Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-10-03 Thread Atis Lezdins
 Can you describe exactly what you lose by using the dynamic queue member
 alternative? We tried to ensure that no functionality was lost in this
 transition, so if there is something that was missed please let us know
 what it is and we'll try to take care of it.

Now, i'm finally trying to migrate, and i see a problem here.

When i was using Agent channels there was status Busy indicated in show 
queues, whenever agent was on call from queue. I'm trying to do all the 
stuff with RT queue members and Local channels, but i'm missing this. I have 
read about GROUP usage in Local channel - so that upon call arrival Local 
channel can indicate that it's busy, however this is not executed upon show 
queues - so no status changes occur.

I believe this have some connection with  ast_device_state_changed, but it's 
only available in chan_agent, that as i understand is deprecated. 

Is there any other way how i would get status indication in show queues?

Regards,
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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-17 Thread Watkins, Bradley
 


 On a side note, does anyone have the URL to the AEL example so I can
 write out an extensions.conf version for the wiki?
 
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It's called queues-with-callback-members.txt in the /docs directory in
the source tree.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-17 Thread Rob Hillis
But as mentioned in the same email, the feature set just isn't the same 
and it's a /lot/ more difficult to implement.


I'll be extremely disappointed if it /does/ get removed from Asterisk 
without a suitable /easy/ and /equivalent/ function being made readily 
available.



Matt Riddell wrote:

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Paul Hales wrote:
  

It's a great feature, and one hopes it will return one day.

PaulH


On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 19:01 -0700, Ryan Stark wrote:


I tried to use it back in 1.4.6 or so and it is horribly broken, I
ended up rewriting the functionality with dynamic queue members in the
dial plan.  I really liked the call back agent feature set. I found it
to be far superior to dynamic queue member alternative. 
  


As the previous mail noted, it can be recreated with dynamic queue
members and so is unlikely to make a return.

The only problem is that the example for how to do this is written in
AEL, and that may be more than first time users can get their head around.

I tried to find the link, but can't - maybe someone else can help with that.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-17 Thread Alexandre Snarskii
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 05:31:30AM -0400, Watkins, Bradley wrote:
 
  On a side note, does anyone have the URL to the AEL example so I can
  write out an extensions.conf version for the wiki?
 
 It's called queues-with-callback-members.txt in the /docs directory in
 the source tree.

Well, this is a good starting point, but this document not 
addressing some issues arising when you trying to move your
existing AgentCallbackLogin-based setup to new one. 

Since the last week I'm preparing for such transition, and 
my findings may be useful for others: 

- there are no way to determine which agent is logged on which channel
from cli. For example, after we had authenticated agent and added him
with AddQueueMember(support,SIP/5464,,,) all I can see in cli is: 
vc*CLI queue show support 
support  has 0 calls (max 8) in 'roundrobin' strategy (3s holdtime), W:0, 
 C:1, A:2, SL:0.0% within 0s 
Members: 
  SIP/5464 (dynamic) (Not in use) has taken 1 calls (last was 24 secs ago)
Well, there is a possibility to explicitly 'name' agent, using
AddQueueMember(support,SIP/5464,,,Agent/1001), but the cli result is the
same... Patch for this issue is 2-line one, does anybody think that 
it's a good idea to open bug on it ? 

- AgentMonitorOutgoing just does not work with new setup, because
it's not agent logged in but just interface added... (Workaround: 
after successful login of agent issue Set(GLOBAL(AGENTBYCALLERID_5464)=1001),
that will help AgentMonitorOutgoing). 
The same workaround applies to populating CDR's with agent names 
for outbound calls. 

- CDR's not updated with agent 'names' for incoming calls, and the only 
workaround I found is to store agent-channel relationships in the same 
database you using for cdr's and fire triggers on cdr insertion to fix.. 
However, it does not helps when cdr's stored in file..
(May be I should write a patch to apps/app_queue.c, adding option
updatecdr, which mimics agents.conf one ? Should be about 10-lines one.. )

- In situations when agent leaves his phone without explicit logout,
there is no easy way to trigger logoff when next agent logs in on the 
same phone.. For CallbackLogin's we using ugly dialplan hack named
System('asterisk -rx agent logoff ${AGENTBYCALLERID_${CALLERID(num)}}')
but in any way, we have a way to do it... With dynamic members that
hack does not work, and you have no way to get list of queues, so
you can iterate them, looking is that interface is member of queue and 
remove it from one.. (well, my workaround to achieve so is to implement
login/logout logic in AGI, and get list of queues from queues.conf). 

- ChanSpy(Agent/) does not work in this setup. And ChanSpy(SIP/) is too 
dangerous, at least in our situation (one of our call-center applications 
is an office front-end, and giving call-center managers ability to Spy on 
CEO/CFO/CTO/ calls is a really bad idea..). I suppose, that can be helped
with setting SPYGROUP before call enters queue and resetting it when 
call is transferred to back-office, but not tested it yet. 

- and, as I had not yet finished our transision, this list is surely 
incomplete :) 


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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-16 Thread Matt Riddell
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Kevin P. Fleming wrote:
 Paul Hales wrote:
 
 I stand corrected - when I keyed AddQueueMember onto our in-house
 production server (1.2.23) I did not see that option. But on my test
 environment on my laptop (1.4.10) it's there looking back at me.
 
 That is correct, we added it in 1.4 specifically because it was
 necessary to allow AddQueueMember to be used to replace
 AgentCallbackLogin :-)

On a side note, does anyone have the URL to the AEL example so I can
write out an extensions.conf version for the wiki?

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-14 Thread James FitzGibbon
On 9/13/07, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It shouldn't be that hard to translate the AEL example into traditional
 dialplan language; in fact, Asterisk does that itself when you load the
 AEL into memory, so if you load it yourself and then do a 'dialplan
 show' you'll see the translated version, which you can then copy into
 your database.


You can also use 'aelparse -w' to dump extensions.ael as
extensions.ael.dumpto assist in this.  The branching and labeling of
priorities is designed for
efficiency, not readability, so you'll have to go over it carefully to get a
good feel for how AEL constructs are turned into extensions.

According to Murf, one of the purposes of this switch was to allow people to
write dialplan in AEL and insert it into * installations where AEL was
either not supported (1.2) or not viable (GUIs, realtime, resistance to
change, etc.).

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-14 Thread Anthony Francis


James FitzGibbon wrote:
 On 9/13/07, *Kevin P. Fleming* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It shouldn't be that hard to translate the AEL example into
 traditional
 dialplan language; in fact, Asterisk does that itself when you
 load the
 AEL into memory, so if you load it yourself and then do a 'dialplan
 show' you'll see the translated version, which you can then copy into
 your database.


 You can also use 'aelparse -w' to dump extensions.ael as 
 extensions.ael.dump to assist in this.  The branching and labeling of 
 priorities is designed for efficiency, not readability, so you'll have 
 to go over it carefully to get a good feel for how AEL constructs are 
 turned into extensions.

 According to Murf, one of the purposes of this switch was to allow 
 people to write dialplan in AEL and insert it into * installations 
 where AEL was either not supported (1.2) or not viable (GUIs, 
 realtime, resistance to change, etc.).

 -- 
 j.

 
Thank you for the awesome help!

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-13 Thread Paul Hales
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 21:45 -0700, Kevin P. Fleming wrote:
 Paul Hales wrote:
 
  I have written stuff using the addqueuemember, but you lose agent level
  functionality and reporting. :(
 
 Can you describe exactly what you lose by using the dynamic queue member
 alternative? We tried to ensure that no functionality was lost in this
 transition, so if there is something that was missed please let us know
 what it is and we'll try to take care of it.
 

It means that you end up reporting on SIP extensions, rather than agents
which doesn't work so well for call centres where people change desks or
have different staff using phones between shifts.

It also makes for messier dialplans. (but cleaner queue configs)

PaulH



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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-13 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Paul Hales wrote:

 It means that you end up reporting on SIP extensions, rather than agents
 which doesn't work so well for call centres where people change desks or
 have different staff using phones between shifts.

This has already been discussed multiple times on this list, and has not
been true since revision 43316 on Sept. 20 of 2006 (i.e. since before
Asterisk 1.4.0 was released).

AddQueueMember has a 'membername' argument that can be used to provide a
logical member name for any interface you add as a queue member, and if
provided this member name is used in the queue_log instead of the actual
interface name.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-13 Thread Anthony Francis


Kevin P. Fleming wrote:
 Paul Hales wrote:

   
 It means that you end up reporting on SIP extensions, rather than agents
 which doesn't work so well for call centres where people change desks or
 have different staff using phones between shifts.
 

 This has already been discussed multiple times on this list, and has not
 been true since revision 43316 on Sept. 20 of 2006 (i.e. since before
 Asterisk 1.4.0 was released).

 AddQueueMember has a 'membername' argument that can be used to provide a
 logical member name for any interface you add as a queue member, and if
 provided this member name is used in the queue_log instead of the actual
 interface name.

   
So the most helpful thing would be a solid example of how to exactly 
duplicate the agent callback login behavior in a real-time friendly 
manner. The part I am missing is how we are to do authentication.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-13 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Anthony Francis wrote:

 So the most helpful thing would be a solid example of how to exactly 
 duplicate the agent callback login behavior in a real-time friendly 
 manner. The part I am missing is how we are to do authentication.

Please define what you mean by Realtime friendly. Do you mean the agents
you had defined using AgentCallbackLogin() were in a Realtime-managed
database and not in agents.conf? If so, then the AEL example for
replacing AgentCallbackLogin would need to use the existing dialplan
applications/functions for querying the Realtime database to determine
if the agent number being supplied is a valid agent, and extract what
their password is.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-13 Thread Anthony Francis


Kevin P. Fleming wrote:
 Anthony Francis wrote:

   
 So the most helpful thing would be a solid example of how to exactly 
 duplicate the agent callback login behavior in a real-time friendly 
 manner. The part I am missing is how we are to do authentication.
 

 Please define what you mean by Realtime friendly. Do you mean the agents
 you had defined using AgentCallbackLogin() were in a Realtime-managed
 database and not in agents.conf? If so, then the AEL example for
 replacing AgentCallbackLogin would need to use the existing dialplan
 applications/functions for querying the Realtime database to determine
 if the agent number being supplied is a valid agent, and extract what
 their password is.

   
Right I am just saying that I can't use AEL in the DB.
My dialplan is in the DB, not the agents.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-13 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Anthony Francis wrote:

 Right I am just saying that I can't use AEL in the DB.
 My dialplan is in the DB, not the agents.

It shouldn't be that hard to translate the AEL example into traditional
dialplan language; in fact, Asterisk does that itself when you load the
AEL into memory, so if you load it yourself and then do a 'dialplan
show' you'll see the translated version, which you can then copy into
your database.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-13 Thread Anthony Francis


Kevin P. Fleming wrote:
 Anthony Francis wrote:

   
 Right I am just saying that I can't use AEL in the DB.
 My dialplan is in the DB, not the agents.
 

 It shouldn't be that hard to translate the AEL example into traditional
 dialplan language; in fact, Asterisk does that itself when you load the
 AEL into memory, so if you load it yourself and then do a 'dialplan
 show' you'll see the translated version, which you can then copy into
 your database.

   

Ok, I don't ever use AEL. Therefore I would not have known that.
Thank you.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-13 Thread Paul Hales
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 12:01 -0700, Kevin P. Fleming wrote:
 Paul Hales wrote:
 
  It means that you end up reporting on SIP extensions, rather than agents
  which doesn't work so well for call centres where people change desks or
  have different staff using phones between shifts.
 
 This has already been discussed multiple times on this list, and has not
 been true since revision 43316 on Sept. 20 of 2006 (i.e. since before
 Asterisk 1.4.0 was released).
 
 AddQueueMember has a 'membername' argument that can be used to provide a
 logical member name for any interface you add as a queue member, and if
 provided this member name is used in the queue_log instead of the actual
 interface name.
 

I stand corrected - when I keyed AddQueueMember onto our in-house
production server (1.2.23) I did not see that option. But on my test
environment on my laptop (1.4.10) it's there looking back at me.

Kind regards,

Paul Hales
AsteriskIT



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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-13 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Paul Hales wrote:

 I stand corrected - when I keyed AddQueueMember onto our in-house
 production server (1.2.23) I did not see that option. But on my test
 environment on my laptop (1.4.10) it's there looking back at me.

That is correct, we added it in 1.4 specifically because it was
necessary to allow AddQueueMember to be used to replace
AgentCallbackLogin :-)

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[asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-12 Thread Anthony Francis
Awhile back I had heard some talk, in this list I believe that Agent 
callback login was going to be deprecated in 1.4, I see it is still 
there. Does anyone know what is happening with this?

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-12 Thread Matt Riddell
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Anthony Francis wrote:
 Awhile back I had heard some talk, in this list I believe that Agent 
 callback login was going to be deprecated in 1.4, I see it is still 
 there. Does anyone know what is happening with this?

It has been deprecated and use of it is not recommended.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-12 Thread Ryan Stark
I tried to use it back in 1.4.6 or so and it is horribly broken, I ended up
rewriting the functionality with dynamic queue members in the dial plan.  I
really liked the call back agent feature set. I found it to be far superior
to dynamic queue member alternative.

-Ryan

On 9/12/07, Anthony Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Awhile back I had heard some talk, in this list I believe that Agent
 callback login was going to be deprecated in 1.4, I see it is still
 there. Does anyone know what is happening with this?

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 Rockynet VOIP
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-12 Thread Paul Hales

It's a great feature, and one hopes it will return one day.

PaulH


On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 19:01 -0700, Ryan Stark wrote:
 I tried to use it back in 1.4.6 or so and it is horribly broken, I
 ended up rewriting the functionality with dynamic queue members in the
 dial plan.  I really liked the call back agent feature set. I found it
 to be far superior to dynamic queue member alternative. 
 
 -Ryan
 
 On 9/12/07, Anthony Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Awhile back I had heard some talk, in this list I believe that
 Agent
 callback login was going to be deprecated in 1.4, I see it is
 still
 there. Does anyone know what is happening with this?
 
 --
 Thank you and have a wonderful day, 
 
 Anthony Francis
 Rockynet VOIP
 (303) 444-7052 opt 2
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-12 Thread Matt Riddell
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Paul Hales wrote:
 It's a great feature, and one hopes it will return one day.
 
 PaulH
 
 
 On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 19:01 -0700, Ryan Stark wrote:
 I tried to use it back in 1.4.6 or so and it is horribly broken, I
 ended up rewriting the functionality with dynamic queue members in the
 dial plan.  I really liked the call back agent feature set. I found it
 to be far superior to dynamic queue member alternative. 

As the previous mail noted, it can be recreated with dynamic queue
members and so is unlikely to make a return.

The only problem is that the example for how to do this is written in
AEL, and that may be more than first time users can get their head around.

I tried to find the link, but can't - maybe someone else can help with that.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-12 Thread Anthony Francis


Matt Riddell wrote:
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 Paul Hales wrote:
   
 It's a great feature, and one hopes it will return one day.

 PaulH


 On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 19:01 -0700, Ryan Stark wrote:
 
 I tried to use it back in 1.4.6 or so and it is horribly broken, I
 ended up rewriting the functionality with dynamic queue members in the
 dial plan.  I really liked the call back agent feature set. I found it
 to be far superior to dynamic queue member alternative. 
   

 As the previous mail noted, it can be recreated with dynamic queue
 members and so is unlikely to make a return.

 The only problem is that the example for how to do this is written in
 AEL, and that may be more than first time users can get their head around.

 I tried to find the link, but can't - maybe someone else can help with that.

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 Kind Regards,

 Matt Riddell
 Director
   
Not only that but AEL doesnt mesh with realtime.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-12 Thread Paul Hales
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 15:23 +1200, Matt Riddell wrote:
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 Paul Hales wrote:
  It's a great feature, and one hopes it will return one day.
  
  PaulH
  
  
  On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 19:01 -0700, Ryan Stark wrote:
  I tried to use it back in 1.4.6 or so and it is horribly broken, I
  ended up rewriting the functionality with dynamic queue members in the
  dial plan.  I really liked the call back agent feature set. I found it
  to be far superior to dynamic queue member alternative. 
 
 As the previous mail noted, it can be recreated with dynamic queue
 members and so is unlikely to make a return.
 
 The only problem is that the example for how to do this is written in
 AEL, and that may be more than first time users can get their head around.
 
 I tried to find the link, but can't - maybe someone else can help with that.
 
 - --

I have written stuff using the addqueuemember, but you lose agent level
functionality and reporting. :(

PaulH



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Re: [asterisk-users] Agent Callback Login in 1.4

2007-09-12 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Paul Hales wrote:

 I have written stuff using the addqueuemember, but you lose agent level
 functionality and reporting. :(

Can you describe exactly what you lose by using the dynamic queue member
alternative? We tried to ensure that no functionality was lost in this
transition, so if there is something that was missed please let us know
what it is and we'll try to take care of it.

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