[asterisk-users] B410P and echo

2007-08-23 Thread Stefano Arata
Hi, 

Where can I find some tools, such as ztmonitor for zaptel devices, to adjust
rxgain and txgain correctly on this card?
I've some troubles with finding the optimal configuration for the
echocancellator.


Thanks in advance,

Stefano Arata


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Re: [asterisk-users] b410p + fax (echo cancellation)

2007-02-23 Thread Zoilo Gomez

I really don't get it 

From several emails in this list archive, I had clearly understood that 
it is important to switch Echo Cancellation off for fax-channels, or 
faxing would not work properly.


However, faxing (B410P ISDN bridged to TE410P PSTN) seems to work fine 
with EC at 256 taps on the B410P.


I am confused; can anyone enlighten me?

Thank you!

Z.

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Zoilo Gomez wrote:
We have recently purchased a B410P Digium 4* ISDN-2 card with hardware 
EC.


On the same server, I also have a regular Digium 4-channel PSTN-card 
(TDM410P ?), used to interface to some analog devices, a.o. 2 fax 
machines.


For faxing, EC needs to be off (or so I understand from the archives).

How can I switch EC off for an ISDN B-channel if a fax is coming in?

Z.

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Re: [asterisk-users] b410p + fax (echo cancellation)

2007-02-23 Thread Lee Howard

Zoilo Gomez wrote:


I really don't get it 

From several emails in this list archive, I had clearly understood 
that it is important to switch Echo Cancellation off for fax-channels, 
or faxing would not work properly.


However, faxing (B410P ISDN bridged to TE410P PSTN) seems to work fine 
with EC at 256 taps on the B410P.


I am confused; can anyone enlighten me?



Echo cancellation does not necessarily break faxing.  However, depending 
upon how it is implemented it can.


In general fax does not care about echo (as long as it is, indeed, more 
of a sidetone than an actual echo), and so it's generally good advice to 
tell people to disable echo cancellation on ATAs and other things when 
faxing is being used on them simply as a preventative measure.


Lee.
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Re: [asterisk-users] b410p + fax (echo cancellation)

2007-02-23 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On Friday 23 February 2007 8:35 pm, Zoilo Gomez wrote:
 However, faxing (B410P ISDN bridged to TE410P PSTN) seems to work fine
 with EC at 256 taps on the B410P.

Generally speaking all modems (this includes POS machines and faxes) emit a 
tone which echo cancellers recognize and disable themselves for that call.

-A.
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Re: [asterisk-users] b410p + fax (echo cancellation)

2007-02-23 Thread Steve Underwood

Zoilo Gomez wrote:

I really don't get it 

From several emails in this list archive, I had clearly understood 
that it is important to switch Echo Cancellation off for fax-channels, 
or faxing would not work properly.


However, faxing (B410P ISDN bridged to TE410P PSTN) seems to work fine 
with EC at 256 taps on the B410P.


I am confused; can anyone enlighten me?

With EC on, modems might work, or they might not.

If you have little or no echo, the EC actually does very little, so it 
won't significantly affect the one way at a time modems used for faxing.


If you have a lot of echo, then having the EC switched on will degrade 
the modem signal. Things might still work, as a modem adapts itself to 
line conditions. You probably get more bit errors, but the fax will 
still get through. However, it doesn't take too much echo before the 
modems are pushed beyond the limits of what they can compensate for, and 
the receive side cannot extract the bit stream at all.


So, the bottom line is it is not black and white, but EC off is more 
reliable.


Regards,
Steve
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[asterisk-users] b410p + fax (echo cancellation)

2007-02-22 Thread Zoilo Gomez

We have recently purchased a B410P Digium 4* ISDN-2 card with hardware EC.

On the same server, I also have a regular Digium 4-channel PSTN-card 
(TDM410P ?), used to interface to some analog devices, a.o. 2 fax machines.


For faxing, EC needs to be off (or so I understand from the archives).

How can I switch EC off for an ISDN B-channel if a fax is coming in?

Z.

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