Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:52:34AM +1300, Daniel Harper wrote:
> What about leaving the old PBX in place and trunking it via ISDN to the
> asterisk server.
> 
> We use rhino 24 channel bank but are 2U for rhino + 1U for patch panel.
> (RJ21 cable so might be able to use existing ones if they are RJ21)
> 
> Used USB xorcoms a while back, things may of changed but if one is down and
> reboot server then asterisk doesn't come up.

Not with recent versions of DAHDI. Assuming you set auto_assign_spans=0,
DAHDI channel and span numbers are mapped in
/etc/dahdi/assigned-spans.conf the order of their startup is irrelevant:
the identification of channels attached to either serial
number or connector, and not to semi-random initialization order.

And this is why Asterisk could afford itself not to fail if DAHDI
channels are missing. Originally it failed because missing devices meant
that a device may be missing and thus existing channels may be
misplaced.

With a recent enough version of Asterisk, and with
ignore_failed_channels = true in chan_dahdi.conf (the default as of 13.
Makes sense also if you only have a single DAHDI device to begin with)
Asterisk will not fail if channels are missing: they wil just come
later. And indeed Asterisk can now allow DAHDI channels to be created
after initialization, and thus Asterisk does not need to wait for all
DAHDI devices to initialize before starting.

(This is not specific to Xorcom hardware and should generally apply to
any DAHDI hardware. I'm not exactly sure how this interacts with dynamic
spans and interested to hear reports, probably in a different thread)

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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Daniel Harper]

What about leaving the old PBX in place and trunking it via ISDN to the
asterisk server.

We use rhino 24 channel bank but are 2U for rhino + 1U for patch panel.
(RJ21 cable so might be able to use existing ones if they are RJ21)

Used USB xorcoms a while back, things may of changed but if one is down and
reboot server then asterisk doesn't come up.

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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Harry McGregor]

Hi,

All of the back and forth of Analog vs VoIP handsets tend to ignore some 
of the basic issues.


What type of cabling is in place, does it need to be upgraded to do 
Ethernet, etc.


The "gateways" can be handy if there are many closets where the wiring 
terminates AND you have Ethernet to these locations.  That being said 
you probably should have some amount of backup battery power any 
location you put a gateway.  You can also do this running your own T1 
lines to the closet and channel banks in the closet.


If all of the lines come back to the same place, you only have to have 
backup battery in a single location.


I have seen enough hackish VoIP deployments, that I can see many cases 
that Analog is cleaner.  For example, IBM Type1 cabling, can't run PoE, 
so they installed wall warts with each phone...


You also have to look at the use case.  Doing an "office" with Analog is 
very different then doing a phone in each classroom at a school, or even 
hotel phones.


The channel banks, even if you have to buy multiple to get the right 
cards, should average under $200 each, 8 port T1 cards are about $2K 
each, total cost to service 22x$200 + 6x$1000 = $10,400, or about $10 
per port, and you should be able to do it cheaper then this. This is of 
course using Ebay pricing, new would be much higher.


The gateways run about $25-30 per port, even for the lower end (like the 
Grandstream below).


Cabling costs depend greatly on location, around here it averages 
$100/drop in office environments, if your only doing one run to each 
room, it gets even higher, this is where the real cost of using VoIP 
handsets comes into play.


-Harry



On 02/17/2016 07:38 PM, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote:


That would be the expensive route.  The inexpensive route would be to 
buy FXS ethernet gateways, like this: 
http://www.voipsupply.com/grandstream-gxw4248. You could then get by 
with a single reasonably sized asterisk box (probably two setup as HA) 
and no need for expensive cards or complex channel bank setup.  We 
have done many hotels this way with great results.


j

On 02/17/2016 05:39 PM, chris wrote:


+1

spending money to get that many fxs ports is going to negate any 
savings of reusing analog phones instead of buying ip phones


1000 analog ports sounds like hell and if it was me I  would be 
embarrassed to have a setup like that tied to my name if I was a 
consultant etc. Someone will come in after you and ask who set it up 
and the customer will say you :)


On Feb 17, 2016 4:23 AM, "A J Stiles" > wrote:


On Wednesday 17 Feb 2016, Goke Aruna wrote:
> Hello all,
> Can someone recommend what hardware to use for a 1000 analogue line
> capacity asterisk PABX?
>
> Regards

A PCI express card with four primary rate ISDN ports, each linked
up to a
channel bank, will give you 120 analogue lines.  So you will need
nine such
cards; and for reasons of simple numbers of slots on a
motherboard, they will
have to be split among three or more servers, linked to a gigabit
switch.

You might end up getting a better deal if you bought 1000
hardware SIP phones.
(You also would probably increase your personal indispensability
factor, into
the bargain .)

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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Jeff LaCoursiere]

That would be the expensive route.  The inexpensive route would be to 
buy FXS ethernet gateways, like this: 
http://www.voipsupply.com/grandstream-gxw4248.  You could then get by 
with a single reasonably sized asterisk box (probably two setup as HA) 
and no need for expensive cards or complex channel bank setup.  We have 
done many hotels this way with great results.


j

On 02/17/2016 05:39 PM, chris wrote:


+1

spending money to get that many fxs ports is going to negate any 
savings of reusing analog phones instead of buying ip phones


1000 analog ports sounds like hell and if it was me I  would be 
embarrassed to have a setup like that tied to my name if I was a 
consultant etc. Someone will come in after you and ask who set it up 
and the customer will say you :)


On Feb 17, 2016 4:23 AM, "A J Stiles" > wrote:


On Wednesday 17 Feb 2016, Goke Aruna wrote:
> Hello all,
> Can someone recommend what hardware to use for a 1000 analogue line
> capacity asterisk PABX?
>
> Regards

A PCI express card with four primary rate ISDN ports, each linked
up to a
channel bank, will give you 120 analogue lines.  So you will need
nine such
cards; and for reasons of simple numbers of slots on a
motherboard, they will
have to be split among three or more servers, linked to a gigabit
switch.

You might end up getting a better deal if you bought 1000 hardware
SIP phones.
(You also would probably increase your personal indispensability
factor, into
the bargain .)

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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[chris]

+1

spending money to get that many fxs ports is going to negate any savings of
reusing analog phones instead of buying ip phones

1000 analog ports sounds like hell and if it was me I  would be embarrassed
to have a setup like that tied to my name if I was a consultant etc.
Someone will come in after you and ask who set it up and the customer will
say you :)
On Feb 17, 2016 4:23 AM, "A J Stiles"  wrote:

> On Wednesday 17 Feb 2016, Goke Aruna wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > Can someone recommend what hardware to use for a 1000 analogue line
> > capacity asterisk PABX?
> >
> > Regards
>
> A PCI express card with four primary rate ISDN ports, each linked up to a
> channel bank, will give you 120 analogue lines.  So you will need nine such
> cards; and for reasons of simple numbers of slots on a motherboard, they
> will
> have to be split among three or more servers, linked to a gigabit switch.
>
> You might end up getting a better deal if you bought 1000 hardware SIP
> phones.
> (You also would probably increase your personal indispensability factor,
> into
> the bargain .)
>
> --
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>
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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Goke Aruna]

Thank you all,
I will look at the options and work on them.
Regards

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:22 AM, A J Stiles 
wrote:

> On Wednesday 17 Feb 2016, Goke Aruna wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > Can someone recommend what hardware to use for a 1000 analogue line
> > capacity asterisk PABX?
> >
> > Regards
>
> A PCI express card with four primary rate ISDN ports, each linked up to a
> channel bank, will give you 120 analogue lines.  So you will need nine such
> cards; and for reasons of simple numbers of slots on a motherboard, they
> will
> have to be split among three or more servers, linked to a gigabit switch.
>
> You might end up getting a better deal if you bought 1000 hardware SIP
> phones.
> (You also would probably increase your personal indispensability factor,
> into
> the bargain .)
>
> --
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>
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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[A J Stiles]

On Wednesday 17 Feb 2016, Goke Aruna wrote:
> Hello all,
> Can someone recommend what hardware to use for a 1000 analogue line
> capacity asterisk PABX?
> 
> Regards

A PCI express card with four primary rate ISDN ports, each linked up to a 
channel bank, will give you 120 analogue lines.  So you will need nine such 
cards; and for reasons of simple numbers of slots on a motherboard, they will 
have to be split among three or more servers, linked to a gigabit switch.

You might end up getting a better deal if you bought 1000 hardware SIP phones.  
(You also would probably increase your personal indispensability factor, into 
the bargain .)

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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Goke Aruna]

Thanks

When I designed the server, I catered for only IP phones but customer want
to discard the existing analogue pbx while they want to reuse their cables
and analogue phones.

Regards
On Feb 17, 2016 09:27, "Matt Riddell (lists)"  wrote:

> There is definitely no way you should put 1000 lines on a single box. To
> be honest I do wonder what you want to do with 1000 lines as your
> description probably changes the recommendations.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Matt
>
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Goke Aruna  wrote:
>
> Thanks Harry.
> I will check and revert. I hope it work perfectly with asterisk.
> Regards
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Harry McGregor 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> For analog, I really like telco grade channel banks.
>>
>> I would recommend the adit 600, there is a good market on Ebay, and you
>> can do 48 channels per adit 600, with 2 T1 interfaces.  Having onsite
>> spares would not be an issue (cost is low).  You can put two next to each
>> other in a rack, taking up about 2U of space per 2 channel banks.
>>
>> You could service this with six eight port T1 cards, or with
>> eleven/twelve quad T1 cards.  I would distribute across two, three, or even
>> four servers for redundancy/resiliency and load balancing.
>>
>> -Harry
>>
>>
>> On 02/17/2016 12:16 AM, Goke Aruna wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Mitul Limbani  wrote:
>>
>>> Sangoma 50 port FXS
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Will I now stack 20 boxes in order to achieve the 1000 FXS lines?
>> Regards
>>
>>
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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Matt Riddell (lists)]

There is definitely no way you should put 1000 lines on a single box. To be 
honest I do wonder what you want to do with 1000 lines as your description 
probably changes the recommendations. 

Kind regards,

Matt

> On Feb 17, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Goke Aruna  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Harry.
> I will check and revert. I hope it work perfectly with asterisk.
> Regards
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Harry McGregor  
>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For analog, I really like telco grade channel banks.
>> 
>> I would recommend the adit 600, there is a good market on Ebay, and you can 
>> do 48 channels per adit 600, with 2 T1 interfaces.  Having onsite spares 
>> would not be an issue (cost is low).  You can put two next to each other in 
>> a rack, taking up about 2U of space per 2 channel banks.
>> 
>> You could service this with six eight port T1 cards, or with eleven/twelve 
>> quad T1 cards.  I would distribute across two, three, or even four servers 
>> for redundancy/resiliency and load balancing.
>> 
>> -Harry
>> 
>> 
>>> On 02/17/2016 12:16 AM, Goke Aruna wrote:
>>> 
 On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Mitul Limbani  wrote:
 Sangoma 50 port FXS
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> Will I now stack 20 boxes in order to achieve the 1000 FXS lines?
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Goke Aruna]

Thanks Harry.
I will check and revert. I hope it work perfectly with asterisk.
Regards

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Harry McGregor 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For analog, I really like telco grade channel banks.
>
> I would recommend the adit 600, there is a good market on Ebay, and you
> can do 48 channels per adit 600, with 2 T1 interfaces.  Having onsite
> spares would not be an issue (cost is low).  You can put two next to each
> other in a rack, taking up about 2U of space per 2 channel banks.
>
> You could service this with six eight port T1 cards, or with eleven/twelve
> quad T1 cards.  I would distribute across two, three, or even four servers
> for redundancy/resiliency and load balancing.
>
> -Harry
>
>
> On 02/17/2016 12:16 AM, Goke Aruna wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Mitul Limbani  wrote:
>
>> Sangoma 50 port FXS
>
>
>
> Thanks.
> Will I now stack 20 boxes in order to achieve the 1000 FXS lines?
> Regards
>
>
>
>
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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Harry McGregor]

Hi,

For analog, I really like telco grade channel banks.

I would recommend the adit 600, there is a good market on Ebay, and you 
can do 48 channels per adit 600, with 2 T1 interfaces.  Having onsite 
spares would not be an issue (cost is low).  You can put two next to 
each other in a rack, taking up about 2U of space per 2 channel banks.


You could service this with six eight port T1 cards, or with 
eleven/twelve quad T1 cards.  I would distribute across two, three, or 
even four servers for redundancy/resiliency and load balancing.


-Harry

On 02/17/2016 12:16 AM, Goke Aruna wrote:


On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Mitul Limbani > wrote:


Sangoma 50 port FXS 




Thanks.
Will I now stack 20 boxes in order to achieve the 1000 FXS lines?
Regards




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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Goke Aruna]

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Mitul Limbani  wrote:

> Sangoma 50 port FXS



Thanks.
Will I now stack 20 boxes in order to achieve the 1000 FXS lines?
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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Mitul Limbani]

Use Sangoma 50 port FXS
On Feb 17, 2016 12:42 PM, "Goke Aruna"  wrote:

> Thanks Mitul,
> The server spec is okay but I need information on the fxs hardware to use.
> Regards
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Mitul Limbani  wrote:
>
>> Quad core Xeon with 4GB ram
>> On Feb 17, 2016 12:32 PM, "Goke Aruna"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> Can someone recommend what hardware to use for a 1000 analogue line
>>> capacity asterisk PABX?
>>>
>>> Regards
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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Goke Aruna]

Thanks Mitul,
The server spec is okay but I need information on the fxs hardware to use.
Regards

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Mitul Limbani  wrote:

> Quad core Xeon with 4GB ram
> On Feb 17, 2016 12:32 PM, "Goke Aruna"  wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> Can someone recommend what hardware to use for a 1000 analogue line
>> capacity asterisk PABX?
>>
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Re: [asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Mitul Limbani]

Quad core Xeon with 4GB ram
On Feb 17, 2016 12:32 PM, "Goke Aruna"  wrote:

> Hello all,
> Can someone recommend what hardware to use for a 1000 analogue line
> capacity asterisk PABX?
>
> Regards
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[asterisk-users] 1000 analogue lines with asterisk

[Goke Aruna]

Hello all,
Can someone recommend what hardware to use for a 1000 analogue line
capacity asterisk PABX?

Regards
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