Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
I would be curious to know where, in this classification, fall various telemarketing schemes that are technically not cold-calls, but are generated from leads that come from customer-provided information, but where the customer does not know explicitly that they are signing up to receive calls. For instance, this is common in a number of industries such as financial services. You do a search to get a quote on something, and provide your phone number in the process, although the phone number bears no relation to the submission and is just an ancillary required item. Several places' telemarketing organisations call you back in response. For example, lendingtree.com. Is this a solicited call? Michael Collins wrote: Gives us legitimate telemarketers a bad damn name. :-) Isn't legitimate telemarketers an oxymoron? -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 02:15:58AM -0400, Alex Balashov wrote: I would be curious to know where, in this classification, fall various telemarketing schemes that are technically not cold-calls, but are generated from leads that come from customer-provided information, but where the customer does not know explicitly that they are signing up to receive calls. For instance, this is common in a number of industries such as financial services. You do a search to get a quote on something, and provide your phone number in the process, although the phone number bears no relation to the submission and is just an ancillary required item. Several places' telemarketing organisations call you back in response. For example, lendingtree.com. Is this a solicited call? In order to classify that as a solicited call, I believe, you have to have language *on the form the customer fills out* that says they're authorizing you to call, and you have to be able to produce ink-on-paper if the FTC ever calls you on it. IANAL. YMMV. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 02:15:58AM -0400, Alex Balashov wrote: I would be curious to know where, in this classification, fall various telemarketing schemes that are technically not cold-calls, but are generated from leads that come from customer-provided information, but where the customer does not know explicitly that they are signing up to receive calls. For instance, this is common in a number of industries such as financial services. You do a search to get a quote on something, and provide your phone number in the process, although the phone number bears no relation to the submission and is just an ancillary required item. Several places' telemarketing organisations call you back in response. For example, lendingtree.com. Is this a solicited call? In order to classify that as a solicited call, I believe, you have to have language *on the form the customer fills out* that says they're authorizing you to call, and you have to be able to produce ink-on-paper if the FTC ever calls you on it. IANAL. YMMV. Cheers, -- jra Actually in the US all you have to do is provide some proof of a business relationship with them. Companes get away with calling you if you have ever bought even one item from them. -- Thank you and have any kind of day you want, Anthony Francis ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:44:50AM -0600, Anthony Francis wrote: Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 02:15:58AM -0400, Alex Balashov wrote: I would be curious to know where, in this classification, fall various telemarketing schemes that are technically not cold-calls, but are generated from leads that come from customer-provided information, but where the customer does not know explicitly that they are signing up to receive calls. For instance, this is common in a number of industries such as financial services. You do a search to get a quote on something, and provide your phone number in the process, although the phone number bears no relation to the submission and is just an ancillary required item. Several places' telemarketing organisations call you back in response. For example, lendingtree.com. Is this a solicited call? In order to classify that as a solicited call, I believe, you have to have language *on the form the customer fills out* that says they're authorizing you to call, and you have to be able to produce ink-on-paper if the FTC ever calls you on it. IANAL. YMMV. Actually in the US all you have to do is provide some proof of a business relationship with them. Companes get away with calling you if you have ever bought even one item from them. Which doesn't actually speak to the situation about which Alex asked, and I posited. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
Anthony Francis wrote: Actually in the US all you have to do is provide some proof of a business relationship with them. Companes get away with calling you if you have ever bought even one item from them. So, what if you never bought anything, but ended up as a lead in their system through some voluntary action? -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
Not to sound arrogant but the law is one thing and enforcement is another, these types of calls have been illegal for a long time and 9 times out of 10 the only penalty one receives is a civil suit by some back yard attorney looking for a couple thousand bucks. Unless that is you are a serious violator and then that's a different story. Cases I have ever read about are from yahoos that cant maintain a do not call list or don't even bother to try. My 2 cents Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:23 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel Anthony Francis wrote: Actually in the US all you have to do is provide some proof of a business relationship with them. Companes get away with calling you if you have ever bought even one item from them. So, what if you never bought anything, but ended up as a lead in their system through some voluntary action? -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/19/2229245from=rss Any comments? Cheers, Dean ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/19/2229245from=rss Any comments? Cheers, Dean I hate those calls and have been getting them more and more. It sounds like there will be no enforcement until early next year, but good riddance. The worst one is a company that sells extended vehicle warranties. I get them on my cell phone and all of my toll frees. If I wait to get someone on the phone to ask to be removed, they immediately hangup, not saying a word. With any luck that will stop. I wish this also applied to political calls too. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/19/2229245from=rss Any comments? Cheers, Dean I hate those calls and have been getting them more and more. It sounds like there will be no enforcement until early next year, but good riddance. The worst one is a company that sells extended vehicle warranties. I get them on my cell phone and all of my toll frees. If I wait to get someone on the phone to ask to be removed, they immediately hangup, not saying a word. With any luck that will stop. I wish this also applied to political calls too. Thanks, Steve Totaro I assume it will be more blocked/forged CID or harder to conceal companies. You'll end up having to go through the entire menus and ordering just to find out the company to enforce it. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 09:38:48AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: The worst one is a company that sells extended vehicle warranties. I get them on my cell phone and all of my toll frees. If I wait to get someone on the phone to ask to be removed, they immediately hangup, not saying a word. With any luck that will stop. I told them: if you can continue the manufacturer's warranty on my 21 year old BMW, you bring that right on. I also told them that I'd already asked to be put on their DNC list, both manually and automatically, and had gotten a 4th call. I haven't gotten a fifth. Their CNID was bogus, too. Gives us legitimate telemarketers a bad damn name. :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
Gives us legitimate telemarketers a bad damn name. :-) Isn't legitimate telemarketers an oxymoron? -MC ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 03:32:02PM -0700, Michael Collins wrote: Gives us legitimate telemarketers a bad damn name. :-) Isn't legitimate telemarketers an oxymoron? I don't think so, no. We do B-to-B only, and the FTC apparently thinks that's sufficiently less intrusive that the TSR's exempt us. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
