Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
Vincent, You can get hardphones from http://www.atcom.cn/ I've been using a few since long and its pretty reliable. Go for the AT620's. They are not that costly. Softphone with Zoiper in the free version doesnt support G723 or G729 codecs. If you need them try IAXLITE. Just google IAXLITE, you can find it. Cheers. 2009/10/31 Joseph syscon...@gmail.com: On 10/30/09 12:55, Vincent wrote: Hello Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. For those of you using this protocol instead of SIP, what would you recommend as IAX hardphones and Windows (and ideally Mac) softphones? How about Digium iaxy adapter, I've used it in the past, it register to your asterisk as soon as you plug it to any network (borrow any hotels phone, plug it into the iaxy adapter) and you have your solution. The is a web-page that will allow you to provision the adapter over the Internet if you have to (don't have the link). -- Joseph ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Sunil Charly ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
What version of the IAXy are you running the ones that I have do not have a web interface and require IAXprov to provision? = -Original Message- = From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- = boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Joseph = Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:07 PM = To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion = Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones? = = On 10/30/09 12:55, Vincent wrote: = Hello = = Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect = from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX = phones instead. = = For those of you using this protocol instead of SIP, what would you = recommend as IAX hardphones and Windows (and ideally Mac) softphones? = = How about Digium iaxy adapter, I've used it in the past, it register = to your asterisk as soon as you plug it to any network (borrow any = hotels phone, plug it = into the iaxy adapter) and you have your solution. = The is a web-page that will allow you to provision the adapter over = the Internet if you have to (don't have the link). = = -- = Joseph = = ___ = -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- = = asterisk-users mailing list = To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: =http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users = = -- = This message was scanned by Connected.Net and is believed to be clean. = Click here to report this message as spam. = http://sef001.sc.connected.net/cgi-bin/learn- = msg.cgi?id=0EB1F106F81.07111 = ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
On 11/01/09 11:04, Alexander Lopez wrote: What version of the IAXy are you running the ones that I have do not have a web interface and require IAXprov to provision? [snip] The one I have is using standard Linux command line for provisioning but one time I run onto a web-page that offered iaxy provisioning, though I can not find it anymore. I know there is Windows XP and 2000 provisioning software. -- Joseph ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
Joseph wrote: On 10/30/09 12:55, Vincent wrote: Hello Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. For those of you using this protocol instead of SIP, what would you recommend as IAX hardphones and Windows (and ideally Mac) softphones? How about Digium iaxy adapter, I've used it in the past, it register to your asterisk as soon as you plug it to any network (borrow any hotels phone, plug it into the iaxy adapter) and you have your solution. The is a web-page that will allow you to provision the adapter over the Internet if you have to (don't have the link). Isn't the IAXy a discontinued product? The web page is a 3rd party solution to provision the IAXy, if my memory isn't completely shot, and isn't built into the IAXy John Novack Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.39/2470 - Release Date: 10/30/09 15:18:00 -- Dog is my co-pilot ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
On 11/01/09 13:01, John Novack wrote: [snip] Isn't the IAXy a discontinued product? The web page is a 3rd party solution to provision the IAXy, if my memory isn't completely shot, and isn't built into the IAXy John Novack It looks like it is discontinued. When did they discontinued it? It was a nice little device, I don't like the internal PC cards they are getting obsolete as fast as the PC bus is getting obsolete; besides if something goes wrong, how long does it take to remove internal card and put it into another PC and configure it. Yes, it was the third party web-page, is gone too. One day IAX will be replaced by SIP :-( -- Joseph ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
On 10/30/09 12:55, Vincent wrote: Hello Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. For those of you using this protocol instead of SIP, what would you recommend as IAX hardphones and Windows (and ideally Mac) softphones? How about Digium iaxy adapter, I've used it in the past, it register to your asterisk as soon as you plug it to any network (borrow any hotels phone, plug it into the iaxy adapter) and you have your solution. The is a web-page that will allow you to provision the adapter over the Internet if you have to (don't have the link). -- Joseph ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
Hello Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. For those of you using this protocol instead of SIP, what would you recommend as IAX hardphones and Windows (and ideally Mac) softphones? Thank you. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
Vincent wrote: Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. What gives you that idea? -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
I assume you're kidding?! RTP is mangled/blocked by most hotspots and mid-size company firewalls... IAX is often the only way our staff can connect while on the road. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:03 AM To: Asterisk Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones? Vincent wrote: Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. What gives you that idea? -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
My experience does not support your conclusions. In my personal observations of situations in which I have been involved, most allegations of serious SIP problems related to source NAT (IP masquerading) are exaggerations stemming from lack of subject matter comprehension. This is bearing in mind, duly, that SIP and NAT *is*, inherently, a problematic equation - of that, there can be no question. But I've never had problems getting a SIP soft phone to make and receive calls from anywhere I've taken it. The only substantial problem I've run into is that many NAT gateways lose UDP state quite quickly, so after a certain period of inactivity, calls cannot be received; this is solved by decreasing the re-registration interval, or increasing the frequency of state-sustaining SIP OPTIONS pings, etc. Many service providers have implemented such steps since the last time I was involved with this problem seriously. I'll take your word for the fact that IAX may be easier, though. Michelle Dupuis wrote: I assume you're kidding?! RTP is mangled/blocked by most hotspots and mid-size company firewalls... IAX is often the only way our staff can connect while on the road. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:03 AM To: Asterisk Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones? Vincent wrote: Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. What gives you that idea? -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
Because RTP ports are assigned dynamically (and not necessarily symmetrically) during call setup using SIP, you need a SIP aware firewall. Without one, you may get SIP registration, but usually one-way/no audio (RTP). Most hotels and hotspots do NOT support SIP - either because they run cheap firewalls/routers or because VoIP competes with other services they offer. IAX is single port and symmetrical so even cheap firewalls/routers can pass this without additional setup. Our consultants travel across North America and we finally gave up on SIP phones because of these hassles. (Trying to explain SIP, NAT, IP Masquerading, symmetry, RTP, etc to tech support for each hotel was a time waster. *We* know what the NAT/IP Masquerading issue is - but that doesn't help some tech support guy in India assisting Marriott customers). Perhaps wherever you are located the state of firewalls/routers is different. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:37 AM To: Asterisk Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones? My experience does not support your conclusions. In my personal observations of situations in which I have been involved, most allegations of serious SIP problems related to source NAT (IP masquerading) are exaggerations stemming from lack of subject matter comprehension. This is bearing in mind, duly, that SIP and NAT *is*, inherently, a problematic equation - of that, there can be no question. But I've never had problems getting a SIP soft phone to make and receive calls from anywhere I've taken it. The only substantial problem I've run into is that many NAT gateways lose UDP state quite quickly, so after a certain period of inactivity, calls cannot be received; this is solved by decreasing the re-registration interval, or increasing the frequency of state-sustaining SIP OPTIONS pings, etc. Many service providers have implemented such steps since the last time I was involved with this problem seriously. I'll take your word for the fact that IAX may be easier, though. Michelle Dupuis wrote: I assume you're kidding?! RTP is mangled/blocked by most hotspots and mid-size company firewalls... IAX is often the only way our staff can connect while on the road. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:03 AM To: Asterisk Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones? Vincent wrote: Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. What gives you that idea? -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
On the contrary, SIP-aware ALGs mostly do more harm than good. While their purpose is noble, their implementation is frequently lacking/ incomplete and conflicts with existing far-end NAT traversal approaches taken by most service providers these days. These are also present in commercial PBX equipment, e.g. along the lines of nat=yes in sip.conf. Almost all UAs symmetrically signal and the overwhelming majority do symmetrical RTP as well. This used to be more of a problem a few years ago. I don't disagree that IAX may be easier still. I just haven't found that the alleged problems of SIP and NAT live up to the hype now that almost every commercial service edge does far-end NAT detection and draft-comedia style RTP handling. -- Sent from mobile device On Oct 30, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Michelle Dupuis supp...@ocg.ca wrote: Because RTP ports are assigned dynamically (and not necessarily symmetrically) during call setup using SIP, you need a SIP aware firewall. Without one, you may get SIP registration, but usually one-way/no audio (RTP). Most hotels and hotspots do NOT support SIP - either because they run cheap firewalls/routers or because VoIP competes with other services they offer. IAX is single port and symmetrical so even cheap firewalls/routers can pass this without additional setup. Our consultants travel across North America and we finally gave up on SIP phones because of these hassles. (Trying to explain SIP, NAT, IP Masquerading, symmetry, RTP, etc to tech support for each hotel was a time waster. *We* know what the NAT/IP Masquerading issue is - but that doesn't help some tech support guy in India assisting Marriott customers). Perhaps wherever you are located the state of firewalls/routers is different. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:37 AM To: Asterisk Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones? My experience does not support your conclusions. In my personal observations of situations in which I have been involved, most allegations of serious SIP problems related to source NAT (IP masquerading) are exaggerations stemming from lack of subject matter comprehension. This is bearing in mind, duly, that SIP and NAT *is*, inherently, a problematic equation - of that, there can be no question. But I've never had problems getting a SIP soft phone to make and receive calls from anywhere I've taken it. The only substantial problem I've run into is that many NAT gateways lose UDP state quite quickly, so after a certain period of inactivity, calls cannot be received; this is solved by decreasing the re-registration interval, or increasing the frequency of state-sustaining SIP OPTIONS pings, etc. Many service providers have implemented such steps since the last time I was involved with this problem seriously. I'll take your word for the fact that IAX may be easier, though. Michelle Dupuis wrote: I assume you're kidding?! RTP is mangled/blocked by most hotspots and mid-size company firewalls... IAX is often the only way our staff can connect while on the road. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:03 AM To: Asterisk Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones? Vincent wrote: Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. What gives you that idea? -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
On Oct 30, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Vincent wrote: Hello Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. For those of you using this protocol instead of SIP, what would you recommend as IAX hardphones and Windows (and ideally Mac) softphones? Thank you. I'll avoid the SIP/IAX religious war that usually breaks out over this topic and actually provide an answer to your question. :-) Citel just announced an IAX hardphone not long ago. I haven't used it, but maybe you'd want to give it a shot and let the rest of us know how it works. As far as softphones, I'd say Zoiper has been my choice for a while - runs on Mac and Windows. (note: these are not official recommendations; just random personal selections made with no discernible criteria other than it seemed like a good idea at the time) JT --- John Todd email:jt...@digium.com Digium, Inc. | Asterisk Open Source Community Director 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville AL 35806 - USA direct: +1-256-428-6083 http://www.digium.com/ ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:33:02 -0400, John Todd wrote: On Oct 30, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Vincent wrote: Hello Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. For those of you using this protocol instead of SIP, what would you recommend as IAX hardphones and Windows (and ideally Mac) softphones? Thank you. I'll avoid the SIP/IAX religious war that usually breaks out over this topic and actually provide an answer to your question. :-) Citel just announced an IAX hardphone not long ago. I haven't used it, but maybe you'd want to give it a shot and let the rest of us know how it works. As far as softphones, I'd say Zoiper has been my choice for a while - runs on Mac and Windows. (note: these are not official recommendations; just random personal selections made with no discernible criteria other than it seemed like a good idea at the time) As a road warrior myself I find that SIP soft phones have been becoming more and more effecticve from hotels in the US Canada. There are still occasions when they won't work for reasons of port blocking or NAT, but not very often anymore. Things have improved in recent years. The larger issue I have with VoIP over hotel networks are congestion and Wifi. Often hotel networks are very slow which renders then useless for VoIP. And wifi is usually a problem. As a shared medium I find that Wifi can be a significant impediment to good voip calls. That said, when Eyebeam or PhonerLite doesn't work for me Skype almost always does. Michael -- Michael Graves mgravesatmstvp.com http://www.mgraves.org o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:mgra...@mstvp.onsip.com skype mjgraves Twitter mjgraves ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [IAX] Recommended soft- and hardphones?
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Vincent wrote: Hello Since SIP/RTP is a pain to use with road warriors who need to connect from any location over the Internet, I'd like to get them some IAX phones instead. For those of you using this protocol instead of SIP, what would you recommend as IAX hardphones and Windows (and ideally Mac) softphones? Try Zoiper - www.zoiper.com It's cross platform - Linux/Win/Mac. Gordon ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
