothering to mention their company name and indeed, using an msn account already has me sufficiently suspicious to decide against giving them any money. It would seem that people just don't realize how it makes them look. -- Steve Szmidt They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 11:32 -0700, Brian Litzinger wrote: Anytime a small new organization asks for up front payment, I wonder about a locally famous case. Back in the days of beepers, a local company was selling beeper service for about 30% less than anyone in exchange for a relatively good portion of payment up front. Can't remember if it was 3 months or 1 year. May have been both. They collected up the payments and paid the money out in huge salaries. Then they went bankrupt. It is apparently difficult for bankruptcy courts to recover salary payments. It is apparently a well known scam executed in a number of different ways. I recall a case against someone in New York City where a lady was doing that with travel, selling cruises below her cost, etc. Presales upto 6 months ahead went to pay for tickets today. She paid herself $100k for her services. They indicted her on fraud becuase it is illegal to sell stuff below cost, knowing that you cant possibly make good on what you sell. Perhaps the same could be true of livevoip for anyone that lost any big amount of money for prepayment on services they couldnt render. And certainly for payments where the 'writing was on the wall', ie they knew they were going to file bankrupcy yet accepted payments for months they knew they wouldnt be in business. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 14:32 -0400, Orlando Guitián wrote: If anybody is interested, we offer a VoIP solution. we have manufactured our own equipment and network from the ground up. The service has been selling successfully selling for over one year (both domestic and internation). If interested, let know and i will send you pricing and information, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A year of selling 'domestic and internation' and you have an msn.com email address not one that is off the domian of the company you represent? Interesting concept, does that really yield higher sales? Could be a new marketing stragety I am unfamiliar with. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
For those that paid by credit card, you can call your bank and get any amount they owe you refunded. You are not a creditor as far as the bankruptcy is concerned, the acquring bank is. Chris ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:21 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 11:32 -0700, Brian Litzinger wrote: Anytime a small new organization asks for up front payment, I wonder about a locally famous case. Back in the days of beepers, a local company was selling beeper service for about 30% less than anyone in exchange for a relatively good portion of payment up front. Can't remember if it was 3 months or 1 year. May have been both. They collected up the payments and paid the money out in huge salaries. Then they went bankrupt. It is apparently difficult for bankruptcy courts to recover salary payments. It is apparently a well known scam executed in a number of different ways. I recall a case against someone in New York City where a lady was doing that with travel, selling cruises below her cost, etc. Presales upto 6 months ahead went to pay for tickets today. She paid herself $100k for her services. They indicted her on fraud becuase it is illegal to sell stuff below cost, knowing that you cant possibly make good on what you sell. Perhaps the same could be true of livevoip for anyone that lost any big amount of money for prepayment on services they couldnt render. And certainly for payments where the 'writing was on the wall', ie they knew they were going to file bankrupcy yet accepted payments for months they knew they wouldnt be in business. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 If I recall recently LiveVoIP touted it 'merger' with a large corporation (daddy BigBucks). I also remember that it was posted that it was not in the best interest of LiveVoip to move forward on the merger. In hind sight this is probably the result of the due-diligence done on the larger corporation's side. Citing non-disclosure and other standard agreements entered during transactions such as these it does not surprise me that we (the customers) were not told about the writing on the wall.. Alex ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Andres wrote: So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt Sh1t. Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Matt - catch me on IRC (it's file). - Joshua Colp. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Andres wrote: So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt Sh1t. Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Matt Riddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? How much bandwidth does it consume? -- You fall out of your mother's womb, you crawl across open country under fire, and drop into your grave. - Quentin Crisp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
snacktime wrote: For those that paid by credit card, you can call your bank and get any amount they owe you refunded. You are not a creditor as far as the bankruptcy is concerned, the acquring bank is. Chris ___ Hi Chris, I am curious to know how this would work in this case. Lets assume someone purchased $100 worth of LiveVoip service using his Bank of America Visa card (and did not get a chance to use the service). So now LiveVoip is bankrupt and lets assume the owners fled with the money they made so the bank accounts are cleaned out. If the person now calls Bank of America to dispute the charge, then who loses the $100 in this case? Visa, Bank of America, or the consumer? -- Andres ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
are you guys still looking for space? I can donate you some space tell me how much you need? I own a communications company based in Tulsa, OK. OCOSA Communications, LLChttp://www.ocosa.com We don't generally do we just started and mySQL as well give me a quote and I 'll will get you hooked up if your interested! Otis Surratt Jr. Peter Corlett wrote: Matt Riddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? How much bandwidth does it consume? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 16:42 -0400, Alexander Lopez wrote: If I recall recently LiveVoIP touted it 'merger' with a large corporation (daddy BigBucks). I also remember that it was posted that it was not in the best interest of LiveVoip to move forward on the merger. In hind sight this is probably the result of the due-diligence done on the larger corporation's side. Citing non-disclosure and other standard agreements entered during transactions such as these it does not surprise me that we (the customers) were not told about the writing on the wall.. My writing on the wall reference was not towards customers, instead it was towards livevoip (or any other company) when they accepted money for service they knew they could not provide. In america at least (most other countries most likely have laws against this as well) it is illegal to accept money for services you know you cannot provide. It is also illegal (falls under fraud) for companies to sell services below cost knowing they will drive themselves into the ground and file bankrupcy. While some may be able to get credit card refunds (depending on a variety of factors, like how long ago they were charged, any court orders in place right now, etc - most banks wont give you a refund if they know they wont get any money from the merchant, unless you can prove fraud to some degree) there are more than likely more customers that will not. The only way to go after anything would be to go after the people involved (a corporation does not shield oneself against illegal actions - if that were the case CEOs across the country wouldnt be in jail, have been in jail, facing jail, or trying to appeal their jail sentences). -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 23:29 +0200, Matt Riddell wrote: Andres wrote: So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt Sh1t. Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? sourceforge asterisk daily news documentation project? They have some bandwidth, file space, php and mysql are reported to work... Dunno if this will fit your goals though. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
E-mail me off-list, we'll help out :-) Regards, Sahil Gupta VoiceValley On Sun, 26 Jun 2005, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 23:29 +0200, Matt Riddell wrote: Andres wrote: So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt Sh1t. Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? sourceforge asterisk daily news documentation project? They have some bandwidth, file space, php and mysql are reported to work... Dunno if this will fit your goals though. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
If anybody is interested, we offer a VoIP solution. we have manufactured our own equipment and network from the ground up. The service has been selling successfully selling for over one year (both domestic and internation). If interested, let know and i will send you pricing and information, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry but anyone selling their service for over a year without bothering to mention their company name and indeed, using an msn account already has me sufficiently suspicious to decide against giving them any money. I'll second that one big time! ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
While some may be able to get credit card refunds (depending on a variety of factors, like how long ago they were charged, any court orders in place right now, etc - most banks wont give you a refund if they know they wont get any money from the merchant, unless you can prove fraud to some degree) there are more than likely more customers that will not. Doesn't work that way. Issuing banks are guaranteed payment by acquiring banks. It's the acquiring bank that has to eat the loss, not the issuing bank. Issuing banks eat losses when a cardholder defaults, but never when a merchant defaults. And in cases where the service is delivered over an extended period of time, the clock for when you can chargeback doesnt' start ticking until that time period is up. That's why acquirers don't like prepaid plans or extended length subscriptions. Someone like livevoip can charge a bunch of people and the acquiring bank can be eating losses over a year out. Chris ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
It depends on how the actual purchase was worded whether or not you should be able to get a chargeback. I didn't buy from them, so I don't know. With some clever legal wording, it is possible to sell something that the end user considers prepay/future use (like calling card minutes), but as far as the credit card company etc. are concerned it was a final sale over and done with like a normal purchase. This is not to say that the issuing bank is going to give one and they will just as likely process a chargeback as normal (and later reverse it as long as someone is still at the other end shooting back the boilerplate rebuttal). I'd suggest people wait as long as they can before filing a chargeback -- merchants only get so many days (10 on my account) to respond before it's automatically settled in the customer's favor. If you wait as long as you can, there's a better chance someone won't be sitting there replying. I used to work for a shady company that sold calling cards online/phone by credit card. It was a big thing to make sure that the sales material/call-scripts were worded to make sure that once the customer took posession of the pin code the transaction was completed in terms of the credit card company. They often lost accounts or discontinued programs that customers still had minutes in, and they were able to escape from chargebacks by sending the fine print to their bank as their rebuttal to the customer's complaint. I didn't stay long after finding this out, the pay wasn't worth having a company like that on my CV. If you read up on the rumors around Dr. Phil, supposedly it's quite common (and in some isolated areas still legal) to do a similar thing with health clubs. Sell one year membership contracts, factor the contract to someone else, close. The customer is still responsible for completing their payments to the factor. The customer can't chargeback payments they already made via credit card because the way the contract is worded it doesn't matter if the health club is still open or not. With lawyers a dime a dozen these days, I can't imagine that LiveVOIP didn't make sure to put every protection they could in their terms of service or what have you. Most people don't even read them, or just don't care what it says. I know nothing about LiveVOIP, so I'm not trying to suggest that they were indeed shady -- just letting people know that chargeback rules aren't a fix-all. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
With lawyers a dime a dozen these days, I can't imagine that LiveVOIP didn't make sure to put every protection they could in their terms of service or what have you. Most people don't even read them, or just don't care what it says. I know nothing about LiveVOIP, so I'm not trying to suggest that they were indeed shady -- just letting people know that chargeback rules aren't a fix-all. Since that was an LLC operation and unless management pierced the corp vail, the LLC has far more liabilities then it does assets so the LLC is bankrupt. There is a legal pecking order as to who receives payments after the assets are disposed. As user's of the service, we're on the bottom of that list and will probably take at least a year or two to reach closure. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
Hey pooch are u ever going to put up the howto's from the Atlanta asterisk conference? You only said you would. Don't be like LiveVOIP and follow thru on your word. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Capouch Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Yair Hakak wrote: well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to customers is you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it isn't going to be around for a long time. I agree totally. After seeing some of the issues people were having with their customer support (or better, flying off the handle at their customers) I decided to stay clear of them. Survival of the fittest . . . B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 20:49 -0600, Rich Adamson wrote: With lawyers a dime a dozen these days, I can't imagine that LiveVOIP didn't make sure to put every protection they could in their terms of service or what have you. Most people don't even read them, or just don't care what it says. I know nothing about LiveVOIP, so I'm not trying to suggest that they were indeed shady -- just letting people know that chargeback rules aren't a fix-all. Since that was an LLC operation and unless management pierced the corp vail, the LLC has far more liabilities then it does assets so the LLC is bankrupt. There is a legal pecking order as to who receives payments after the assets are disposed. As user's of the service, we're on the bottom of that list and will probably take at least a year or two to reach closure. LLC/Corporations do not protect officers of the company if the officers, through official job duties, commit crimes. Taking money for services you know you cant provide. Its prima facia if you sell below cost and cant prove that you thought you have VC money or something else to offset that 'promotional' period and then file bankrupcy. This is to prevent someone from basically doing a ponzi scheme, where people late in the game are paying for the people today, eventually the bubble bursts and the late comers are left holding the bag. While this is specific to US law, livevoip in this case was a US based company so that applies. This may not apply to other companies doing basically the same thing in other jurisdictions. And I dont know that they were doing this, but I am certain they didnt decide to file bankrupcy and file the same day, there had to be a period when they started to file but kept accepting new customers knowing those customers werent going to get what they paid for. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Livevoip
Is there anybody else here that still has anything with Livevoip? They are down and apparently have no idea when they will be back up. Has anybody talked to them? I wouldn't care at all if it was not that I have 2 DIDs that I've been unable to transfer away. :-( Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip
I have a UK Livevoip DID that is down, and has been for several days. I'm looking to replace my London DID, low usage but need at least 2 channels and a local London number. Please email me off list if you can provide this. J On 6/26/05, Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anybody else here that still has anything with Livevoip? They are down and apparently have no idea when they will be back up. Has anybody talked to them? I wouldn't care at all if it was not that I have 2 DIDs that I've been unable to transfer away. :-( Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio
I just signed up with livevoip for 800 DID and have very choppy audio. From PSTN to my asterisk is ok but asterisk to PSTN is terrible. I am using IAX and was assigned to server iax01.nyc.*. I do not believe it is a bandwidth problem on my end and I have no problems using iax with gafachi. I opened a ticket with livevoip but no response yet. Would I be better off using sip with them? Is there a server with better response/bandwidth? I admit that I am running a cvs head may 2004 prior to 1.x.x release. Could that be the problem? Regards, John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio
Go to dslreports.com and look in the forum for LiveVoip. Or alternately you can search this list with google via the site:lists.digium.com parameter. I spent two months working through problems with LiveVOip. I highly recommend against them. Cheers, Wiley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kington Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:08 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio I just signed up with livevoip for 800 DID and have very choppy audio. From PSTN to my asterisk is ok but asterisk to PSTN is terrible. I am using IAX and was assigned to server iax01.nyc.*. I do not believe it is a bandwidth problem on my end and I have no problems using iax with gafachi. I opened a ticket with livevoip but no response yet. Would I be better off using sip with them? Is there a server with better response/bandwidth? I admit that I am running a cvs head may 2004 prior to 1.x.x release. Could that be the problem? Regards, John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio
Wiley, Long time no chat. I just got asterisk going with my Legacy Mitel PBX. YEA!!! I have been following your emails on Livevoip and am wondering if not them then who? I am still looking for something that will allow me several concurrent connections for a small business setting. Take care and good weekend. -Scott - Original Message - From: Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Go to dslreports.com and look in the forum for LiveVoip. Or alternately you can search this list with google via the site:lists.digium.com parameter. I spent two months working through problems with LiveVOip. I highly recommend against them. Cheers, Wiley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kington Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:08 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio I just signed up with livevoip for 800 DID and have very choppy audio. From PSTN to my asterisk is ok but asterisk to PSTN is terrible. I am using IAX and was assigned to server iax01.nyc.*. I do not believe it is a bandwidth problem on my end and I have no problems using iax with gafachi. I opened a ticket with livevoip but no response yet. Would I be better off using sip with them? Is there a server with better response/bandwidth? I admit that I am running a cvs head may 2004 prior to 1.x.x release. Could that be the problem? Regards, John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio
Scott, Hello again! I currently only recommend two companies. For dial time, VoipJet has been a rock for me. For DIDs, Nufone has been a consistent performer as well. After that, you may just need to experiment. I have heard good things about Teliax and when I tested them out, it worked well. YMMV as the saying goes! Cheers! Wiley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Wolfe Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:54 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Wiley, Long time no chat. I just got asterisk going with my Legacy Mitel PBX. YEA!!! I have been following your emails on Livevoip and am wondering if not them then who? I am still looking for something that will allow me several concurrent connections for a small business setting. Take care and good weekend. -Scott - Original Message - From: Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio Go to dslreports.com and look in the forum for LiveVoip. Or alternately you can search this list with google via the site:lists.digium.com parameter. I spent two months working through problems with LiveVOip. I highly recommend against them. Cheers, Wiley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kington Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:08 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Livevoip 800 Choppy Audio I just signed up with livevoip for 800 DID and have very choppy audio. From PSTN to my asterisk is ok but asterisk to PSTN is terrible. I am using IAX and was assigned to server iax01.nyc.*. I do not believe it is a bandwidth problem on my end and I have no problems using iax with gafachi. I opened a ticket with livevoip but no response yet. Would I be better off using sip with them? Is there a server with better response/bandwidth? I admit that I am running a cvs head may 2004 prior to 1.x.x release. Could that be the problem? Regards, John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip does not like customers anymore, ....
You have been replied to - we do not use digital certs, we do not reply when you have some sort of Spam blocker. This time I am responding even though that is not policy. It seems it is their policy not to answer. FYI info I tried to get an account with them a week ago. I did not get any information how to setup, just that they cashed my credit card. Several calls to them put me just on hold Our phone lines are REALLY busy --- What a BS !!! a. You are NOT a LiveVoip customer. b. We declined your credit card , no charge was ever made. c. Never threaten this company - we will not tolerate it. d. Do not re-apply for service we do not want your business. LiveVoip LLC Unfortunately I heard here on the list, that their service is so bad AFTER I had applied, ... I just want to share it with you, don't apply, they REALLY do not want your business!!! bye Ronald ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
