RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
--On Monday, January 19, 2004 12:25 PM +1100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Friday, 16 January 2004 4:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box snip What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. Are you sure the computer uses all the Power all the time? I would have thought that 200W was the peak, not the average. I guess the only way to measure it is to watch your home's power meter after you've turned off everything else :-) Radio Shack has a really neat A/C power meter that plugs into the wall. You then plug the A/C powered appliance you want to test into the unit. The unit reports instantaneous KW, KVA, and power consumption over time. It claims 15A max, but I've run it much higher. This is a great tool and a really fun gadget as well! It is one of those things you just don't want to spend the money on for a single test, but then when you have it you find uses for it constantly. I went around measuring everything in the house and at work after I got it. I think it was about $50, but on sale it was a good 30% off! ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
On Tuesday 20 January 2004 03:22 am, Ken Alker wrote: Radio Shack has a really neat A/C power meter that plugs into the wall. You then plug the A/C powered appliance you want to test into the unit. The unit reports instantaneous KW, KVA, and power consumption over time. It claims 15A max, but I've run it much higher. This is a great tool and a really fun gadget as well! It is one of those things you just don't want to spend the money on for a single test, but then when you have it you find uses for it constantly. I went around measuring everything in the house and at work after I got it. I think it was about $50, but on sale it was a good 30% off! Does it allow for the power factor? Brand have been producing good power meters for several years now. Prices are not as low as the above but some models have remote capability. http://www.brandelectronics.com/ Regards...Martin -- A straw vote only shows which way the hot air blows. -- O'Henry ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
this is $318 + taxes. my prices included two ISDN cards and 24% vat. and dell 'servers' aren't more 'servers' than my home-built servers - at least not the low-end ones. roy Paul Mahler wrote: I have a Dell 400sc sever on order. It will be shipped on the 27th. It is a 2.4GHz P4 with a 533 MHz front side bus, a 40GB disk, 128MB of memory, sound card, ethernet, and year of on-site next day maintenance. It is $318 delivered after rebates. Yes, $318. This is a real server, by the way, not a desktop machine. It also makes NO noise. I can't hear a thing with my ear right next to it. Why would you even THINK about getting anything else? Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. Ideally Asterisk will be ported one day to Linux/ARM or some other very low cost platform. for VOIP you do not need the PCI slots. In theory Asterisk could run on a Lynksys router box with re-flashed EEPROM. After all Lynksys' latest wireless router runs Linux inside Low cost to me means low total cost of ownership To get this I don't think buying the lowest priced parts is the way to go. I want quality mainboard, and a quality power supply and, this is importernt: A low internal case temperature. for this reason I'll spend the extra $50 to go with Antec cases and ASUS mainboards over the generic ones. What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. --- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 (¤ 216) plus a small ¤50 drive and cables, so say ¤300. This consists of a cheap MB with a duron 1400, 256MB SDRAM and two HFC-PCI cards (if capijod will finish off the zaptel-driver soon). This is all in a cheap PC case. What do you think? Should this be doable? as a product? With only IP phones and potentially a fax solution? any ideas? thanks roy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users = Chris Albertson Home: 310-376-1029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 310-990-7550 Office: 310-336-5189 [EMAIL PROTECTED] KG6OMK __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box - no such thing
My Dell 400sc server was $318 delivered including tax. They are indeed servers, not a PC. They are engineered, built, configured, and maintained as severs. They come with on-site maintenance, which is great if the server is in a different location than I am in. There is no way you can build a comparable server class machine, that is a real server, yourself from parts at this price. When it breaks, a real company comes out and fixes it. Even if you could buy the parts for the same amount of money, which you can't, you don't get the engineering and maintenance. DELL, or other reputable manufacturer's servers, are distinguished by a lot of engineering work over a large installed base that assures their utility as a server. I have spent many hours finding out the hard way that there was an incompatibility, hardware or software, in some server I had built myself. So, even if you could build machines yourself from parts for this price, which you can't, it is not going to be as well engineered or tested. Building your own server is probably fine for a non-critical application where you are a small-time operator. If you are running a real business, there is no substitute for buying a real server from a real company with real maintenance. Even if you could save $50 or $100, why bother. You have to spend the time to build and test the server. You are assuming in your cost calculation that your time is free. Building a server yourself is only cheaper if you don't value your own time. Your cost calculation also assumes the server won't ever break. The first time you have to fix your home-brew box the cost difference disappears. Even if your time is valueless, buying a new part will eliminate any cost difference. Even when buying an industrial strength server from a reputable manufacturer, I always stock a spare server with the identical configuration in case something goes wrong. I also keep spare interface boards on-hand. If something breaks in the business of one of my customers I can quickly fix it. Running a hot spare insures that phone service is always available. Are you building toys or putting real systems in real businesses? If you are building a toy system for a non-critical application, by all means build your own server if you think that's a fun thing to do. Any putative cost saving from building one's own server for a mission critical application is fictive. Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box this is $318 + taxes. my prices included two ISDN cards and 24% vat. and dell 'servers' aren't more 'servers' than my home-built servers - at least not the low-end ones. roy Paul Mahler wrote: I have a Dell 400sc sever on order. It will be shipped on the 27th. It is a 2.4GHz P4 with a 533 MHz front side bus, a 40GB disk, 128MB of memory, sound card, ethernet, and year of on-site next day maintenance. It is $318 delivered after rebates. Yes, $318. This is a real server, by the way, not a desktop machine. It also makes NO noise. I can't hear a thing with my ear right next to it. Why would you even THINK about getting anything else? Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. Ideally Asterisk will be ported one day to Linux/ARM or some other very low cost platform. for VOIP you do not need the PCI slots. In theory Asterisk could run on a Lynksys router box with re-flashed EEPROM. After all Lynksys' latest wireless router runs Linux inside Low cost to me means low total cost of ownership To get this I don't think buying the lowest priced parts is the way to go. I want quality mainboard, and a quality power supply and, this is importernt: A low internal case temperature. for this reason I'll spend the extra $50 to go with Antec cases and ASUS mainboards over the generic ones. What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost
RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Friday, 16 January 2004 4:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box snip What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. Are you sure the computer uses all the Power all the time? I would have thought that 200W was the peak, not the average. I guess the only way to measure it is to watch your home's power meter after you've turned off everything else :-) Cheers, Woody ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 12:25:15PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: snip What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. Are you sure the computer uses all the Power all the time? I would have thought that 200W was the peak, not the average. I guess the only way to measure it is to watch your home's power meter after you've turned off everything else :-) Or get yourself a hand-held multi-meter and take a load reading. My 1U dual-pIII server with a couple SCSI drives uses 47 watts. My notebook is 24W, and desktop runs 39. If you have a smart UPS, you can use the management tool to see how much load you draw. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
On Sun, 2004-01-18 at 19:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Friday, 16 January 2004 4:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box snip What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. Are you sure the computer uses all the Power all the time? I would have thought that 200W was the peak, not the average. I guess the only way to measure it is to watch your home's power meter after you've turned off everything else :-) Here is something a lot easier to deal with. http://www.safehomeproducts.com/SHP/SM/Electricity_Monitor.asp -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
That's about the scale we're planning per server. We just purchased a Dell PowerEdge 1600SC for the job (able to go dual Xeon, but we're starting with one 2.8GHz, will add a second and recompile if we need 2 procs). The nice thing about this box is that it seems to have 2 of each kind of PCI slot: 2 x 64-bit/100MHz PCI-X (Supports 3.3v or Universal cards), 2 x 64-bit/66MHz PCI (Supports 3.3v or Universal cards), and 2 x 32-bit/33MHz PCI (Supports legacy 5v or Universal cards) Price after rebate: about $800 US. I'll let you know how it goes when it comes in. It should be early next week. - Original Message - From: Aram Ter-Martirosyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I don't need to use the lowest end server for asterisk, but something reasonable. I need to put one TE410P and 2 TDM400P boards in it. We have about 20 heavy telephone users in the company. Can someone suggest reasonable priced and reliable box? Thanks, Aram Ter-Martirosyan Senior Account Manager Hi-Tech Gateway, Inc. http://www.hi-teck.com 1225 Grand Central Ave. Glendale, CA 91201 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel 818.546.4601 fax 818.546.4617 Turning Technology Into Business Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James H. Thompson Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 5:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box FAQ for Dell 400SC: http://www.aaltonen.us/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8 Jim James H. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: calvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I got in on the same Dell deal I think. You must hang out on the bargain boards just like I do? I hang out mainly at fatwallet.com. This is the thread that I got in on the Dell machines that I just recently purchased. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?start=920catid=24threadid= 264777 I found out by another 400SC user and you can not control assign interrupts on the PCI slots on this machine. Does that point bother you if you are going to run this unit with *? I want to put 3 X100P cards and 1 TDM400P in my up coming 400SC, but not sure if I will have conflict if I use up all the PCI slots in the machine. Charles Alvis Internet Technology Group Redmond, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mahler Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I have a Dell 400sc sever on order. It will be shipped on the 27th. It is a 2.4GHz P4 with a 533 MHz front side bus, a 40GB disk, 128MB of memory, sound card, ethernet, and year of on-site next day maintenance. It is $318 delivered after rebates. Yes, $318. This is a real server, by the way, not a desktop machine. It also makes NO noise. I can't hear a thing with my ear right next to it. Why would you even THINK about getting anything else? Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. Ideally Asterisk will be ported one day to Linux/ARM or some other very low cost platform. for VOIP you do not need the PCI slots. In theory Asterisk could run on a Lynksys router box with re-flashed EEPROM. After all Lynksys' latest wireless router runs Linux inside Low cost to me means low total cost of ownership To get this I don't think buying the lowest priced parts is the way to go. I want quality mainboard, and a quality power supply and, this is importernt: A low internal case temperature. for this reason I'll spend the extra $50 to go with Antec cases and ASUS mainboards over the generic ones. What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay
RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
You can get a DELL 400SC server for $400 or so. www.dell.com Check out the refurbished units, although lately the new ones have been a better deal. Paul Paul Mahler -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aram Ter-Martirosyan Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I don't need to use the lowest end server for asterisk, but something reasonable. I need to put one TE410P and 2 TDM400P boards in it. We have about 20 heavy telephone users in the company. Can someone suggest reasonable priced and reliable box? Thanks, Aram Ter-Martirosyan Senior Account Manager Hi-Tech Gateway, Inc. http://www.hi-teck.com 1225 Grand Central Ave. Glendale, CA 91201 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel 818.546.4601 fax 818.546.4617 Turning Technology Into Business Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James H. Thompson Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 5:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box FAQ for Dell 400SC: http://www.aaltonen.us/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8 Jim James H. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: calvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I got in on the same Dell deal I think. You must hang out on the bargain boards just like I do? I hang out mainly at fatwallet.com. This is the thread that I got in on the Dell machines that I just recently purchased. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?start=920catid=24threadid= 264777 I found out by another 400SC user and you can not control assign interrupts on the PCI slots on this machine. Does that point bother you if you are going to run this unit with *? I want to put 3 X100P cards and 1 TDM400P in my up coming 400SC, but not sure if I will have conflict if I use up all the PCI slots in the machine. Charles Alvis Internet Technology Group Redmond, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mahler Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I have a Dell 400sc sever on order. It will be shipped on the 27th. It is a 2.4GHz P4 with a 533 MHz front side bus, a 40GB disk, 128MB of memory, sound card, ethernet, and year of on-site next day maintenance. It is $318 delivered after rebates. Yes, $318. This is a real server, by the way, not a desktop machine. It also makes NO noise. I can't hear a thing with my ear right next to it. Why would you even THINK about getting anything else? Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. Ideally Asterisk will be ported one day to Linux/ARM or some other very low cost platform. for VOIP you do not need the PCI slots. In theory Asterisk could run on a Lynksys router box with re-flashed EEPROM. After all Lynksys' latest wireless router runs Linux inside Low cost to me means low total cost of ownership To get this I don't think buying the lowest priced parts is the way to go. I want quality mainboard, and a quality power supply and, this is importernt: A low internal case temperature. for this reason I'll spend the extra $50 to go with Antec cases and ASUS mainboards over the generic ones. What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. --- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 (¤ 216
RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
That's really good. Can you share the Dell contact info? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mahler Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I have a Dell 400sc sever on order. It will be shipped on the 27th. It is a 2.4GHz P4 with a 533 MHz front side bus, a 40GB disk, 128MB of memory, sound card, ethernet, and year of on-site next day maintenance. It is $318 delivered after rebates. Yes, $318. This is a real server, by the way, not a desktop machine. It also makes NO noise. I can't hear a thing with my ear right next to it. Why would you even THINK about getting anything else? Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. Ideally Asterisk will be ported one day to Linux/ARM or some other very low cost platform. for VOIP you do not need the PCI slots. In theory Asterisk could run on a Lynksys router box with re-flashed EEPROM. After all Lynksys' latest wireless router runs Linux inside Low cost to me means low total cost of ownership To get this I don't think buying the lowest priced parts is the way to go. I want quality mainboard, and a quality power supply and, this is importernt: A low internal case temperature. for this reason I'll spend the extra $50 to go with Antec cases and ASUS mainboards over the generic ones. What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. --- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 (¤ 216) plus a small ¤50 drive and cables, so say ¤300. This consists of a cheap MB with a duron 1400, 256MB SDRAM and two HFC-PCI cards (if capijod will finish off the zaptel-driver soon). This is all in a cheap PC case. What do you think? Should this be doable? as a product? With only IP phones and potentially a fax solution? any ideas? thanks roy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users = Chris Albertson Home: 310-376-1029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 310-990-7550 Office: 310-336-5189 [EMAIL PROTECTED] KG6OMK __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box - sorta OT, more a bout Dell
FWIW: I order a lot of Dells. My boss is cheap. That being said, I *like* Dell, it's a very well designed box. It's been said many times that Dell does not innovate, instead they copy and improve and I firmly agree with the improve part - they are a dream to work on. Some things to watch out for with Dell: 1. They typically tack on a shipping charge of $139 Cdn (yes they are using the shipping charge as a profit center) - the shipping charge is not negotiable, *but* once in a while they waive the shipping if sales are slow, so it behooves you to check and order *just* before the end of the month when there is an internal push to meet sales targets and move boxes 2. Don't bother ordering RAM from Dell. Configure the box w/ 128mb of RAM, and as soon as you get the RAM, rip it out and buy 3rd party, which is as much as 50% cheaper and in most cases is *exactly* the same RAM as the Dell box. Your box dies? Take out your RAM, stick in your original 128mb, then call Dell. As an example, on the 400SC mentioned here, I can get a 512mb stick from a Vancouver place that I order from (ncix.com) for $102 Cdn!!! 3. First thing we do when we get Dells is throw away the driver disks because they are useless. Instead, we open up the box, determine what chipsets they use, and download new drivers from the OEM. Typically, they are more up to date, and in the Windows world, they aren't tied to a specific OS like XP (you can't install a factory Dimension broadcom Dell driver on Win2K, because it is XP-only, for example) 4. Dell loves to do hidden partitions on hard drives for their BIOS setups, like Compaq Deskpros, Prolineas and Proliants of yore. That means you can't press Del to enter a BIOS setup like you can on a clone AMI bios. You press F2 and the system boots from the hidden partition. This presents a problem if you re-image the drive with GHOST or install a distro and specify to re partition the HDD. What I do is GHOST the factory HDD to another HDD, re-partition it or re image it, and carry on with life. If I ever have to change the boxes BIOS, I pop in the original imaged of the HDD and boot off that. What makes this work well is Dell's killer design - you don't need tools to get in the case or remove the HDD. Takes all of 30 seconds to do a drive swap. -Original Message- From: David Mynatt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 7:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box That's really good. Can you share the Dell contact info? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mahler Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I have a Dell 400sc sever on order. It will be shipped on the 27th. It is a 2.4GHz P4 with a 533 MHz front side bus, a 40GB disk, 128MB of memory, sound card, ethernet, and year of on-site next day maintenance. It is $318 delivered after rebates. Yes, $318. This is a real server, by the way, not a desktop machine. It also makes NO noise. I can't hear a thing with my ear right next to it. Why would you even THINK about getting anything else? Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. Ideally Asterisk will be ported one day to Linux/ARM or some other very low cost platform. for VOIP you do not need the PCI slots. In theory Asterisk could run on a Lynksys router box with re-flashed EEPROM. After all Lynksys' latest wireless router runs Linux inside Low cost to me means low total cost of ownership To get this I don't think buying the lowest priced parts is the way to go. I want quality mainboard, and a quality power supply and, this is importernt: A low internal case temperature. for this reason I'll spend the extra $50 to go with Antec cases and ASUS mainboards over the generic ones. What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric
RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
I got in on the same Dell deal I think. You must hang out on the bargain boards just like I do? I hang out mainly at fatwallet.com. This is the thread that I got in on the Dell machines that I just recently purchased. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?start=920catid=24threadid= 264777 I found out by another 400SC user and you can not control assign interrupts on the PCI slots on this machine. Does that point bother you if you are going to run this unit with *? I want to put 3 X100P cards and 1 TDM400P in my up coming 400SC, but not sure if I will have conflict if I use up all the PCI slots in the machine. Charles Alvis Internet Technology Group Redmond, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mahler Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I have a Dell 400sc sever on order. It will be shipped on the 27th. It is a 2.4GHz P4 with a 533 MHz front side bus, a 40GB disk, 128MB of memory, sound card, ethernet, and year of on-site next day maintenance. It is $318 delivered after rebates. Yes, $318. This is a real server, by the way, not a desktop machine. It also makes NO noise. I can't hear a thing with my ear right next to it. Why would you even THINK about getting anything else? Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. Ideally Asterisk will be ported one day to Linux/ARM or some other very low cost platform. for VOIP you do not need the PCI slots. In theory Asterisk could run on a Lynksys router box with re-flashed EEPROM. After all Lynksys' latest wireless router runs Linux inside Low cost to me means low total cost of ownership To get this I don't think buying the lowest priced parts is the way to go. I want quality mainboard, and a quality power supply and, this is importernt: A low internal case temperature. for this reason I'll spend the extra $50 to go with Antec cases and ASUS mainboards over the generic ones. What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. --- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 (¤ 216) plus a small ¤50 drive and cables, so say ¤300. This consists of a cheap MB with a duron 1400, 256MB SDRAM and two HFC-PCI cards (if capijod will finish off the zaptel-driver soon). This is all in a cheap PC case. What do you think? Should this be doable? as a product? With only IP phones and potentially a fax solution? any ideas? thanks roy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users = Chris Albertson Home: 310-376-1029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 310-990-7550 Office: 310-336-5189 [EMAIL PROTECTED] KG6OMK __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
FAQ for Dell 400SC: http://www.aaltonen.us/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8 Jim James H. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: calvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I got in on the same Dell deal I think. You must hang out on the bargain boards just like I do? I hang out mainly at fatwallet.com. This is the thread that I got in on the Dell machines that I just recently purchased. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?start=920catid=24threadid= 264777 I found out by another 400SC user and you can not control assign interrupts on the PCI slots on this machine. Does that point bother you if you are going to run this unit with *? I want to put 3 X100P cards and 1 TDM400P in my up coming 400SC, but not sure if I will have conflict if I use up all the PCI slots in the machine. Charles Alvis Internet Technology Group Redmond, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mahler Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I have a Dell 400sc sever on order. It will be shipped on the 27th. It is a 2.4GHz P4 with a 533 MHz front side bus, a 40GB disk, 128MB of memory, sound card, ethernet, and year of on-site next day maintenance. It is $318 delivered after rebates. Yes, $318. This is a real server, by the way, not a desktop machine. It also makes NO noise. I can't hear a thing with my ear right next to it. Why would you even THINK about getting anything else? Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. Ideally Asterisk will be ported one day to Linux/ARM or some other very low cost platform. for VOIP you do not need the PCI slots. In theory Asterisk could run on a Lynksys router box with re-flashed EEPROM. After all Lynksys' latest wireless router runs Linux inside Low cost to me means low total cost of ownership To get this I don't think buying the lowest priced parts is the way to go. I want quality mainboard, and a quality power supply and, this is importernt: A low internal case temperature. for this reason I'll spend the extra $50 to go with Antec cases and ASUS mainboards over the generic ones. What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. --- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 (¤ 216) plus a small ¤50 drive and cables, so say ¤300. This consists of a cheap MB with a duron 1400, 256MB SDRAM and two HFC-PCI cards (if capijod will finish off the zaptel-driver soon). This is all in a cheap PC case. What do you think? Should this be doable? as a product? With only IP phones and potentially a fax solution? any ideas? thanks roy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users = Chris Albertson Home: 310-376-1029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 310-990-7550 Office: 310-336-5189 [EMAIL PROTECTED] KG6OMK __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com
RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
I don't need to use the lowest end server for asterisk, but something reasonable. I need to put one TE410P and 2 TDM400P boards in it. We have about 20 heavy telephone users in the company. Can someone suggest reasonable priced and reliable box? Thanks, Aram Ter-Martirosyan Senior Account Manager Hi-Tech Gateway, Inc. http://www.hi-teck.com 1225 Grand Central Ave. Glendale, CA 91201 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel 818.546.4601 fax 818.546.4617 Turning Technology Into Business Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James H. Thompson Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 5:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box FAQ for Dell 400SC: http://www.aaltonen.us/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8 Jim James H. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: calvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I got in on the same Dell deal I think. You must hang out on the bargain boards just like I do? I hang out mainly at fatwallet.com. This is the thread that I got in on the Dell machines that I just recently purchased. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?start=920catid=24threadid= 264777 I found out by another 400SC user and you can not control assign interrupts on the PCI slots on this machine. Does that point bother you if you are going to run this unit with *? I want to put 3 X100P cards and 1 TDM400P in my up coming 400SC, but not sure if I will have conflict if I use up all the PCI slots in the machine. Charles Alvis Internet Technology Group Redmond, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mahler Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I have a Dell 400sc sever on order. It will be shipped on the 27th. It is a 2.4GHz P4 with a 533 MHz front side bus, a 40GB disk, 128MB of memory, sound card, ethernet, and year of on-site next day maintenance. It is $318 delivered after rebates. Yes, $318. This is a real server, by the way, not a desktop machine. It also makes NO noise. I can't hear a thing with my ear right next to it. Why would you even THINK about getting anything else? Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. Ideally Asterisk will be ported one day to Linux/ARM or some other very low cost platform. for VOIP you do not need the PCI slots. In theory Asterisk could run on a Lynksys router box with re-flashed EEPROM. After all Lynksys' latest wireless router runs Linux inside Low cost to me means low total cost of ownership To get this I don't think buying the lowest priced parts is the way to go. I want quality mainboard, and a quality power supply and, this is importernt: A low internal case temperature. for this reason I'll spend the extra $50 to go with Antec cases and ASUS mainboards over the generic ones. What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. --- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 (¤ 216) plus a small ¤50 drive and cables, so say ¤300. This consists of a cheap MB with a duron 1400, 256MB SDRAM and two HFC-PCI cards (if capijod will finish off the zaptel-driver soon). This is all in a cheap PC case. What do you think? Should this be doable? as a product? With only IP phones and potentially a fax solution? any ideas? thanks roy
[Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 (¤ 216) plus a small ¤50 drive and cables, so say ¤300. This consists of a cheap MB with a duron 1400, 256MB SDRAM and two HFC-PCI cards (if capijod will finish off the zaptel-driver soon). This is all in a cheap PC case. What do you think? Should this be doable? as a product? With only IP phones and potentially a fax solution? any ideas? thanks roy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:08 AM To: Asterisk Users Subject: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 ( 216) plus a small 50 drive and cables, so say 300. This consists of a cheap MB with a duron 1400, 256MB SDRAM and two HFC-PCI cards (if capijod will finish off the zaptel-driver soon). This is all in a cheap PC case. What do you think? Should this be doable? as a product? With only IP phones and potentially a fax solution? any ideas? I've got one system with 10 IP phones + SIP term + 2 FXS + 4 FXO running on a P700 with 256 MB RAM. It works just fine, and the CPU is rarely over 40%. Sounds like that box will work from a capability standpoint. Daryl G. Jurbala BMPC Network Operations Tel (NY): +1 917 477 0468 x235 Tel (MI): +1 616 608 0004 x235 Tel (UK): +44 208 792 6813 x235 Fax: +1 508 526 8500 INOC-DBA: 26412*DGJ PGP Key: http://www.introspect.net/pgp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. Ideally Asterisk will be ported one day to Linux/ARM or some other very low cost platform. for VOIP you do not need the PCI slots. In theory Asterisk could run on a Lynksys router box with re-flashed EEPROM. After all Lynksys' latest wireless router runs Linux inside Low cost to me means low total cost of ownership To get this I don't think buying the lowest priced parts is the way to go. I want quality mainboard, and a quality power supply and, this is importernt: A low internal case temperature. for this reason I'll spend the extra $50 to go with Antec cases and ASUS mainboards over the generic ones. What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. --- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 (¤ 216) plus a small ¤50 drive and cables, so say ¤300. This consists of a cheap MB with a duron 1400, 256MB SDRAM and two HFC-PCI cards (if capijod will finish off the zaptel-driver soon). This is all in a cheap PC case. What do you think? Should this be doable? as a product? With only IP phones and potentially a fax solution? any ideas? thanks roy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users = Chris Albertson Home: 310-376-1029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 310-990-7550 Office: 310-336-5189 [EMAIL PROTECTED] KG6OMK __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
It's not what I would want to depend on day in and day out. I know that you can buy Dell PowerEdge SC400 servers for $299 with HDD, memory, and either a celeron or p4, depending on what day of the week it is. I'd put my name on the Dell based solution before the white box solution for the same money. --Mike hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 (¤ 216) plus a small ¤50 drive and cables, so say ¤300. This consists of a cheap MB with a duron 1400, 256MB SDRAM and two HFC-PCI cards (if capijod will finish off the zaptel-driver soon). This is all in a cheap PC case. What do you think? Should this be doable? as a product? With only IP phones and potentially a fax solution? any ideas? thanks roy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
Are you wanting to make a pre-built * box, with hardware to connect a single dial line and one traditional phone, or.. ? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:08 AM To: Asterisk Users Subject: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 ( 216) plus a small 50 drive and cables, so say 300. This consists of a cheap MB with a duron 1400, 256MB SDRAM and two HFC-PCI cards (if capijod will finish off the zaptel-driver soon). This is all in a cheap PC case. What do you think? Should this be doable? as a product? With only IP phones and potentially a fax solution? any ideas? I've got one system with 10 IP phones + SIP term + 2 FXS + 4 FXO running on a P700 with 256 MB RAM. It works just fine, and the CPU is rarely over 40%. Sounds like that box will work from a capability standpoint. Daryl G. Jurbala BMPC Network Operations Tel (NY): +1 917 477 0468 x235 Tel (MI): +1 616 608 0004 x235 Tel (UK): +44 208 792 6813 x235 Fax: +1 508 526 8500 INOC-DBA: 26412*DGJ PGP Key: http://www.introspect.net/pgp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 14:31, Chris Albertson wrote: I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. I'm also looking at this. I was thinking on a system without a hard drive, booting from a pendrive or flashdive. I want to avoid moving parts, they always break or get dirty and are noisy. If there are other people working on this, we might join efforts and work together and came up with a small linux version with asterisk included, that can boot from a pendrive or a cdrom. -- Nicolas Gudino [EMAIL PROTECTED] House Internet S.R.L. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
Hi, I'm interested in participating on the embedded side. One of our RD labs is working on a number of embedded server solutions, including servers that are built around a 3 square PCB, linked to a 2 square PCB with a compact flash interface. It's robust, and up to military standards (but it's within the civilian domain, so there are no import/export restrictions). I'm looking to build a solution, with a custom Linux dist (that's not my domain, so I'm looking forward for other people to take this up!), which can be built into a number of sizes: - 1u 19 rackmount, but only 400mm deep, so circa that of a router or a switch. Think - Cisco - 1u 8.5 rackmount, mini-Lan cabinets for residential applications - 3u 19 rackmount, only 400mm, but with front loading for drives, compact flash (two interfaces for swapping Asterisk loads) and LCD status or LED status (basically, enough room inside to have two PSU's for redundancy and space for two or three E1/T1 PRI boards. - Robust IP66 grade outdoor unit - for emergency applications, and for temporary backup solutions We have the capability to manufacture these - so I see potential in developing some robust solutions for the small-biz, and even medium-biz markets. Contact me offlist for specific's, or onlist for more group-orientated specifics. Ad. On 15 Jan 2004, at 7:10 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 14 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box From: Nicolas Gudino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: House Internet S.R.L. Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:52:43 -0300 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 14:31, Chris Albertson wrote: I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. I'm also looking at this. I was thinking on a system without a hard drive, booting from a pendrive or flashdive. I want to avoid moving parts, they always break or get dirty and are noisy. If there are other people working on this, we might join efforts and work together and came up with a small linux version with asterisk included, that can boot from a pendrive or a cdrom. -- Nicolas Gudino [EMAIL PROTECTED] House Internet S.R.L. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
I have a Dell 400sc sever on order. It will be shipped on the 27th. It is a 2.4GHz P4 with a 533 MHz front side bus, a 40GB disk, 128MB of memory, sound card, ethernet, and year of on-site next day maintenance. It is $318 delivered after rebates. Yes, $318. This is a real server, by the way, not a desktop machine. It also makes NO noise. I can't hear a thing with my ear right next to it. Why would you even THINK about getting anything else? Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. Ideally Asterisk will be ported one day to Linux/ARM or some other very low cost platform. for VOIP you do not need the PCI slots. In theory Asterisk could run on a Lynksys router box with re-flashed EEPROM. After all Lynksys' latest wireless router runs Linux inside Low cost to me means low total cost of ownership To get this I don't think buying the lowest priced parts is the way to go. I want quality mainboard, and a quality power supply and, this is importernt: A low internal case temperature. for this reason I'll spend the extra $50 to go with Antec cases and ASUS mainboards over the generic ones. What I'm finding is that the PCs are so cheap that the cost of electric power to run them is now a large part of the cost. (assume 0.20/kwh times 200W times 365 days = $350. So you pay for the PC again every year in electric power to run it. Worse. In an office with airconditioning _all_ of that PC's 200W goes to heat and your A/C unit will use about 220W of power to remove that 200W of heat.) and at a small office they will not have a server room so noise from the fan is an issue. --- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all what about this... I just put together a box on a web shop (komplett.no) that will cost me NOK ~1850 (¤ 216) plus a small ¤50 drive and cables, so say ¤300. This consists of a cheap MB with a duron 1400, 256MB SDRAM and two HFC-PCI cards (if capijod will finish off the zaptel-driver soon). This is all in a cheap PC case. What do you think? Should this be doable? as a product? With only IP phones and potentially a fax solution? any ideas? thanks roy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users = Chris Albertson Home: 310-376-1029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 310-990-7550 Office: 310-336-5189 [EMAIL PROTECTED] KG6OMK __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box
At one point I had Asterisk running on a Fedora Core 1 based embedded system using a Soekris embedded device. Once the OS is running, the only hard part is finding a source of timing for the MOH and conference calling. However, I think the new Soekris units have a timing source on them (USB). --Ernest At 03:06 PM 1/15/2004, you wrote: Hi, I'm interested in participating on the embedded side. One of our RD labs is working on a number of embedded server solutions, including servers that are built around a 3 square PCB, linked to a 2 square PCB with a compact flash interface. It's robust, and up to military standards (but it's within the civilian domain, so there are no import/export restrictions). I'm looking to build a solution, with a custom Linux dist (that's not my domain, so I'm looking forward for other people to take this up!), which can be built into a number of sizes: - 1u 19 rackmount, but only 400mm deep, so circa that of a router or a switch. Think - Cisco - 1u 8.5 rackmount, mini-Lan cabinets for residential applications - 3u 19 rackmount, only 400mm, but with front loading for drives, compact flash (two interfaces for swapping Asterisk loads) and LCD status or LED status (basically, enough room inside to have two PSU's for redundancy and space for two or three E1/T1 PRI boards. - Robust IP66 grade outdoor unit - for emergency applications, and for temporary backup solutions We have the capability to manufacture these - so I see potential in developing some robust solutions for the small-biz, and even medium-biz markets. Contact me offlist for specific's, or onlist for more group-orientated specifics. Ad. On 15 Jan 2004, at 7:10 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 14 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ultra-cheap asterisk box From: Nicolas Gudino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: House Internet S.R.L. Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:52:43 -0300 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 14:31, Chris Albertson wrote: I'm looking to do about the same thing, build very low cost systems. (I'm looking at putting Asterisk at some non-profit organizations.) but one thing you can't make a compromise on is reliabilty. It has to work and keep working for years to come. I was able to keep the price of a new PC to about $300 ad still use an ASUS mainboard and an AMD XP2600+ The trick is to add absolutly nothing not needed. No floppy, no CDROM so you can run off a 200W P/S. Next I'll experiment with a notebook sized IDE disk drives and to see if _underclocking_ the CPU reduces it's power comsumption enough that we can save one fan. I'm also looking at this. I was thinking on a system without a hard drive, booting from a pendrive or flashdive. I want to avoid moving parts, they always break or get dirty and are noisy. If there are other people working on this, we might join efforts and work together and came up with a small linux version with asterisk included, that can boot from a pendrive or a cdrom. -- Nicolas Gudino [EMAIL PROTECTED] House Internet S.R.L. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
