Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then check out Hylafax and IAXmodem. Hylafax has alot of client apps too. As I said before, it is CPU intensive, so you may need separate machines to handle fax. A direct crossover cable for network is the best to eliminate any latency. If you run iaxmodem on the Asterisk server, you can use something like termnetd to provide a virtual serial port to Hylafax over the network. Then latency, jitter, and packet loss becomes much less of a problem. Now, what's the story on Hylafax+? How is that different from Hylafax? /Benny ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Benny Amorsen wrote: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then check out Hylafax and IAXmodem. Hylafax has alot of client apps too. As I said before, it is CPU intensive, so you may need separate machines to handle fax. A direct crossover cable for network is the best to eliminate any latency. If you run iaxmodem on the Asterisk server, you can use something like termnetd to provide a virtual serial port to Hylafax over the network. Then latency, jitter, and packet loss becomes much less of a problem. Something that's always confused me - IAXmodem is built on spandsp. RxFAX is also built on spandsp. RxFAX gets one step closer to the data stream (no copper/IP in the way), so why are people using ( suggesting) Hylafax over RxFAX? (and I'm just talking about receiving faxes here - Can see where there's a case for using something clever to send faxes, but I've yet to have any clients who don't have a traditional FAX machine - the paper-less office is still 20 years away ;-) Now it may be that the post fax reception processing is cpu intensive (converting it to a TIFF/PDF, storing it, emailling it, etc.), but I've not actually had any issues with this - although admittedly, I'm only dealing with 1 or 2 fax receptors per site. Just thinking out loud really... Gordon ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
2008/5/22 Gordon Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Thu, 22 May 2008, Benny Amorsen wrote: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then check out Hylafax and IAXmodem. Hylafax has alot of client apps too. As I said before, it is CPU intensive, so you may need separate machines to handle fax. A direct crossover cable for network is the best to eliminate any latency. If you run iaxmodem on the Asterisk server, you can use something like termnetd to provide a virtual serial port to Hylafax over the network. Then latency, jitter, and packet loss becomes much less of a problem. Something that's always confused me - IAXmodem is built on spandsp. RxFAX is also built on spandsp. RxFAX gets one step closer to the data stream (no copper/IP in the way), so why are people using ( suggesting) Hylafax over RxFAX? I would say to store incoming faxes ... ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
Benny Amorsen wrote: Now, what's the story on Hylafax+? How is that different from Hylafax? See: http://hylafax.sourceforge.net/about.php Thanks, Lee. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
Gordon Henderson wrote: Something that's always confused me - IAXmodem is built on spandsp. RxFAX is also built on spandsp. RxFAX gets one step closer to the data stream (no copper/IP in the way), so why are people using ( suggesting) Hylafax over RxFAX? spandsp includes a lot of stuff. In spandsp there are the fax modems: V.21, V.27ter, V.29, and V.17. There is also a Class 1/1.0 DCE interface (T.31). There is also a T.30 (fax protocol) driver. There is also a T.38 driver in there. There is other stuff there, too. IAXmodem uses the fax modems and the T.31 DCE... its main purpose being to function with other applications that have their own Class 1 T.30 drivers such as HylaFAX. RxFAX (and TxFAX) also uses the fax modems, but doesn't use the T.31 DCE, but instead uses the T.30 driver. So the difference underneath the hood really has to do with where the fax protocol engine/driver is. When using IAXmodem the protocol is done by HylaFAX. When using RxFAX/TxFAX the protocol is done within spandsp. Thanks, Lee. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
Gordon Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: RxFAX gets one step closer to the data stream (no copper/IP in the way), so why are people using ( suggesting) Hylafax over RxFAX? When we piloted our deployment, rxfax didn't manage to receive faxes correctly as often as Hylafax did. We never found out why; we simply picked Hylafax. /Benny ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
The Hylafax / Iaxmodem is a good, reliable combination. I have work with a company that competes with eFax using the Hylafax / Iaxmodem combination for termination and also soon for origination. Craig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2008 10:55 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Sanjay Rajdev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We would like to do something similar to efax, where we can send mail to send fax or something similar. I tried to install Asterisk Fax http://asterfax.sourceforge.net/ but was not able to compile it with Asterisk 1.4.19.2, I have read that they recommend Asterisk 1.2.X and older version of SpanDSP. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev Then check out Hylafax and IAXmodem. Hylafax has alot of client apps too. As I said before, it is CPU intensive, so you may need separate machines to handle fax. A direct crossover cable for network is the best to eliminate any latency. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
Not necessarily - if you set your iaxmodems to only produce G4 encoded tiffs you can then use something like c42pdf http://c42pdf.ffii.org/ which essentially copies the tiff image data into a pdf container. Lightning fast, quality is preserved, very little memory usage and very little cpu. I believe that the tiff2pdf binary in later versions of libtiff does a similar thing. Craig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2008 12:03 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Lee Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Totaro wrote: You may need an additional server just to handle faxes if you are running many instances as they are CPU intensive. iaxmodem is not CPU intensive. 100 of them aren't. You can put that many on a typical modern machine and have them all faxing simultaneously and not see a dent in CPU due to iaxmodem. Lee. Hylafax. Iaxmodem doesn't do much good by itself. Thanks, Steve Totaro Probably has more to do with PDFs than tiffs too. I always go with PDF. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
We are using Asterisk 1.4.13 on FC6 and have a T1 card with 20 DID's. We are wanting to use one of the DID's for Fax, is this possible or do we have to add some addition Hardware and what is the best way to do this. I know that similar thing would have been asked multiple time already, but I was not able to find anything that could answer my questions. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
Sanjay Rajdev wrote: We are using Asterisk 1.4.13 on FC6 and have a T1 card with 20 DID's. We are wanting to use one of the DID's for Fax, is this possible or do we have to add some addition Hardware and what is the best way to do this. http://iaxmodem.sourceforge.net Thanks, Lee. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Lee Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sanjay Rajdev wrote: We are using Asterisk 1.4.13 on FC6 and have a T1 card with 20 DID's. We are wanting to use one of the DID's for Fax, is this possible or do we have to add some addition Hardware and what is the best way to do this. http://iaxmodem.sourceforge.net Thanks, Lee. It depends on the amount of faxes and desired capabilities. If you just want a standalone fax, you could get an FXS card (in the same box) and bridge the faxes to that. It has worked quite well for me with a bit of tweaking, echocancelwhenbridged=no helps. Another option that works very well for high density, real fax machines is taking another T1 port and attaching it to a channel bank. Third option, hylafax and iaxmodem. This works pretty well since you are using a T for your inbound fax. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
How about outbound faxing. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev - Original Message - From: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:04:46 PM GMT +05:30 Chennai, Kolkata, Mumbai, New Delhi Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Lee Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sanjay Rajdev wrote: We are using Asterisk 1.4.13 on FC6 and have a T1 card with 20 DID's. We are wanting to use one of the DID's for Fax, is this possible or do we have to add some addition Hardware and what is the best way to do this. http://iaxmodem.sourceforge.net Thanks, Lee. It depends on the amount of faxes and desired capabilities. If you just want a standalone fax, you could get an FXS card (in the same box) and bridge the faxes to that. It has worked quite well for me with a bit of tweaking, echocancelwhenbridged=no helps. Another option that works very well for high density, real fax machines is taking another T1 port and attaching it to a channel bank. Third option, hylafax and iaxmodem. This works pretty well since you are using a T for your inbound fax. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Sanjay Rajdev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about outbound faxing. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev How about it? Describe your needs. There are different ways of doing the same thing, it all depends on needs. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
We would like to do something similar to efax, where we can send mail to send fax or something similar. I tried to install Asterisk Fax http://asterfax.sourceforge.net/ but was not able to compile it with Asterisk 1.4.19.2, I have read that they recommend Asterisk 1.2.X and older version of SpanDSP. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev - Original Message - From: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:12:20 PM GMT +05:30 Chennai, Kolkata, Mumbai, New Delhi Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Sanjay Rajdev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about outbound faxing. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev How about it? Describe your needs. There are different ways of doing the same thing, it all depends on needs. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
On May 21, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Sanjay Rajdev wrote: We are using Asterisk 1.4.13 on FC6 and have a T1 card with 20 DID's. We are wanting to use one of the DID's for Fax, is this possible or do we have to add some addition Hardware and what is the best way to do this. I know that similar thing would have been asked multiple time already, but I was not able to find anything that could answer my questions. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev I have 3 running installations of Asterisk using IAXmodem and Hylafax. Very very reliable, no additional hardware required. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+IAXmodem http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Hylafax Niles ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Niles Ingalls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 21, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Sanjay Rajdev wrote: We are using Asterisk 1.4.13 on FC6 and have a T1 card with 20 DID's. We are wanting to use one of the DID's for Fax, is this possible or do we have to add some addition Hardware and what is the best way to do this. I know that similar thing would have been asked multiple time already, but I was not able to find anything that could answer my questions. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev I have 3 running installations of Asterisk using IAXmodem and Hylafax. Very very reliable, no additional hardware required. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+IAXmodem http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Hylafax Niles Again, that is going to depend on usage. You may need an additional server just to handle faxes if you are running many instances as they are CPU intensive. If you already have a bunch of single line manual fax machines, then a T card and a channel bank are the way to go. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
Further more I think we will have to license it to for using it on more than one channel. I am looking for something totally open source. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev - Original Message - From: Sanjay Rajdev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Cc: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:21:38 PM GMT +05:30 Chennai, Kolkata, Mumbai, New Delhi Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk We would like to do something similar to efax, where we can send mail to send fax or something similar. I tried to install Asterisk Fax http://asterfax.sourceforge.net/ but was not able to compile it with Asterisk 1.4.19.2, I have read that they recommend Asterisk 1.2.X and older version of SpanDSP. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev - Original Message - From: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:12:20 PM GMT +05:30 Chennai, Kolkata, Mumbai, New Delhi Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Sanjay Rajdev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about outbound faxing. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev How about it? Describe your needs. There are different ways of doing the same thing, it all depends on needs. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Sanjay Rajdev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We would like to do something similar to efax, where we can send mail to send fax or something similar. I tried to install Asterisk Fax http://asterfax.sourceforge.net/ but was not able to compile it with Asterisk 1.4.19.2, I have read that they recommend Asterisk 1.2.X and older version of SpanDSP. Regards, Sanjay Rajdev Then check out Hylafax and IAXmodem. Hylafax has alot of client apps too. As I said before, it is CPU intensive, so you may need separate machines to handle fax. A direct crossover cable for network is the best to eliminate any latency. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
Steve Totaro wrote: You may need an additional server just to handle faxes if you are running many instances as they are CPU intensive. iaxmodem is not CPU intensive. 100 of them aren't. You can put that many on a typical modern machine and have them all faxing simultaneously and not see a dent in CPU due to iaxmodem. Lee. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Lee Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Totaro wrote: You may need an additional server just to handle faxes if you are running many instances as they are CPU intensive. iaxmodem is not CPU intensive. 100 of them aren't. You can put that many on a typical modern machine and have them all faxing simultaneously and not see a dent in CPU due to iaxmodem. Lee. Hylafax. Iaxmodem doesn't do much good by itself. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax solution for Asterisk
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Lee Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Totaro wrote: You may need an additional server just to handle faxes if you are running many instances as they are CPU intensive. iaxmodem is not CPU intensive. 100 of them aren't. You can put that many on a typical modern machine and have them all faxing simultaneously and not see a dent in CPU due to iaxmodem. Lee. Hylafax. Iaxmodem doesn't do much good by itself. Thanks, Steve Totaro Probably has more to do with PDFs than tiffs too. I always go with PDF. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
